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Carth Dookie posted:Tbh if I was a Russian heli pilot I'd be quietly cheering. Congratulations, comrade. You have been promoted to infantry.
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So things must've been pretty spicy yesterday. Pretty sure the numbers for dead, tanks and ifvs/apcs are the highest we've seen. https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1715238026727555084?t=ylHCV6ghcyvU7tthSoLU-A&s=19
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:ATACMS or just wrecking poo poo? I don't think ATACMS. More like the Russians trying really hard to wreck poo poo in Avdiivka but getting seriously counter wrecked in the process. That's probably the majority. In addition to that the Ukrainians wrecking poo poo in multiple places. There seems to be some footholds on the left side of Dnipro (aka the Russian occupied side) which is causing some panic. And more.
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They were losing 800-1000 per day once Avdiivka kicked off in earnest, 1380 is quite a jump. Strange hill to die on, but you do you. 
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InAndOutBrennan posted:I don't think ATACMS.
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InAndOutBrennan posted:So things must've been pretty spicy yesterday. Pretty sure the numbers for dead, tanks and ifvs/apcs are the highest we've seen. Those numbers just look too high to be true. 55 tanks and 120 IFV in one day?
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Charlz Guybon posted:Those numbers just look too high to be true. 55 tanks and 120 IFV in one day? "I don't care what it costs, the boss must see some results". Looking forward to Aerogavin guy re-emerging when an M113 drills a panzer IV with a SLAP round.
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It has been the largest Russian attack since the offensives in and around Bakhmut last winter, and I do not doubt that it will later be verified to be larger. However, it seems the DNR 1st Corps has played a large role in this, so while it is Russian equipment getting wrecked it is probably Ukrainians mostly doing the dying.
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Action-Bastard posted:Congratulations, comrade. You have been promoted to infantry. Makes me wonder about whatever happened re: that story in mid 2022 about guards from the ICBM department (Strategic Rocket Forces) being thrown into frontline infantry roles, Starship Troopers style.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1715246483358838845quote:Ukraine’s top diplomat says Biden and Zelensky discussed future delivery of newer missiles that can reach up to 300 km Oh it's going to be real loving funny if this happens.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1715246483358838845 Hhahahhahahahahahaha
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I expect that there will continue to be a restriction on not using it against Russian territory, but two thirds of the Crimean bridge is on Ukrainian territory, so ...
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The Russian Navy is going to have to keep their flag level meetings in the occupied areas to under 5 minutes.
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Sometimes I wonder how much it would improve my work if large meetings always came with the danger of getting a 500kg unitary warhead delivered to the meeting room.
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Antigravitas posted:Sometimes I wonder how much it would improve my work if large meetings always came with the danger of getting a 500kg unitary warhead delivered to the meeting room. Going by how long our company formations lasted on our mortar-bait FOB, not much.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1715301851287933338 Bit more polished, bit less of the earnest praise praise we've seen in the past, but here are some Ukrainians with a Leopard 2 being interviewed by a Ukrainian news channel of some sort. They claim they did in 9 weeks the amount of training that Swedish tank drivers for the same tank would get in 1.5 years.
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GD_American posted:Going by how long our company formations lasted on our mortar-bait FOB, not much. I hate to tell you what was actually the bait.
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Melthir posted:I hate to tell you what was actually the bait. Oh, E-7 and below was acutely aware.
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Never mortar someone actively wishing for the sweet release of death. Wait until they're having chow, enjoying some down time, or best of all, asleep.
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A.o.D. posted:Never mortar someone actively wishing for the sweet release of death. Wait until they're having chow, enjoying some down time, or best of all, asleep. Crossposting the state of Russian https://x.com/andrewperpetua/status/1715031819383345621?s=46
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Crossposting the state of Russian As someone who was the pogiest of pogs to ever pog a pog in their MOS, I don't get it? Could you break that one down a bit for those of us who are slow in the head and worked in maintenance? I'm not entirely sure I ever even got familiarity training on mortars so it's all foreign to me.
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Idk what’s going on there either, but it’s not as bad as video of the poor bastard that tried to hang mortar rounds upside down, twice in a row. I don’t understand Russian in the least, but “WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU DOING YOU MORON???” is pretty easy to understand across languages.
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It's not an actual mortar- it's rusty pipe welded together the way Myanmar Rebels and the old IRA do it
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Charlz Guybon posted:Those numbers just look too high to be true. 55 tanks and 120 IFV in one day? Roughly a tank battalion and 3-4 battalions of armored vehicles and a battalion of arty is a reinforced mechanized brigade of losses in a day basically.
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bulletsponge13 posted:It's not an actual mortar- it's rusty pipe welded together the way Myanmar Rebels and the old IRA do it Ok I take it back, that’s worse than the idiot i mentioned earlier  I just thought it was an old tube rusted to gently caress and back, not an improvised tube (still rusted to gently caress and back).
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bulletsponge13 posted:It's not an actual mortar- it's rusty pipe welded together the way Myanmar Rebels and the old IRA do it I was thinking a tank or artillery shell. That's true smekalka right there
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Murgos posted:Roughly a tank battalion and 3-4 battalions of armored vehicles and a battalion of arty is a reinforced mechanized brigade of losses in a day basically. Aka "Blyat". There's a field that has changed hands at least a few times. Russians got it a few days ago. Ukr took it back a couple of days ago. Russians took it back day before yesterday. But it seems that came at a bit of a price.
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I could be wrong on the pipe aspect- but it is most certainly a homemade mortar. I've seen a few IRL, and learned the academics of making them -which sounds way more complicated than roofing nail, railroad plate, and steel tubing. Some will be fit with ad hoc sights, or mounts for actual mortar sights. They are typically found in Guerilla and Insurgent forces where mortar systems are difficult to come by. Craft made shells can be easily produced, and actual mortar bombs are easier to acquire.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I could be wrong on the pipe aspect- but it is most certainly a homemade mortar. I've seen a few IRL, and learned the academics of making them -which sounds way more complicated than roofing nail, railroad plate, and steel tubing. Some will be fit with ad hoc sights, or mounts for actual mortar sights. When it's the Taliban or Hamas or the IRA using improvised mortars, I have no comment. This, however...
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1715246483358838845 That's some top notch information war too.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Those numbers just look too high to be true. 55 tanks and 120 IFV in one day? Based solely off of the shitload of videos coming out of Avdiivka, yeah I'd believe it. There's drone footage of more than a dozen tanks and IFVs eating it one right after the other, followed up by vast swathes of pocked market terrain littered with dozens upon dozens of corpses. What a stupid pointless nightmare, gently caress Putin.
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The footage coming out of Avdiivka makes those numbers believable. It's columns of armour rolling across open fields under constant watch of drones and getting shelled. From the footage it looks like Ukrainian artillery isn't suppressed at all and just keeps hitting columns of backed-up armour and clumped-up infantry in the wide open fields, over and over again.
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It keeps happening bro. I warned you about artillery man. I told you!
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1715301851287933338 As someone who's been though the Swedish Leo2 training I find that hard to believe. Back in my day tank crew were conscripted, I did 15 months in uniform 10 of which was all tank stuff more or less. Training was intense, days were often very long, and at the end I would describe us as "barely competent". Most of the guys I served with were pretty smart and quick learners too (one of the advantages of the conscription system I guess, the army gets to pick and choose) This was for the commander role though, drivers and gunners were in 12 months total, loaders 10, and those guys spent less time than I did on non-tank things. I can see training a decent loader happening in 9 weeks, especially if the person being trained can already tie their shoes and make their bed and fire a rifle. Driving a Leo2 in easy terrain in daylight isn't hard at all if you've ever driven a car but the tactical stuff our drivers were expected to handle as well as the repair/maintenance side of things isn't trivial to learn. Also all the finer details. For example we spent several days just learning to camouflage the things in a hurry. Mundane things like loading/unloading on trailers or rail cars, using various bridges, fording, recovery/towing etc. all took time. Especially night operations is really hard to do reasonably well compared to daylight despite all the gadgets and requires lots of practice (like several weeks of it) especially for drivers and commanders.
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A.o.D. posted:When it's the Taliban or Hamas or the IRA using improvised mortars, I have no comment. This, however... The IRA ones were mostly single use types converted from gas cannisters (14 inch diameter) and could be launched from the back of a van/lorry with holes cut in the roof or just plopped down in a field. I remember them hitting a helicopter (it was hovering at a barracks)... such was my local news back then.
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Invalido posted:As someone who's been though the Swedish Leo2 training I find that hard to believe. Back in my day tank crew were conscripted, I did 15 months in uniform 10 of which was all tank stuff more or less. Training was intense, days were often very long, and at the end I would describe us as "barely competent". Most of the guys I served with were pretty smart and quick learners too (one of the advantages of the conscription system I guess, the army gets to pick and choose) This was for the commander role though, drivers and gunners were in 12 months total, loaders 10, and those guys spent less time than I did on non-tank things. I can see training a decent loader happening in 9 weeks, especially if the person being trained can already tie their shoes and make their bed and fire a rifle. Driving a Leo2 in easy terrain in daylight isn't hard at all if you've ever driven a car but the tactical stuff our drivers were expected to handle as well as the repair/maintenance side of things isn't trivial to learn. Also all the finer details. For example we spent several days just learning to camouflage the things in a hurry. Mundane things like loading/unloading on trailers or rail cars, using various bridges, fording, recovery/towing etc. all took time. Especially night operations is really hard to do reasonably well compared to daylight despite all the gadgets and requires lots of practice (like several weeks of it) especially for drivers and commanders. Its likely more a matter of translation and priority. Its not that they completed all 70 weeks in 9 weeks, but that they managed to become minimally competent in 9 weeks. I suspect the sweedish instructors were more surprised by the "we have to teach them *what* and we have only 9 weeks?" than by the speed of the learning. Or more surprised by how minimally okish they were after only 9 weeks. Things like loading onto rail cars are theoretically something you can teach to one tank and have them teach the others on their own time once their back east. And how much of that training would be immediately superceeded by other tankers actual combat experience and new TTPs?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:That's some top notch information war too. Right? Just throwing out that maybe Ukraine will get 300km range precision SRBMs should cause a rational actor to honor that threat and move even more stuff back from the front or spend effort hardening it or dedicate even more anti-air assets to defending it that could be used other places.
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