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Proud Christian Mom posted:the expenditure of ordnance will make numbers go up This is good for HitCoin
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For the record, I was not trolling, it was a genuine question. I'm not a vet, I don't know very much about rockets, the iron dome, or how they interact. I asked because the Al Jazeera video mentioned there was 5 and 7 seconds between the intercept and the two explosions on the ground, and my dumb high school physics says that might line up if the rocket was between 122.5m and 240m high when it was intercepted (assuming dumb high school physics things like no drag, aerodynamics, or initial vertical velocity involved). I also don't know how high the rockets go, so that would have been the next question. It seemed not impossible. If it is, then feel free to tell me I'm stupid  None of that changes the fact that Israel should stop oppressing/warcriming Palestinians.
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Oct 20, 2023 05:38
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Based on the video that shows an ascending rocket that then explodes and shortly thereafter there are two explosions on the ground, that would have been a boost-phase intercept. IE, the interceptor munition targeted and hit the target missile while it was still under thrust, accelerating upwards. The Iron Dome does not operate in that way. It does midcourse- or terminal-phase intercepts, after the control system has analyzed the ballistic trajectory and determined the warhead will fall within a designated protected area.
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Oct 20, 2023 07:14
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pantslesswithwolves posted:What a loving chode. What does he expect to do other than get in the way? gorge himself on the rich political capital of turning up to Israel, what else
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Oct 20, 2023 10:16
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Luceid posted:gorge himself on the rich political capital of turning up to Israel, what else Along the same vein  https://twitter.com/syracusedotcom/status/1715201682978607167
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Oct 20, 2023 16:29
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Oct 20, 2023 16:40
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Discussion Quorum posted:How many 50
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Oct 20, 2023 17:04
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55 actually, the territories have governors too and iirc DC's mayor is considered a governor as well
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Oct 20, 2023 18:19
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Israel will never be able to start the ground invasion because they'll have a constant backlog of all US state governors just cycling through the country a week at a time.
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Oct 20, 2023 18:22
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Herstory Begins Now posted:55 actually, the territories have governors too and iirc DC's mayor is considered a governor as well I could claim that I was giving them a 5% benefit of the doubt but the truth is I forgot. On the other hand I doubt the governor of USVI is going to make a trip to Israel about this.
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Oct 20, 2023 18:26
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mrmcd posted:Israel will never be able to start the ground invasion because they'll have a constant backlog of all US state governors just cycling through the country a week at a time. A good way to de-escalate. Just nonstop VIP visits.
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Oct 20, 2023 18:26
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Reverse Human Shield. I dig it.
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we could place one american governor or congressperson every roughly 12 or 13 square miles and achieve full coverage of Israel and Palestine
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Oct 20, 2023 18:31
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One weird trick that Netanyahu doesn't want you to know about
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Oct 20, 2023 18:47
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mrmcd posted:Israel will never be able to start the ground invasion because they'll have a constant backlog of all US state governors just cycling through the country a week at a time. I read that Biden's visit had this as one of its goals -- delaying the invasion. It's... kinda smart? The US is doing its usual unconditional support gig and trying to give tons of money to Israel. On the other hand a potential ground operation seems to be in limbo and there's mounting pressure to open up Rafah a bit. Maybe it's all accidental of course, the US hasn't really been known for its subtly lately.
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Oct 20, 2023 19:01
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New analysis of the Gaza hospital explosion coming out: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1715437877604049094 https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1715429352697934331 Takeaways: - The audio call between the Hamas super soldiers was at the very least digitally manipulated in very obvious ways and potentially faked outright. - The projectile that caused the explosion came from the direction opposite to what the IDF claimed--which is to say, from the direction of Israel. What this all means: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Oct 20, 2023 21:17
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Welp, back to the israeli warcrime theory.
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Oct 20, 2023 21:40
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Not that it's on the same level as all the civilians they've been murdering, but Israel also destroyed a 1400 year old mosque in Gaza yesterday.
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Oct 20, 2023 21:48
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Saw the "centrist" editor of the Times of Israel referring to Gaza as "Hamastan" today in an oped. Really cool dehumanization of the 2 million civilians Israel has confined to the Strip.
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Oct 20, 2023 23:26
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Cugel the Clever posted:Saw the "centrist" editor of the Times of Israel referring to Gaza as "Hamastan" today in an oped. Really cool dehumanization of the 2 million civilians Israel has confined to the Strip. Not quite Indonesia 65 but this is how that poo poo starts.
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Oct 20, 2023 23:30
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B B posted:New analysis of the Gaza hospital explosion coming out: Everyone who matters is entrenched in their opinion and no evidence will change minds. Israel will never admit it if it’s them and the Arabs who read Protocols unironically (and there are lots) will never believe it isn’t a Jewish plot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 21, 2023 02:36
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Stultus Maximus posted:Everyone who matters is entrenched in their opinion and no evidence will change minds. Israel will never admit it if it’s them and the Arabs who read Protocols unironically (and there are lots) will never believe it isn’t a Jewish plot. Okay, but what about the rest of us? And why did you feel the need to smear Palestinians in that particular way? That was a weird response to interesting and valuable insight. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 21, 2023 02:53
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Iranian-backed militias have conducted eight attacks over the past three days across the Middle East in a multi-theater escalation against the United States and Israel. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-20-2023
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Stultus Maximus posted:Everyone who matters is entrenched in their opinion and no evidence will change minds. Israel will never admit it if it’s them and the Arabs who read Protocols unironically (and there are lots) will never believe it isn’t a Jewish plot. What an impressively awful post. I didn’t know those were the only people who mattered. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Not that it's on the same level as all the civilians they've been murdering, but Israel also destroyed a 1400 year old mosque in Gaza yesterday. Im just impressed they built the thing before Muhammad was even dead.
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Oct 21, 2023 10:54
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Stultus Maximus posted:and the Arabs who read Protocols unironically (and there are lots) will never believe it isn’t a Jewish plot. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:And why did you feel the need to smear Palestinians in that particular way? The Hamas Charter literally quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Mahmoud Abbas has made Holocaust denial his scholarly lifetime work. A bent towards conspiracy theories among the Palestinian leadership is well documented. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 21, 2023 11:30
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And because of this Israel can do a little ethnic cleansing, as a treat? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kchama posted:What an impressively awful post. I didn’t know those were the only people who mattered. Everyone who matters to affecting the situation. You don't. I don't. The people living there and influencing policy and reactions do. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Proud Christian Mom posted:And because of this Israel can do a little ethnic cleansing, as a treat? e: not even my problem. peace be with you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Oct 21, 2023 12:51
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Proud Christian Mom posted:And because of this Israel can do a little ethnic cleansing, as a treat? why yes, pointing out anything wrong some nationality has done justifies ethnic cleansing and genocide, you cracked the code
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Oct 21, 2023 13:01
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I think the origins of Hamas and their beliefs not representing Palestinians as a whole, and not being a great justification for Israel's actions/reactions have been pointed out before, do we need to re-hash this yet again? Its pretty circular, both sides racism and targeting of civilians very bad. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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i thought the point of this thread was to very explicitly not have d&d style slapfights and gotchas and similar bullshit (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 21, 2023 16:35
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Lum_ posted:The Hamas Charter literally quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Mahmoud Abbas has made Holocaust denial his scholarly lifetime work. A bent towards conspiracy theories among the Palestinian leadership is well documented. What I was responding to was a post carrying the message that knowing who committed an atrocity is irrelevant because the nation doing a genocide don't care, and Arabs are racists. He didn't mention Hamas, or even Palestinians. Just Arabs. Which is a hosed thing to say before you even get to the part where the rest of the world is excluded from the list of interested parties. Kith posted:i thought the point of this thread was to very explicitly not have d&d style slapfights and gotchas and similar bullshit It becomes hard to stick to that when someone decides to use Nothing Matters and some racism to distract from and dismiss actual independent academic evidence of what's happening when people provide it. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Antisemitic attitudes are shockingly high in Arabic countries. This is just a fact, bud. https://global100.adl.org/map
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I want to propose a question / filter for discussion about racial prejudice in I/P context: In what way does the racial prejudice that you want to post about affect the acceptability of violence visited upon the civilian population in question, whether Israeli or Palestinian noncombatant civilians? Is there a way in which, for example, the Protocols remarks above affect the way in which a neutrally-toned thread ought to steer discussion about attacks on civilians? Is there any difference in how an Arabic man who regurgitates Protocols ought to be treated from how we treat an American who regurgitates the same? This isn't a hypothetical, rhetorical question: we just left a 20 year long war and occupation where severe racial prejudices have become embedded in non-trivial fractions of both parties' cultures. A discussion on the matter of war and racial prejudice can rapidly turn inward. {Edit: actually that discussion frequently does, in fact, rapidly turn inward, and that horse has been dissected, beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten over and over so many times....} What's the point of it, if it can't add meaningfully anything to our understanding of what's transpiring? To wit, "yeah no poo poo, varying peoples practicing Abrahamic faiths are at each other's throats in the Middle East." Woohoo. How is that remotely novel? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Christ, I can't remember the last time I had to carpet bomb a page like that. Don't PM me, I don't care, they're all sixers. (Edit: Actually one of y'all's queued for more) Don't say racist poo poo, if you're going to make comments about commonly held beliefs in a community without some solid sources I'm going to assume you're saying racist poo poo. If another poster said something you disagree with, either refute it like a grown up, or if it's offensive, IDK report it or reach out to a mod / IK. Thank you.
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Israel have kindly let a whole 20 trucks of aid through. It's a start, but christ that's a drop in the bucket
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Israel have kindly let a whole 20 trucks of aid through. It's a start, but christ that's a drop in the bucket Apparently it was enough water for ~20k people, for one day. It is a start though. That and the US negotiating (via Qatar) with Hamas. Israel came out with the attitude of no demands, no negotiation, we're going to kill of you (Hamas members). Seeing some weakening on these statements is encouraging to me.
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Lum_ posted:A bent towards conspiracy theories among the Palestinian leadership is well documented. FrozenVent posted:Don't say racist poo poo, if you're going to make comments about commonly held beliefs in a community without some solid sources I'm going to assume you're saying racist poo poo. I would normally let this pass but given an IK just put a "don't post racist poo poo" note on my profile, this makes me unhappy for some reason! So, sources: Lum_ posted:The Hamas Charter literally quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Hamas Covenant: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm quote:For Zionist scheming has no end, and after Palestine they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates. Only when they have completed digesting the area on which they will have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion, etc. Their scheme has been laid out in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present [conduct] is the the best proof of what is said there. (ok, so it doesn't quote from it, it merely cites it as proof. so much better.) Lum_ posted:Mahmoud Abbas has made Holocaust denial his scholarly lifetime work. Abbas' PhD thesis: The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism quote:Abbas' Holocaust revisionism [in his thesis] does not deny that the Holocaust happened or that it is one of the worst crimes in history. The question he raises is who is guilty of this crime and that blaming the Nazis is only "half the truth". According to Abbas, the Zionists collaborated in killing a large number of European Jews in order to encourage the rest to embrace Zionism and emigrate to Palestine. From a recent speech this year: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/07/palestinian-president-condemned-mahmoud-abbas-holocaust-remarks quote:Palestine’s president has drawn angry condemnation from US, German and Israeli officials for comments in which he suggested that Nazi Germany had murdered 6 million Jews during the Holocaust for their “social role” as money lenders, not because they were Jewish. Note: I am *not* asserting that all Arabs are anti-semitic, or that this justifies what's currently happening in Gaza, or indeed that there isn't a deep undercurrent of Islamophobia and anti-Arab racism in Israeli discourse (there absolutely is). I merely responded to another poster who expressed disbelief that the Palestinian leadership indulged in conspiracy theories. As shown above, this is not "saying racist poo poo", it's recounting documented fact. Yes, I am mad online, please put in the papers that I am mad.
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