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derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
If you want real second person read if on a winters night a traveler

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I've been meaning to get to that. I like Calvino's work, but it still feels a bit style over substance to me though. Having read all of Invisible Cities and currently plugging away at Cosmiccomics. A little creative writing exercise esque

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
Yeah I'm mistaken about what second person means lol

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Gaius Marius posted:

I've been meaning to get to that. I like Calvino's work, but it still feels a bit style over substance to me though. Having read all of Invisible Cities and currently plugging away at Cosmiccomics. A little creative writing exercise esque

I love Invisible Cities, but If on a winter’s night a traveler is a bit more coherent of an actual narrative, while loving around with the style the entire time

Lex Neville
Apr 15, 2009
style over substance any day baby

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy

Lex Neville posted:

style over substance any day baby

:100:

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

just going to shamelessly bump this so it doesn't get lost on older pages.

ulvir posted:

anyway, you want to know another book in the second person? the moscoviad

it’s fun, cold and brutal, and you should all read it

just like 180 pages or something too

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy

ulvir posted:

just going to shamelessly bump this so it doesn't get lost on older pages.

i remember seeing this cover and thinking 'man what a terrible cover, i'd never read this based on the cover' but now that im hearing about it multiple times ive added it to my list

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

yeah, that cover design does not do it any justice at all. the norwegian translation has the same image

DrankSinatra
Aug 25, 2011
Does anybody have a recommendation for a translation of War & Peace? I've noticed that lately there's been a bit of a Pevear and Volhonsky backlash in general, but I'm too much of a meathead to get a good sense of the issues with their translations.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

the Maudes’ translations is stellar, Briggs’ can also work, and I assume the latest, Maude revised by Mandelker should be pretty good as well

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

i’ve heard rumours that Bolaño is worth reading

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

ulvir posted:

i’ve heard rumours that Bolaño is worth reading

He's the Elmore Leonard of an age

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
V. getting very detailed in recounting the process of nasal plastic surgery is truthfully the most grotesque I've seen a published novel get.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

FPyat posted:

V. getting very detailed in recounting the process of nasal plastic surgery is truthfully the most grotesque I've seen a published novel get.

American Psycho, but then again we do not in fact have to hand it to Bret Easton Ellis

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



ulvir posted:

i’ve heard rumours that Bolaño is worth reading

i liked The Savage Detectives a lot, it's all over the place but it still manages to stick together.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Bolano is no Gardner.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Bolano is no Gardner.

Well yeah he's a writer

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Gaius Marius posted:

Well yeah he's a writer

Ooooh :nyd:

Jeep
Feb 20, 2013

ulvir posted:

i’ve heard rumours that Bolaño is worth reading

I read 2666 over a couple graveyard shifts at a previous job and it absolutely slapped. Definitely peep it.

thehoodie
Feb 8, 2011

"Eat something made with love and joy - and be forgiven"
bolano is top tier and everything i've read by him is awesome. 2666 and savage dicks definitely stand above but i also absolutely love nazi literature in the americas

Crespolini
Mar 9, 2014

ulvir posted:

i’ve heard rumours that Bolaño is worth reading

No one ever talks about his book The Third Reich, but it's a very compelling kind of book. Odd duck...but there's something about the prose. Hypnotic.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



thehoodie posted:

bolano is top tier and everything i've read by him is awesome. 2666 and savage dicks definitely stand above but i also absolutely love nazi literature in the americas

oh yeah i got started reading nazi literature and it was clearly good but i think i wasnt in the mood for it then. i should get back on that

Half-wit
Aug 31, 2005

Half a wit more than baby Asahel, or half a wit less? You decide.
:yikes:

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

ty for the confirmation, everyone

I think i'll start with savage detectives just because the cover of the norwegian rerelease is baller

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005


surely, books aren't that bad

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




:gotem:

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Crespolini posted:

No one ever talks about his book The Third Reich, but it's a very compelling kind of book. Odd duck...but there's something about the prose. Hypnotic.

Lol

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I regret to reveal that there is Pynchon filk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKgauv6CH0s

Lobster Henry
Jul 10, 2012

studious as a butterfly in a parking lot
I’m midway through Butcher’s Crossing. drat, it’s really good!

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Lobster Henry posted:

I’m midway through Butcher’s Crossing. drat, it’s really good!

drat, strong opinions on an intersection. Let us know when you get across.

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

So I recently finished Big Bang by David Bowman and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations for similarly formally tangential novels (it's hard to get across in synopsis, but I'm reminded of the structure of Breakfast Of Champions) or is familiar with his other work.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

I Before E posted:

So I recently finished Big Bang by David Bowman and I'd like to know if anyone has recommendations for similarly formally tangential novels (it's hard to get across in synopsis, but I'm reminded of the structure of Breakfast Of Champions) or is familiar with his other work.

Aaaand I've just made a note. Was it good?

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

mdemone posted:

Aaaand I've just made a note. Was it good?

I'd certainly say so

Lobster Henry
Jul 10, 2012

studious as a butterfly in a parking lot

Gaius Marius posted:

drat, strong opinions on an intersection. Let us know when you get across.

I’m across, it’s over, Butcher’s Crossing is behind me. drat, it was really good!

Someone at work is lending me Stoner and I’ve got my eye on Augustus too. I love a bit of historical fiction when it’s done well.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

im reading this book called bread and wine, its pretty good

its about a (possibly former?) socialist who has to go into hiding by pretending to be a priest

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Just want to come in and reiterate that I'm thoroughly enjoying Doctor Faustus. Slow going because I'm trying to find appropriate music to listen to while reading which is difficult as someone whose classical music experience is limited almost entirely to Operas I've seen.

The novel feels like The Leopard in the way Mann can quickly sketch a place, a physical location that people inhabit in such detail that the location becomes solidified in the mind. However the trickles of the supernatural hovering just beyond the edge of the frame and threatening to butt on raise the tension of the work in almost imperceptible ways. The occasional flashes into numismatic events, Adrian's captivation by Esmeralda, the destruction of the doctors he goes to cure him, the reoccurrence of his childhood into the modern world in signs and symbols recreating it, the occasional interruption of the creative genius of Leverkuhn with the apocalyptic visions of the end of WWII.

It's fascinating and is actively working against many of my attempts to analyze it in a rote fashion. It's operating at a lot of levels, more than most works even great ones.

Right after posting this I hit the chapter with Leverkuhn meeting the devil for the first time. It is absolutely melting my brain.

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 28, 2023

Volcano
Apr 10, 2008


Lobster Henry posted:

I’m across, it’s over, Butcher’s Crossing is behind me. drat, it was really good!

Someone at work is lending me Stoner and I’ve got my eye on Augustus too. I love a bit of historical fiction when it’s done well.

Butcher's Crossing and Stoner are both great – very different books though so hard to pick a favourite from the two. I still need to get around to Augustus.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming
Butcher's Crossing was loving fantastic. I read it last month.

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PsychedelicWarlord
Sep 8, 2016


Volcano posted:

Butcher's Crossing and Stoner are both great – very different books though so hard to pick a favourite from the two. I still need to get around to Augustus.

I can't recommend Augustus enough. And now I need to get to Stoner and Butcher's Crossing...

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