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Mister Speaker posted:Maybe I'll rewatch Miami Vice tonight. I saw it in theatres when I was a huge gun nut/armchair general and I remember it getting my rocks off with all the Michael Mann gun porn but I feel like rewatching it today it might all be a little cringe. The scene where the female SWAT member describes how she's going to shoot the hostage taker before he can trigger the explosive in particular was a bit hamfisted; SWAT operators don't do that, they just loving shoot you. And doesn't the climactic gun battle end with Colin Farrell literally doing a backflip whilst firing a shotgun? That's not in the training. It's a throwback to the TV show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgyxIGl_Og Also in the clip is some fantastic 80s pistol tactics. My personal favorite is sticking the mag in your mouth while doing a tac reload
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Oct 17, 2023 21:30
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Miami Vice was an early production based on early, kinda limited and crappy digital cameras. I was in that industry then, and the blowouts at the high end and pixel noise in the blacks were, I thought it was limited and you needed to work around these problems (not that I'm a motion picture cinematographer, this was what I heard FROM cinematographers). BUT because Mann and Beebe are goddamn genius he leaned into it, and a lot of the distinctive look and kinda dreamlike feel that makes me LOVE that movie. it just looks and feels cool, and unique. it's also a time capsule of the time people would futz with their cameras to get the right 'look' rather than just capturing flat and fixing it later. IMO this leads to that flat Marvel look because after looking at those images throughout production and post, it just looks right, despite being (imo) boring and limited. It's a just watch for the vibes movie, the same way that something like Jackie Brown is a just watch for a character hang movie. Kinda the opposite of Collateral, which while also shot early digital had impeccable, clinically perfect lighting (except for sky blowouts) that made it look really photographic.
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Oct 17, 2023 21:41
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Remulak posted:the same way that something like Jackie Brown is a just watch for a character hang movie. what the gently caress.
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Oct 17, 2023 21:43
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Shots fired
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Oct 17, 2023 21:50
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Was that lingering shot of Yero seething with jealousy as a teardrop rolls down his cheek intended to be so hilariously melodramatic? The movie has a few moments like that, that I started to think Mann was intentionally leaning into camp.
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Oct 17, 2023 21:55
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Wifi Toilet posted:Just watched The Outfit and Good Time, good stuff. Post more good movies from the last 10 years I haven’t heard about. Not sure if anyone has mentioned Den of Thieves. Its for all intents and purposes a modern day Heat. Not AS good as Heat but still a good movie none the less.
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Oct 17, 2023 22:56
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Rinkles posted:Was that lingering shot of Yero seething with jealousy as a teardrop rolls down his cheek intended to be so hilariously melodramatic? The movie has a few moments like that, that I started to think Mann was intentionally leaning into camp. I think he was leaning into it. The movie is filled with little moments like that. The scene with John Hawkes on the highway is over the top melodrama as well
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Oct 17, 2023 22:59
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Remulak posted:Miami Vice was an early production based on early, kinda limited and crappy digital cameras. I was in that industry then, and the blowouts at the high end and pixel noise in the blacks were, I thought it was limited and you needed to work around these problems (not that I'm a motion picture cinematographer, this was what I heard FROM cinematographers). Also don't remember watching Thief, I guess one more thing to check out.
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Oct 17, 2023 23:03
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Kurash posted:Not a heist movie but definitely in the crime thriller vein, I'm wondering how other people feel about Ridley Scott's "Black Rain" from 1989 starring Michael Douglas. My oldest brother sat me down for a bit of a movie binge shortly before he passed and while some of them were... certainly interesting (I could only describe 1984's Cloak and Dagger as actively damaging for a child to watch, as my brother did) but they were all clearly very important to him. Black Rain is...yeah, slick is the right word. It's not astonishingly good but the plot and characters work fine for what it is. The cinematography is where the slickness comes from, some very stylish shots of 80's Japan. Acting-wise, everyone was solid but I thought Douglas' Japanese counterpart (Ken Takakura) was particularly good.
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Oct 17, 2023 23:40
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mobby_6kl posted:Ooh reminds me that I still have to watch Miami Vice, both the TV show and movie since I still haven't seen them. you can always tell what Mann's fetish of the moment was in his films. in miami vice it's fast boats with big engines going fast (also private jets). in Thief it's high performance metal working equipment
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Oct 18, 2023 13:43
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Code Jockey posted:I just put on Thief last night and holy poo poo this movie is very good, I cannot believe I have been without it Thief is tremendous. I've been toying with interpreting it as an environmental horror film with Frank as the monster created and roused to action by human malfeasance, but the environment is institutional\cultural rather than physicaland the damage\mutation is psychological. Dude was dealt a bum hand at every turn coming up and, unlike most people who get that screwed that early on, he became a high-powered mutant master thief instead of a street person. But his human professional identity was like camouflage, even from himself, and he needed to move in tight controlled routines, sustained by the unachievable hope of the perfect live he had cobbled together in his wallet sized vision board, in order to maintain it. When humanity discovered him and attempted to exploit his talents for more wealth, they didn't understand what they were dealing with and that it couldn't compromise or adapt, which led to carnage and the collapse of Frank's persona along with all the life that had been built up around it.
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Oct 18, 2023 14:51
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distortion park posted:you can always tell what Mann's fetish of the moment was in his films. in miami vice it's fast boats with big engines going fast (also private jets). in Thief it's high performance metal working equipment Well can you blame him
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Oct 18, 2023 14:52
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B-Rock452 posted:It's a throwback to the TV show. Don Johnson is so loving cool god drat
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Oct 18, 2023 15:36
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mysterious frankie posted:Thief is tremendous. I've been toying with interpreting it as an environmental horror film with Frank as the monster created and roused to action by human malfeasance, but the environment is institutional\cultural rather than physicaland the damage\mutation is psychological. Dude was dealt a bum hand at every turn coming up and, unlike most people who get that screwed that early on, he became a high-powered mutant master thief instead of a street person. But his human professional identity was like camouflage, even from himself, and he needed to move in tight controlled routines, sustained by the unachievable hope of the perfect live he had cobbled together in his wallet sized vision board, in order to maintain it. When humanity discovered him and attempted to exploit his talents for more wealth, they didn't understand what they were dealing with and that it couldn't compromise or adapt, which led to carnage and the collapse of Frank's persona along with all the life that had been built up around it. whoa
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Oct 18, 2023 20:33
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pretty soft girl posted:Don Johnson is so loving cool god drat When the show became popular, Wahl released a stubble trimmer called the “Miami Device” designed to give you the same 5 o’clock shadow he had. I have searched high and low for one and can’t find any.
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Oct 18, 2023 21:25
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Jose Oquendo posted:When the show became popular, Wahl released a stubble trimmer called the “Miami Device” designed to give you the same 5 o’clock shadow he had. this owns and yeah Don Johnson is so good
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Oct 18, 2023 22:21
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Jose Oquendo posted:When the show became popular, Wahl released a stubble trimmer called the “Miami Device” designed to give you the same 5 o’clock shadow he had. They totally still are made Called stubble trimmers Google that and read 
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Oct 18, 2023 22:22
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Spinz posted:They totally still are made Right. I want one that’s specifically branded as a Miami Device. They dropped that branding because I figure NBC was gonna sue the pants off them. Jose Oquendo fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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Oct 18, 2023 22:30
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pretty soft girl posted:Don Johnson is so loving cool god drat A few years back went to a Q&A talk he did. Even just sitting on a stage answering questions, he still has amazing charisma. Two separate women turned out to have gifts for him rather than questions (possibly containing a phone number or hotel room #, who knows but it was that vibe).
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Oct 19, 2023 00:11
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roomtwofifteen posted:Saw it again last night but in a theater, incredible experience. Highly recommend 
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Oct 19, 2023 00:22
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Jose Oquendo posted:When the show became popular, Wahl released a stubble trimmer called the “Miami Device” designed to give you the same 5 o’clock shadow he had. I too have gone on this fruitless search for the Miami Device. I've settled for buying used copies of Heartbeat on vinyl whenever I see it, including one promotional single I found in the shape of Don Johnson's face
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Oct 19, 2023 14:40
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mobby_6kl posted:Well can you blame him It's quite funny that his name is Michael "Mann"
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Oct 19, 2023 14:42
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Shumagorath posted:Where was it playing? I’m guessing TIFF 2025 will have a 30yr screening as they had a 20yr interview with Mann that I missed by being out of town AFI Silver in Maryland had a few showings as part of their Warner Bros Centennial series (and ours was very full!). I'm grateful to have that theater nearby, they do a lot of fantastic showings and series. TIFF seems like a good bet to have it again, I'd assume. I swear I've seen other small indies in the states do showings occasionally. It was great to have a full crowd, though there was more laughter throughout the film than I would have liked. I know it's funny at times but the diner scene is serious!! Stop it!!
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Oct 19, 2023 14:53
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roomtwofifteen posted:
Aaaaaaaa this poo poo drives me nuts. I caught a once in a life time midnight showing of one of the original reels of John Woo's The Killer a few years back. A good chunk of the movie is super campy but there were some doofuses full belly laughing at the real dark depressing heavy poo poo and ruining the mood
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Oct 19, 2023 14:58
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I think Blackhat is actually okay. People pan it because the hacker is sexy but I knew plenty of computer dudes who went to the gym. Also it had good shootouts and that scene at the end where that dude got stabbed up loving rules. As an aside I think the bad guy in Blackhat is kinda based on Paul Le Roux and his story is loving wild, I think Mann was actually interested in producing a movie about him too. Mister Speaker posted:Maybe I'll rewatch Miami Vice tonight. I saw it in theatres when I was a huge gun nut/armchair general and I remember it getting my rocks off with all the Michael Mann gun porn but I feel like rewatching it today it might all be a little cringe. The scene where the female SWAT member describes how she's going to shoot the hostage taker before he can trigger the explosive in particular was a bit hamfisted; SWAT operators don't do that, they just loving shoot you. And doesn't the climactic gun battle end with Colin Farrell literally doing a backflip whilst firing a shotgun? That's not in the training. The scene where that dude falls off the building freaked me the gently caress out, I have a major fear of heights, but not like... a normal one, I'm actually terrified of other people falling and I felt literally sick when that dude fell. Uncut Gems is another extremely stressful movie. I liked it but I'll probably never watch it again. Tumble fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Oct 19, 2023 15:21
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Watched a couple of thread movies Miami Vice I just liked, thought I would have more mixed impressions based on the movie's reputation. Day scenes look weird but most of the movie takes place at night so it's not a huge issue. Very of-the-time soundtrack made me smile. I wish other guys and gals from their unit were more developed but probably a time issue. All in all, not bad Heist I think someone in the thread called it passable boomer heist movie which is a fair. Enjoyable enough except treatment of Hackman's wife in the film felt weird and creepy. I get that she is a con artist but he just send her off to gently caress a psycho guy at which point she essentially becomes his hostage. At the end of the movie she is still imprisoned by Sam Rockwell (at his sweatiest) at gunpoint and then Hackman chuckles to himself, drives off into the sunset with all the gold and movie ends. Just weird, bad vibes, man Apparently some people think she was in on the plan at the end but I'm not feeling it. Also what a poo poo plan then Danny DeVito was fun though
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Oct 19, 2023 18:14
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mysterious frankie posted:Thief is tremendous. I've been toying with interpreting it as an environmental horror film with Frank as the monster created and roused to action by human malfeasance, but the environment is institutional\cultural rather than physicaland the damage\mutation is psychological. Dude was dealt a bum hand at every turn coming up and, unlike most people who get that screwed that early on, he became a high-powered mutant master thief instead of a street person. But his human professional identity was like camouflage, even from himself, and he needed to move in tight controlled routines, sustained by the unachievable hope of the perfect live he had cobbled together in his wallet sized vision board, in order to maintain it. When humanity discovered him and attempted to exploit his talents for more wealth, they didn't understand what they were dealing with and that it couldn't compromise or adapt, which led to carnage and the collapse of Frank's persona along with all the life that had been built up around it. My friends and I watched Thief a couple days ago, and whoa. I mostly agree with your analysis, though I would personally frame it more as a working class professional struggling against a system that wants to exploit his labor. Your character analysis is really spot on, too. I felt like Mann's fingerprints were all over this movie in ways that weren't as thickly applied in his later films, but really made this one pop visually. This scene in particular really grabbed me:  The way the foreground pavement is wet but solid, the middle ground is the river, and the background is this wall of city and its all color graded so the lights are this cool teal. For real, after enjoying so many Mann movies with their lack of compromise for actual dark or nighttime shots I get very annoyed by anything today that is shot day-for-night. Contrast that with the incredibly bright and chaotic safe cracking scene:  No music with that scene, just the loud hiss of the thermal lance melting the safe door. I was incredibly impressed with both safe cracking scenes, actually. There's no substitute for watching it actually happen without faking it via effects. The real bow on this film though is the ending. My friends and I were hooting and hollering when Frank gets away alive at the end. Made even more beautiful by the fact that it's only possible because he burned his old life to the ground, thus paying the price for his vengeance upfront rather than in blood at the end. Just loving chef's kiss. As a final thought, I leave you with a gif the reload. Maybe not as good as Val in Heat, but dripping with cool. 
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Oct 19, 2023 20:51
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pretty soft girl posted:I too have gone on this fruitless search for the Miami Device. I've settled for buying used copies of Heartbeat on vinyl whenever I see it, including one promotional single I found in the shape of Don Johnson's face Can you post a picture of this
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Oct 19, 2023 20:52
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Saganlives posted:words Oh there is no doubt that mann is the best at night poo poo in general.
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Oct 19, 2023 21:01
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Saganlives posted:My friends and I watched Thief a couple days ago, and whoa. I mostly agree with your analysis, though I would personally frame it more as a working class professional struggling against a system that wants to exploit his labor. Your character analysis is really spot on, too. Every word of this, but yeah James Caan is fantastic in it, it's a great character for him and yeah the thermal lance reveal is subtle, I love it. a modern movie by someone else would play big booming orchestra and have big sweeping shots of the thing, etc. This was just "you get to learn about it as we move because there is incredible tension in this moment and we don't have time to jerk off over the tools"
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Oct 19, 2023 21:21
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Code Jockey posted:Every word of this, but yeah James Caan is fantastic in it, it's a great character for him The lance scene is so good. It's such a loud messy scene that ups the realism of the movie.
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Oct 19, 2023 21:23
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B-Rock452 posted:The lance scene is so good. It's such a loud messy scene that ups the realism of the movie. Absolutely, and I love the lead up. "Yeah, I can do that, but it's going to be a complete motherfucker to use", and yeah, that looked like it would be hot, miserable, chaotic, and who know how well that thing was built given the time. It could've exploded on them for all they knew
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Oct 19, 2023 21:25
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Code Jockey posted:Absolutely, and I love the lead up. "Yeah, I can do that, but it's going to be a complete motherfucker to use", and yeah, that looked like it would be hot, miserable, chaotic, and who know how well that thing was built given the time. It could've exploded on them for all they knew Code Jockey posted:Every word of this, but yeah James Caan is fantastic in it, it's a great character for him https://imgur.com/jgJSzQ0.mp4 Saganlives fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Oct 19, 2023 |
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Oct 19, 2023 22:56
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Jose Oquendo posted:Can you post a picture of this I had more copies but I gave some away as gag gifts a while back    This was in one of them  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdazaY1704
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Oct 19, 2023 23:37
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I love everything about that.
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Oct 19, 2023 23:38
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Jesus Christ Manhunter is such a good movie. Man...I've watched this movie like 25 times and EVERY time I just watch the whole thing with no breaks. Just a masterpiece. Gonna rope my gf into watching it with me for spooky month tomorrow night 🤙🤙
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Oct 20, 2023 00:35
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Captain Yossarian posted:Jesus Christ Manhunter is such a good movie. Man...I've watched this movie like 25 times and EVERY time I just watch the whole thing with no breaks. Just a masterpiece. Gonna rope my gf into watching it with me for spooky month tomorrow night 🤙🤙 I ran this and Silence of the Lambs last night as a "more suspense than horror but I will take any excuse to run Manhunter" double feature One thing that absolutely caught me was the way the bathroom was lit, early on. I feel like any other director, especially if done in the eras following this, would have drastically over-lit this scene to emphasize the pure white and the gold accents. To beat us over the head with what we're supposed to take from the scene. Instead, look at this poo poo:   (blood everywhere) Just look at how well lit that entire room is, but the bathroom lighting is so evocative. It's so real. There are products out, some which are obviously being used, all generally well ordered. That is what a bathroom at night at a crime scene at an upper class home would look like, I assume.
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Oct 20, 2023 00:52
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My favorite Manhunter scenes are 1. Will talking about his mental health in the grocery store 2. The analysis of the toilet paper note. I really felt every person involved in the procedure was an expert in their respective field, and also that they were deeply miserable from their work
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