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Relentlessboredomm posted:
Ben Johnson already turned down the panthers OC position.
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remember when Frank Reich was the hot upcoming offensive candidate
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Relentlessboredomm posted:So then, Panthers are hiring a new HC and you’re hooting and hollering for Steve Wilks? gently caress Ben Johnson, or any of these other younger offensive dudes, get me Steve Wilks. That’s you? I'm sure you didn't intend it to come off as snippy (maybe you did  ), but I suppose so, yeah.What Benne said is probably where I land, in that there isn't any one specific archetype of coach that is always going to be successful. Offensive wunderkinds are vogue right now, but just because they can scheme the gently caress out of an offense doesn't automatically mean they can command a locker room and deal with all of the poo poo HCs have to deal with any better than a DC or ST coordinator can. Dan Campbell is a great example. He got an opportunity to be interim for an awful Dolphins team, ate poo poo, and had to go back to being a coordinator for years before he got the Lions job. He wasn't a hotshot coordinator like a lot of guys are, and by the letter of the law you could call him a retread, but he's rewarding the Lions faith. I'm not going to poo poo on anyone looking to Ben Johnson or Eric Bienemy for their vacancy, I was just saying that I wouldn't have any issue with someone who is a DC and could be considered a retread like Wilks.
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Oct 17, 2023 00:56
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ozymandius1024 posted:Dan Campbell is a great example. He got an opportunity to be interim for an awful Dolphins team, ate poo poo, and had to go back to being a coordinator for years before he got the Lions job. He wasn't a hotshot coordinator like a lot of guys are, and by the letter of the law you could call him a retread, but he's rewarding the Lions faith. Campbell was never a coordinator at all, he was a TE coach and in NO he had an assistant Head Coach title, which basically meant Payton liked him a lot and mentored him. I wouldn’t really call him a retread, interims are just there to go down with the ship.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:So then, Panthers are hiring a new HC and you’re hooting and hollering for Steve Wilks? gently caress Ben Johnson, or any of these other younger offensive dudes, get me Steve Wilks. That’s you? I think your hands have been possessed by the ghost of Colin Cowherd, friend
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Genuine question. Does anyone want a defensive HC in the modern NFL? Like are any of ya’ll chomping at the bit to hire Evero or idk who else is a hot young DC? Give me Capers and give me death.
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Oct 17, 2023 01:31
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Benne posted:I'm sorry that I don't have a more interesting answer to this. A lot of the most important things that make a good head coach -- building a culture, hiring a great staff, getting player buy-in, carrying himself professionally as the public face of the team -- have nothing to do with whether he's an offensive or defensive guy. The CEO type is interesting bc it doesn’t seem like something you can tell on the first hire? Like first time HCs are rarely trying to do the CEO type approach at first, maybe Daboll went the CEO route but I’m struggling to come up with other examples for first time HCs. Then you always have the risk they go the opposite direction like McCarthy who went from CEO last year to calling the plays this year. Largely agreed on the CEO thing though, it does seem more stable if nothing else. I don’t know that Bill, even young Bill, would be that successful in the modern NFL though. That’s sort of my personal thought process in general. The rules have changed a lot and more importantly, to my mind, is an HC needs to have an aggressive mindset and that’s incredibly rare for defensive guys. FizFashizzle posted:Ben Johnson already turned down the panthers OC position. HC or OC? Wait he did turn down HC, you’re right. Well drat. ozymandius1024 posted:I'm sure you didn't intend it to come off as snippy (maybe you did Less snippy and more the idea of being pumped about a dude as unflappable and sort of bland seeming as Wilks is very funny to me. Fair enough though. Nervous posted:Give me Capers and give me death. Hell yea, someone gets it
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I still think it's weird Rich Bisaccia never got a look anywhere after being extremely well received as interim coach for the Raiders and getting promoted to assistant head coach after only one year with the Packers.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:13
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Reich is pushing the narrative that he was always planning to hand over play calling duties at some point this year. Whether that's true or not I don't know but it would kind of make some sense to ease a guy into it? Either way the change from a power running team to a zone blocking one when you're buying a back who came from Philly and the lines built big and strong but not particularly mobile seems dumb as poo poo.
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Oct 17, 2023 04:29
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Fi re Sta ley 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
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I was about to say , would it be a stretch that Staley's chair is getting warm? Dude's a goddamn joke
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Shindragon posted:I was about to say , would it be a stretch that Staley's chair is getting warm? Dude's a goddamn joke It's burning hot. He didn't even do anything that egregious today. The 4th down calls were all good. The players just didn't execute today. Herbert was missing on wide open passes. Derwin himself had two really goddamn stupid personal foul penalties. Dallas was stopped on 3rd and 19 and the defense commits TWO holding calls deep in the secondary. The buck obviously stops with the coach but the players need to control what they can control.
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Oct 17, 2023 04:50
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I feel like Staley should’ve been fired last year and they just thought they’d run it back anyway.
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Shindragon posted:I was about to say , would it be a stretch that Staley's chair is getting warm? Dude's a goddamn joke I'm going with Ross' earlier statement that he'll make it through the season but there's a timer is ticking on the rocket strapped to his chair
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Oct 17, 2023 04:52
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Ches Neckbeard posted:I'm going with Ross' earlier statement that he'll make it through the season but there's a timer is ticking on the rocket strapped to his chair The only reason I say this is because the Spanoses are so cheap and won't pay a coach not to coach.
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Oct 17, 2023 04:53
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Thought I remembered you saying that but couldn't remember exactly. The opposite of a Haslam
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get this drat eberflus off my tv and out of my city!!!!!!
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Also it won't matter who the Chargers hire next. It could be Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Reid, literally anyone you can think of. This type of bullshit will still happen because Chargers.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I still think it's weird Rich Bisaccia never got a look anywhere after being extremely well received as interim coach for the Raiders and getting promoted to assistant head coach after only one year with the Packers. Same, he got that mediocre raiders team to the playoffs as an interim coach (in part because of singed-butt Staley but) after they had to deal with a lotta poo poo, and then back to STC? It’s weird—maybe he just didn’t want the pressure/responsibility
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Colts and I'm pretty sure the Raiders interviewed Bisaccia
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s a Sean Payton team now, they’ll just renegotiate his contract to lower the 2025 cap hit in exchange for paying him 10 million a year until 2035. I feel like it's a little bold to assume Payton will be there in 2024 as well
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SpaceDrake posted:I feel like it's a little bold to assume Payton will be there in 2024 as well Unless Sean organizes a unionization movement at a Wal-Mart, he'll be back for Year 2 at minimum.
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kalensc posted:Unless Sean organizes a unionization movement at a Wal-Mart, he'll be back for Year 2 at minimum. I think he stays but can definitely see him re-retiring. He thought he was getting an easy ride with Russ, neither he nor the team are making it easy on him, and the question of if he'll want to be around for a rebuild not only will be present, it will make him think back to how good he had it on Fox and chilling on couches not worrying about this poo poo except maybe as a fan He left the league as a winner and took a big payday return because he thought he could add to that,  if you don't think it can very easily go south from here for his legacy if he chooses to stay long-term (regardless of if he'll be allowed to). If he's not aware of that by now, 5 more losses (ensuring his worst record ever) oughta get him there
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Gotta think Sean leaving would probably be all she write for Russ. I mean I guess he’ll bounce around for a while and probably end up on the panthers or browns or something but I don’t think we’re ever getting RWBS again
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I feel like Staley should’ve been fired last year and they just thought they’d run it back anyway. It's incredible that he survived what happened in the playoffs last year.
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FizFashizzle posted:Gotta think Sean leaving would probably be all she write for Russ. As a backup, if he's willing, maybe. I don't think anyone in the league believes he can be even a league average starter anymore.
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fsif posted:As a backup, if he's willing, maybe. I don't think anyone in the league believes he can be even a league average starter anymore. i'd say there are teams he could definitely make better, but even without his current deal it's hard to see one of those teams taking that marginal upgrade at the position rather than looking to the future and trying to draft high
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Oct 17, 2023 14:31
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It isn't terribly surprising that Staley survived the playoff meltdown last year, if you know how the Spanoses operate. They're just aggressively cheap when it comes to paying for coaches and the training staff, year after year. The last time they paid top dollar for a head coach was Marty, and Dean was sore for years about having to pay him to stay home after he was shitcanned following 2006. Almost every coach they've had since Marty was A) a first time HC and B) came way cheaper than most of the other available ones on the market. The exception to this is Norv, who was a two time retread who they were stuck with, because they fired Marty so late in the offseason and after the coaching staff was raided to go work elsewhere. Even then, Norv was IIRC one of the least well paid HCs in the league when he was with the Chargers.
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R.D. Mangles posted:get this drat eberflus off my tv and out of my city!!!!!! Hope you like waiting until January for this to happen.
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Durandal1707 posted:It isn't terribly surprising that Staley survived the playoff meltdown last year, if you know how the Spanoses operate. They're just aggressively cheap when it comes to paying for coaches and the training staff, year after year. The last time they paid top dollar for a head coach was Marty, and Dean was sore for years about having to pay him to stay home after he was shitcanned following 2006. Almost every coach they've had since Marty was A) a first time HC and B) came way cheaper than most of the other available ones on the market. The fact that people don't just know this is what makes me realize not everyone cares/pays attention to my dumb team
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Chris James 2 posted:I think he stays but can definitely see him re-retiring. He thought he was getting an easy ride with Russ, neither he nor the team are making it easy on him, and the question of if he'll want to be around for a rebuild not only will be present, it will make him think back to how good he had it on ESPN and chilling on couches not worrying about this poo poo except maybe as a fan I’d be surprised if he retires, his personality is football and drugs and he stopped doing drugs a while ago so football is all he’s got. The fact that he took a job as bad as Denver instead of waiting around for the Chargers or Cowboys to open up is proof that he was bored out of his mind.
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I just wonder if he was willing to stick around for a strip it down to the foundations rebuild, then why didn't he stay and do that in New Orleans? I can see a situation where he doesn't really want to keep coaching this team, and ownership isn't exactly desperate to keep him.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’d be surprised if he retires, his personality is football and drugs and he stopped doing drugs a while ago so football is all he’s got. The fact that he took a job as bad as Denver instead of waiting around for the Chargers or Cowboys to open up is proof that he was bored out of his mind. i'm not sure it disagrees with your larger point, but Denver had to trade for him-- i assume Payton would have had a pretty competitive market had the Saints outright released him from his contract (or however that works with coach contracts)
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Simplex posted:I just wonder if he was willing to stick around for a strip it down to the foundations rebuild, then why didn't he stay and do that in New Orleans? I can see a situation where he doesn't really want to keep coaching this team, and ownership isn't exactly desperate to keep him. I really don’t know, but it’s possible he was just burnt out and needed a break or thought he was ready to retire, then realized retirement is boring as poo poo and talked himself into taking a job he probably shouldn’t have.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I really don’t know, but it’s possible he was just burnt out and needed a break or thought he was ready to retire, then realized retirement is boring as poo poo and talked himself into taking a job he probably shouldn’t have. Dump truck of money sure helps too
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’d be surprised if he retires, his personality is football and drugs and he stopped doing drugs a while ago so football is all he’s got. The fact that he took a job as bad as Denver instead of waiting around for the Chargers or Cowboys to open up is proof that he was bored out of his mind. He saw working with Russ as more appealing, even this version of Russ. He was openly making fun of Hackett's coaching performance with Russ, which makes it even worse that he's doing a worse job of it now, not just that he's doing a worse job than when he was coaching Taysom Hill, Ian Book, and 2021 Jameis If he thought this was going to be easy, he's already wrong; if he thought this was going to be fun, he's already wrong. If this was the price to pay to not be bored, maybe being bored no longer sounds so bad And yeah it is funny that if he'd held out one more year he'd have probably had the Cowboys job (and maybe even higher pay) and certainly better results
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Benne posted:I'm sorry that I don't have a more interesting answer to this. A lot of the most important things that make a good head coach -- building a culture, hiring a great staff, getting player buy-in, carrying himself professionally as the public face of the team -- have nothing to do with whether he's an offensive or defensive guy. Tomlin isn't a CEO type at all, he calls the defense.
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Roasted Donut posted:Tomlin isn't a CEO type at all, he calls the defense. Sure he's a CEO Chief dEfense Officer
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