|
Khanstant posted:Honestly I buy it since he died once from scratch disk errors. And any tech they might've bought for a Doc2or would've been infected with bioneural viruses or kazon bombs or some poo poo. Doc: That's a nasty laceration, ensign. I prescribe plenty of rest and a daily dose of Slug-o-Cola. Slug-o-Cola! The refreshing taste of algae will... Torres: We should not have bought that batch of Ferengi SSDs.
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 18:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 06:01 |
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:It’s crazy that there is never any attempt to supplement their medical staff of The Doctor, Kes (until she leaves) and Paris Then ten episodes later in Living Witness the Doctor has a backup (that got stolen), which apparently never got replaced as Paris was back to playing doctor after the Doctor was stolen by the evil hospital as well as when he was kidnapped a few episodes later by the hologram hating aliens and had to possess Seven.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 18:18
|
|
|
Khanstant posted:Honestly I buy it since he died once from scratch disk errors. And any tech they might've bought for a Doc2or would've been infected with bioneural viruses or kazon bombs or some poo poo.  "The high degree of learning and sophistication of the EMH is enabled by it being run on a specialised bioneural gelpack brain, a technology that (as already mentioned) we on Voyager can't recreate ourselves if anything goes wrong"Just say the living witness people just had really good computers and could run it from an archived memory backup even though Voyager couldn't. Problem handwaved. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Oct 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 18:50
|
|
|
Sash! posted:In retrospect, they should have figured out that Neelix will rapidly run out of knowledge as they get further from his home area, making the core part of the character's origin useless. I mean being the doctor is a lot of training
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 19:29
|
|
|
 Do you ever get dumb thoughts in your head and can't get rid of them?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 20:47
|
|
|
Pwnstar posted:
All the loving time, why do you think I still post on something awful E: good comic obv
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2023 21:41
|
|
|
Taear posted:I mean being the doctor is a lot of training Not that you'd need to train him. He's some doctor guy that you picked up basically the same way you pick up Neelix and he's got the same weirdo medicine style.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 00:37
|
|
|
Journey's End was terrible and the native American stuff (complete with vision quests and trilling flutes on the soundtrack) made me feel a bit uncomfortable. It's one of those annoying ones where the problem is "inevitable death is coming, colonists won't take a loving hint." which is never a good sign. When they mentioned the colonists had only been there 20 years, I threw up my hands and sighed. Most of all, it's just a weary, depressing send off for Wesley, who shows up looking obviously miserable and withdrawn and nobody pays much attention until he starts getting mildly stroppy with Geordi. Then he takes the aforementioned vision quest and decides gently caress Starfleet. To cap it all, the Traveller shows up, stroking his thighs and licking his lips suggestively. And that's it, away Wesley beams, grinning like a newly indoctrinated cult member. Woeful. Firstborn. Er. Yeah. As is the way, another two-fer with similar themes, it's been a while, I suppose this might well be the last. So, another troublesome child of the crew, in this case, Alexander. He's being Alexander. Alexander-ing it up all over the place with his water balloons and complete lack of interest in WICKED SICK Klingon stuff. It tootles along in a fairly mundane way, not really raising the pulse, but not really being that bad. It's just sort of there. The Duras sisters and their horrid titty windows show up. Quark blunders in from that other show and sneers for a bit. Then the big reveal drops about who that mysterious helpful Klingon fella is and it's weird as gently caress. The episode just sputters to a stop. A bit feeble, honestly. God, only a few episodes left, I'm getting depressed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 00:54
|
|
|
It's pretty messed up that the Traveler pretends to be a Native American and teaches Wesley a bunch of lore and rituals he either made up or stole. Wait, is the Traveler Jamake Highwater?
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 01:05
|
|
|
Lord Hydronium posted:It's pretty messed up that the Traveler pretends to be a Native American and teaches Wesley a bunch of lore and rituals he either made up or stole. Possibly! The person the traveler is pretending to be (Tom Jackson) is a legit First Nations actor that was a finalist for Chakotay, even.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 01:09
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:My fanwank is that there's specialised hardware running the EMH that they can't recreate with their resources at hand. (The mobile emitter can do it trivially because 29th century)
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 02:40
|
|
|
Sash! posted:In retrospect, they should have figured out that Neelix will rapidly run out of knowledge as they get further from his home area, making the core part of the character's origin useless. If they'd actually engaged with the premise of Voyager, this should have happened at the latest halfway through season 1, accounting for engine trouble and assuming Neelix originated in the direction they were going. Same with the Kazon, they should not have been able to follow Voyager at all.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 06:01
|
|
|
BonHair posted:If they'd actually engaged with the premise of Voyager, this should have happened at the latest halfway through season 1, accounting for engine trouble and assuming Neelix originated in the direction they were going. Same with the Kazon, they should not have been able to follow Voyager at all. The Kazon were running out of water and they had spaceships. They shouldn't of really been able to get to another planet if there that inept.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 06:50
|
|
|
Water is the third most common molecule in the universe (after molecular hydrogen and carbon monoxide) and can be identified from lightyears away with loving 20th century technology, let alone the magic sensors of Star Trek. The Kazon were a loving joke within minutes of their introduction.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 07:36
|
|
|
8one6 posted:Water is the third most common molecule in the universe (after molecular hydrogen and carbon monoxide) and can be identified from lightyears away with loving 20th century technology, let alone the magic sensors of Star Trek. The Kazon were a loving joke within minutes of their introduction. (They were still a joke, but now a dangerous one.)
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:05
|
|
|
Small Strange Bird posted:Everyone thought the same about the Pakleds, and, well... Pakleds were never a joke, the whole point of their intro episode was that they were playing dumb and got away with everything they attempted. They upgraded their ship by kidnapping Geordi, chief engineer of the Federation's flagship*, and then convinced Picard to just laugh it off. These guys somehow stole the shields off a Romulan warbird, they can't possibly be thst dumb. BonHair posted:If they'd actually engaged with the premise of Voyager, this should have happened at the latest halfway through season 1, accounting for engine trouble and assuming Neelix originated in the direction they were going. Same with the Kazon, they should not have been able to follow Voyager at all. Fans believe that Voyager literally spent 2 years flying around in circles
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:18
|
|
|
Tunicate posted:Pakleds were never a joke, the whole point of their intro episode was that they were playing dumb and got away with everything they attempted. And this is the cause of Lower Decks' one great misfire, treating the Pakleds like morons who fell rear end-backwards into power instead of the clever con artists they are. Their difficulty with language and dumpy appearance just makes them seem like foolish oafs to most other species, and they know it. They trade on it, to great advantage! LD taking that at face value is a huge disappointment considering how hard the series works at examining and deconstructing several other typically one-note minor races.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:27
|
|
|
Tunicate posted:Pakleds were never a joke, the whole point of their intro episode was that they were playing dumb and got away with everything they attempted. They also got defeated by an incredibly obvious scam being set up right unser their noses. The joke with the Pakleds is that they're not quite as stupid as they seem but they are still pretty stupid
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:28
|
|
|
I wonder how DS9 series 7 would have been if they'd made up with Farrell and not changed her out. So many (4, 5?) episodes are dealing with Ezri as a new character and I wonder what they'd have done with that not being a thing any more
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:43
|
|
|
No Dignity posted:They also got defeated by an incredibly obvious scam being set up right unser their noses. The joke with the Pakleds is that they're not quite as stupid as they seem but they are still pretty stupid They weren't defeated, they got away clean with everything they wanted(assuming they recorded all the poo poo geordi was doing to upgrade them.) It's not like they could keep Geordi forever, after all. Pretending they were all awed by the dumb force field thing and returning him is a great way to not go to war with the modt powerful fleet in the quadrant Tunicate fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Oct 19, 2023 |
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:46
|
|
|
Tunicate posted:They weren't defeated, they got away clean with everything they wanted, assuming they recorded all the poo poo geordi was doing to upgrade them. No, they wanted Geordi as their slave and got extremely played by him instead
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:49
|
|
|
Taear posted:I wonder how DS9 series 7 would have been if they'd made up with Farrell and not changed her out. So many (4, 5?) episodes are dealing with Ezri as a new character and I wonder what they'd have done with that not being a thing any more Jadzia gets to shoot the Vulcan. Other than that we'd have probably gotten completely different episodes since they wouldn't have had to introduce a brand new main character at the last minute.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 08:49
|
|
|
8one6 posted:Other than that we'd have probably gotten completely different episodes since they wouldn't have had to introduce a brand new main character at the last minute. I mean yea I get that, I mean where would they have gone? I imagine it COMPLETELY changed, especially now I know how unbelievably randomly they made character choices in the show Dukat kills Kai Wynn instead of Dax when he shoots his wraith at the orb, because she's a known character but not in the main credits
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 09:06
|
|
|
No Dignity posted:No, they wanted Geordi as their slave and got extremely played by him instead Their whole thing is playing dumb when they aren't. Do you really think the conclusion of the episode where they act dumb again and it once more ends up working out in their favor somehow means that they actually are dumb this one time? They managed to steal the shields off a Romulan warbird, and robbed Klingons and multiple other races of similar technology (including the Jarada, who tortured a federation representative to death just for mispronouncing a single syllable), and got away scot free. They literally cannot be that dumb. They just know how to make a quick getaway and let their enemy think he's outwitted them.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 09:11
|
|
|
McSpanky posted:And this is the cause of Lower Decks' one great misfire, treating the Pakleds like morons who fell rear end-backwards into power instead of the clever con artists they are. Their difficulty with language and dumpy appearance just makes them seem like foolish oafs to most other species, and they know it. They trade on it, to great advantage! LD taking that at face value is a huge disappointment considering how hard the series works at examining and deconstructing several other typically one-note minor races.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 09:20
|
|
|
Voyager shipped out of spacedock with a trial EMH license, and got sucked to the Delta quadrant before they started getting popups telling them to upgrade to either a Family or Office license
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 10:28
|
|
|
Sash! posted:In retrospect, they should have figured out that Neelix will rapidly run out of knowledge as they get further from his home area, making the core part of the character's origin useless. There is an actual plot arc for Neelix about just that: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fair_Trade_(episode)
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 10:50
|
|
|
I don't care if LDS is misinterpreting the Pakleds or not because either way it led to the guffaw-out-loud moment of a Pakled pulling out a circular saw and using it to bash open a door
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 14:12
|
|
|
Taear posted:I wonder how DS9 series 7 would have been if they'd made up with Farrell and not changed her out. So many (4, 5?) episodes are dealing with Ezri as a new character and I wonder what they'd have done with that not being a thing any more I like Ezri but the episode where we meet her family is the actual worst DS9 episode so it would have been an improvement
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 15:08
|
|
|
I liked Ezri a whole lot too, the main flaw of her character is that she shouldn't have existed because Jazdia shouldn't have died
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 15:18
|
|
|
Feldegast42 posted:I liked Ezri a whole lot too, the main flaw of her character is that she shouldn't have existed because Jazdia shouldn't have died When rewatching the series a couple of years ago, I thought they did a good job with the poo poo situation that was forced on them by Berman. It wasn’t perfect but Ezri felt like a character (and sometimes felt like more of her own character than Jadzia ever did) and it’s about as good as it was ever going to get considering the circumstances
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 15:28
|
|
|
I wonder how big an apple box they had Nicole de Boer stand on so she could make out with Michael Dorn
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 15:36
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:It wasn’t perfect but Ezri felt like a character (and sometimes felt like more of her own character than Jadzia ever did) This was a big part of why I liked Ezri, too. Jadzia was a young woman and a fairly recent joining, but the "wise, old, experienced mentor" aspect was the story focus a lot more often than those parts of her. We hear that she was a reserved and uncertain person before getting the symbiont, but that just gets lip service; she's fully Jadzia Dax when she steps on set the first time. They overdid it on the "Ezri was a last resort and was not prepared to be joined" theme, but that theme still gave her strong characterization in a direction Jadzia never had.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:01
|
|
|
Ezri and Jadzia have about the same number of character focus episodes, which is a sad lol
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:05
|
|
|
Yeah it was very obvious the writers didn't really know what to do with the character, but for a new character she seemed pretty well rounded and the actor played her well. If she had been introduced a few seasons early it would of been far easier for the writer to actually naturally be able to figure out how she could fit in. They really just shouldn't of tried to replace Jazdia. Well I mean they should never of killed her off in the first place, but once they'd already hosed that up, they shouldn't of tried to replace her. There just wasn't a need for an extra main cast station character at that point in the show.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:05
|
|
|
I think it's good they had more than one woman on the main cast, personally.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:07
|
|
|
I still wonder how it would have changed things had they started DS9 with Curzon Dax, kill him early on (maybe instead of Kai Opaka) and replace him with Jadzia.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:11
|
|
|
No Dignity posted:I think it's good they had more than one woman on the main cast, personally. Hmm True. Maybe add a female Klingon or cardassian to the cast or something? Would of been easier to write them in to the dominion war plot stuff.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:12
|
|
|
Wish it would be easier for you to write "have" instead of "of"
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 06:01 |
|
|
Zaroff posted:I still wonder how it would have changed things had they started DS9 with Curzon Dax, kill him early on (maybe instead of Kai Opaka) and replace him with Jadzia. Or in hindsight, if you know you're going to lose Terry Farrell and you're committed to having two Daxes, move Jadzia's joining back a few years so she's been Dax for 6–7 years before DS9 starts, so that it makes more sense that she's so well-adjusted. Then maybe you kill her off at the start of the Dominion War instead of halfway through, or even during the conflict with the Klingons, so that the contrast between experienced Jadzia Dax and newly-joined Ezri Dax makes more sense, has a lot more time to play out, and gives Ezri's character the opportunity to develop past it and stand on her own. If you have perfect hindsight with those conditions, then gently caress it, do what the books did: make her very suddenly the ranking officer in a military emergency, and have it click for her that, oh, poo poo, joined Ezri Dax may be foundering as a counselor but she's actually a natural at command. Stick her in a red uniform and let her run wild from there. This also lets you explicitly reverse the mentor/student relationship Curzon and Sisko had, which could be fun.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2023 16:22
|
|