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halokiller
Dec 28, 2008

Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves


I lost the 50/50 on wriothsley, but furina is my real goal and the banners starting with her all the way till like 4.6 will be murder on my primo stash

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




My understanding of this game is still so surface level even at WL8 that I don't give any weapon that doesn't have crit rate or crit damage as a substat that much credit. I'm constantly surprised how high people talk about the Festering Desire sword

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face
Playing some more Wrio and I got a weird thought: might there be a way to pester hoyo to add R2 charge attacks for every character? Like they did with Neuvillette.

On most other characters you mostly have an efficient combo that you try to do whenever it's available. But for Wrio sometimes you get hit or knock out an enemy mid-combo or whatever, and suddenly the best move for the situation is inserting a charge attack where you otherwise wouldn't. And it's not horrible to do it with a hold-attack button, but I get the feeling that it would feel more comfortable if you could just "push the heavy attack button." Might make some other characters like Hu Tao/Keqing/Klee feel better to play, too. It's not a huge deal, just something I was thinking about.

Also, I don't think Wrio's gonna be added to the pull list anytime soon. Sorry buddy :(

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

RareAcumen posted:

My understanding of this game is still so surface level even at WL8 that I don't give any weapon that doesn't have crit rate or crit damage as a substat that much credit. I'm constantly surprised how high people talk about the Festering Desire sword
Forgive me for paraphrasing a youtuber, but ER is the best stat in the game until its not.

That being said festering effectively gives furina 12 crit rate and 32 CD which is more total crit value than wolf fang/the black sword's substat (tho fang's passive gives some as well).

Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have

RareAcumen posted:

My understanding of this game is still so surface level even at WL8 that I don't give any weapon that doesn't have crit rate or crit damage as a substat that much credit. I'm constantly surprised how high people talk about the Festering Desire sword
The funniest thing about reading guides online is how many say "The best Free to play weapon for this character is Festering Desire, which was only available for a couple weeks nearly 3 years ago"

There's a really high chance anyone who was playing 3 years ago and didn't quit during that time has much better weapons than a festering desire

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
There arent actually better 4* weapons than festering desire (for Furina). It should beat all the five stars too besides nilou's sword and Furina's own weapon. I do agree that posting it in a guide under the f2p section is a lil troll.

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face
Lots of people are real bad at understanding rpg stats tho. At least the fact that FD is probably gonna be your strongest DPS Furi weapon, is factually true. Unlike some the actual garbage that's floating around out there.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

mycot posted:

There are too many posts to quote but big thanks to whoever answered my questions and comforted my salt. I'll probably bring out Diluc eventually since I never did finish Dragonspine by a longshot. It is also comforting that a rerun might be closer to a few months instead of, like, a year. I guess I'll just start saving again and see how I feel as banners come up.

One more question: for an early game account is it better to be rolling continuously to get a steady stream of 4 star weapons/characters, or is it viable to enter hoarder mode? Or are you gimping yourself if you do?

Are you going to be dropping 5 bucks a month for the welkin moon? If so, you can roll when you like the 5 star on the banner. Rolling for 4 stars you like on the banner is pretty nice, but you're not guaranteed any specific one of them. If you're 100% ftp, I'd wait for a character banner where you like both the 5 star and at least 2 of the 4 stars.

MoonCrab posted:

Lots of people are real bad at understanding rpg stats tho. At least the fact that FD is probably gonna be your strongest DPS Furi weapon, is factually true. Unlike some the actual garbage that's floating around out there.

MHY is really bad at understanding RPG stats. DEF does a lousy job of keeping you alive against all of the stronger hits that normally kill you, and the amount of attacks in the game that are programmed to ignore RES should be stapled onto any ability that increases RES.

sushibandit
Feb 12, 2009

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Flat substats should be counted as "base" stats so they're not literally useless in 99.999% of cases. Obviously with some numeric tweaks to keep them from breaking the game in the other direction from how they are currently.

Kale
May 14, 2010

It seems finishing any quest in a characters story quest sequence will just max out you encounters points for the day. I just finished the first quest in Baizhu's while I've been hanging around Liyue for the event a bit and went from a half full one to all 4 immediately. It's actually getting kind of interesting too after a bit of a slow start. It's weird to see Hu Tao not just goofing around and being a hype woman too and it contrasting with the current event.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Yeah the new daily thing has been kind of game changing. Before I'd kind of marathon quests but now I do one little piece per day.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?

RareAcumen posted:

My understanding of this game is still so surface level even at WL8 that I don't give any weapon that doesn't have crit rate or crit damage as a substat that much credit. I'm constantly surprised how high people talk about the Festering Desire sword

The majority of the time you're not wrong, with the exception of supports using it for energy (Raiden, XQ, etc) or EM-based characters. You're not going to build crit on Koko or Kazuha unless you're going for a gimmick.

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
Neuv - Yelan - Fischl - Diona seems to be my new sweet spot. With the Hydro resonance boost, my Neuv hits 40k HP and his firehose is hitting five digits on the regular. Diona's not much of a healer, but she can dart in and out while my damage dealers do the work.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

No Wave posted:

Yeah the new daily thing has been kind of game changing. Before I'd kind of marathon quests but now I do one little piece per day.

I wish you could save up points for at least a day. I've been doing story quest + event. before that I was doing one chapter of Neuvillette's quest at a time. It makes me feel like I'm wasting the world quests when I do them , though so far the event do alot of filling.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
It's extremely irritating that doing an event twice gives you 99.9% and not the full 4 commissions.

Boat Stuck
Apr 20, 2021

I tried to sneak through the canal, man! Can't make it, can't make it, the ship's stuck! Outta my way son! BOAT STUCK! BOAT STUCK!

Tae posted:

It's extremely irritating that doing an event twice gives you 99.9% and not the full 4 commissions.

Save your weekly reputation requests for filling commissions

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
Wish there were more things to spend the card coins on. I can even tell the difference for the dynamic non-character card skins.

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Wish there were more things to spend the card coins on. I can even tell the difference for the dynamic non-character card skins.

I wish the card currency was just mora tbh. The 21k cap's pretty annoying, and it isn't like we're doing anything else with it

valuum
Sep 3, 2003
ø

No Wave posted:

Yeah the new daily thing has been kind of game changing. Before I'd kind of marathon quests but now I do one little piece per day.

I've come to realize that I really dislike the way it's implemented, because it sort of tries to force this way of playing. You want to finish the quest that you like in the current session? Sucker, dailies for you tomorrow! My brain is smooth enough from 30 years of gaming that playing particularly suboptimally hurts. But I'm standing my ground and battling both game and brain! :colbert:

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i mean, worst case scenario, you just do commissions like before. its not really a punishment.

Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have
Most commissions aren't that bad so you can just knock 2 out and then do anything else and at worst it usually takes less than 20 minutes to do all four anyway

valuum
Sep 3, 2003
ø
I know it's objectively better than before, it just somehow feels worse now. And most Fontaine comissions are even shorter than Sumeru's, I didnt mind them before the change. Like I said, it's a smoothbrain issue, but it's there (for me).

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Same. It's objectively a better system but in practice it's feels so... restraining? I don't really mind skipping commissions but now that I don't have to do them I'm probably going to wind up missing all the Fontaine story daily chains, and "wasting" rewards by doing quests all at once is making me procrastinate hard on story quests. It's nothing inherently bad per se but the specific way it's implemented has a lot of gamefeel speedbumps to it, if you will.

The real answer of course is to make the story dailies into side quest chains and leave the assorted combat dailies as is for people who want to do them, making it both quicker to do the actual daily quests and make make blowing through a bunch of story at once not as much of wasted effort. This won't actually happen though, since Genshin. :effort:

Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have
nothing stops you from doing the story daily commissions even after you claim the daily rewards from kateryne and I in fact, got four of the Neko quests from the updates even while claiming the Daily Rewards from doing events or just getting chests

unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, the commissions are still just sitting there in your log book if you claim all 4 bonuses from doing whatever else. They still advance to the next daily story mission you just don't get rewards from completing them (Because they're already claimed) and I just got the Neko achievement for doing all those and triggering the story quest that comes after doing four or five of the daily comissions

Tampa Bae fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Oct 20, 2023

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

literally any QoL feels like manna from heaven also

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Asimo posted:

Same. It's objectively a better system but in practice it's feels so... restraining? I don't really mind skipping commissions but now that I don't have to do them I'm probably going to wind up missing all the Fontaine story daily chains, and "wasting" rewards by doing quests all at once is making me procrastinate hard on story quests. It's nothing inherently bad per se but the specific way it's implemented has a lot of gamefeel speedbumps to it, if you will.

The real answer of course is to make the story dailies into side quest chains and leave the assorted combat dailies as is for people who want to do them, making it both quicker to do the actual daily quests and make make blowing through a bunch of story at once not as much of wasted effort. This won't actually happen though, since Genshin. :effort:

I had a similar feeling at first, but now I just do event stuff, and do world quests whenever I feel like it. There’s alot to go around.

Emzedoh
Jun 26, 2013

The commission change means I got out of the log in, do dailies, log out rut I got stuck in, so I'm pretty happy with it. Also feels nice to get complete stuff that sticks rather than being endlessly repeatable. Not sure I would have done some of these world quests otherwise.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
i don't really hate all commissions, i just never want to see another balloon escort or weasel cup game ever again as long as i live

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
I’ve found a new hate for the underwater commissions. Even when they’re fast, they’re dumb.

I like how the desert changed sumeru from the jump on a mushroom commission place to the weasel game in the middle of nowhere plsce.

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
Doing event minigames is much nicer for friendship teams you don't have properly leveled and kitted. Especially on mobile.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
i don't play friendship teams either! if i really needed the nameplate of a character i didn't like for some reason, i'd just stick them in the teampot

e: that was a typo but it seems appropriate in context

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Tree Reformat posted:

Doing event minigames is much nicer for friendship teams you don't have properly leveled and kitted. Especially on mobile.

I use the friendship phase for figuring out how best to use them, and for testing their sets. Well, for 4 stars.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I like all characters. Ergo I must play teams I hate to level everyone to 10 asap.

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


No Wave posted:

I like all characters. Ergo I must play teams I hate to level everyone to 10 asap.

i don't like every character but i still level everyone to friendship 10 anyway. kaveh's my last and he's like halfway through 9.

that's not to imply i don't like kaveh, only that he's my most recent new character so he's behind.

haypliss
Oct 2, 2022
If you've got more than one it can be a headache unless you're just using 50% of the team to carry. Maybe if I had the resources or could justify raising Lynette/Freminet they wouldn't feel like they're dragging me down so much.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
My frem is leveled but its not like I use him. Lyney did everything now Neuv does everything.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Starfish! I need more starfish! Neuv is a hungry lad and scales from these stupid levels so much!

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

I've marked like 6-8 easy to obtain chests in fontaine on my map (ones sitting out in the open with no complex puzzle to solve), if theres a day I just cant be bothered doing commissions (and dont have quests/reputation weeklies to do) I'll just open those. Most days I'm doing most daily commissions (because as people have mentioned the Fontaine quests tend to the brief) but when I switch back to Monstadt to mop up a couple of achievements and suchlike I'll probably skip more often. Plus sometimes you just cant be bothered playing hide and seek.

MNSNTZR
Oct 13, 2012

Kale posted:

It seems finishing any quest in a characters story quest sequence will just max out you encounters points for the day. I just finished the first quest in Baizhu's while I've been hanging around Liyue for the event a bit and went from a half full one to all 4 immediately. It's actually getting kind of interesting too after a bit of a slow start. It's weird to see Hu Tao not just goofing around and being a hype woman too and it contrasting with the current event.

that’s why i keep some around all the time now, as an emergency button for that stupid loving “their childhood” daily

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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

Starfish! I need more starfish! Neuv is a hungry lad and scales from these stupid levels so much!

Ask in goon discord. Most people got him the first day, and all of their starfish are up.

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