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Android Apocalypse posted:You're right about 10mm rifle rounds existing, but they'd be even bigger than 5.56 so the idea of 100 of them in something the size of 5 iPhones taped together is The idea of a standard-issue automatic rifle using Mauser rounds is making me giggle a bit. Sure, the first round is probably on-target…anything past that is off with the lord in the skies above 
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Small Strange Bird posted:I always took that as there having been a North Korea-style revaluation of currency following massive inflation, so 100 old dollars is one adjusted dollar, or something. This is interesting and kinda what I was thinking too. However the "adjusted" part I always took to mean they adjusted the value to what it would have been worth with 57 years of inflation added on.
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It's not US Dollars, it's 70 million UN Dollars. They are very different currencies
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I just assumed they 'adjusted' it for Ripley, because there's been a 57 year gap between the incident and the hearing. The amount is an Austin Powers style error by the script.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I won't continue the Alan Moore derail any further, beyond saying that while I couldn't disagree more with this post, this isn't really the right thread for a deep dive into this topic. Moore owns and is worth a million whiny nerds and corpo hacks pissed he walked away to focus on art that interests him and won't cater to them any more, dude's a legend.
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Modal Auxiliary posted:All in all I think it's a pretty mixed bag. The assembly cut fixes a lot of pacing issues and fleshes things out a bit more, but the awesome performances and sets just weren't enough to offset the nightmare production. 5/10. This echoes my feelings about Alien 3; the assembly cut fleshes things out but it doesn't fundamentally fix the movie's core issues. That said, I'm really surprised the movie came out as well as it did with all of the behind the scenes fuckery and script rewrites.
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Android Apocalypse posted:If we're going to nitpick the weapons of Aliens even as a kid I recognized that a pulse rifle holding about 100 rounds in a magazine that size was kinda ludicrous. Really more of a carbine IMO - something rifle sized firing pistol ammo with the appreciable uptick in muzzle velocity from the longer barrel Also MrMojok posted:This post and the following discussion reminds me of something I saw on Facebook last night (which was probably written by one of you):  IIRC modern nuclear power plants are effectively immune to terrorist attacks, because the amount of explosives it would take to effectively damage one is nonsensical
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Ammo and the pulse rifles operate on the same logic as marines and the APC where you're ducking your head to climb inside and all of a sudden it's the size of my living room.
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I've seen the aircraft tug model they used to make the APC out of and unless they lengthened and raised it significantly there's no way they're getting a squad of marines plus the mobile command center inside of it. Still looks badass though
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Android Apocalypse posted:Also the drop ship having space for the APC and the missile racks it deploys is not really possible. I had the MicroMachines toy and unless I'm misremembering it fit a small toy car just fine with the missile racks folded in. They look like they're inside the body but they're actually just on either side of the cargo bay.
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Mister Speaker posted:I had the MicroMachines toy and unless I'm misremembering it fit a small toy car just fine with the missile racks folded in. They look like they're inside the body but they're actually just on either side of the cargo bay. This is correct, NECA did a small dropship as well that came with a little scale APC that did the same thing.
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Mister Speaker posted:I had the MicroMachines toy and unless I'm misremembering it fit a small toy car just fine with the missile racks folded in. They look like they're inside the body but they're actually just on either side of the cargo bay. Yeah, the dropship was basically a bumpy space Huey, with external missile racks folded up during reentry. The thing you really gotta ask is where's the fuel? Even if the engines are air-gobbling nuclear thrusters, it would need some reaction mass for orbital travel.
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MrMojok posted:This post and the following discussion reminds me of something I saw on Facebook last night (which was probably written by one of you): I have a counter argument to that guy. It's a movie and we have no idea how any of that stuff truly works or is actually made because it's not real. 
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Yeah only nerds like us pick up on that stuff. But one thing I always did wonder just because the sound design in this movie is incredible (and in the first movie too) is why the pulse rifle fires at different pitches, like at the end with Ripley in the Queen's lair. Just a Doppler effect? Sounds like it corresponds with ammo count. I can't think of another blockbuster that has such iconic sound design, except for Star wars, which has probably the most recognizable sounds in cinema. I use the motion tracker scenes in my music appreciation classes to show how rising pitch increases tension and stress. Even when it's just online and not picking up any movement it still sounds like a heart beat.
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zenguitarman posted:Yeah only nerds like us pick up on that stuff. But one thing I always did wonder just because the sound design in this movie is incredible (and in the first movie too) is why the pulse rifle fires at different pitches, like at the end with Ripley in the Queen's lair. Just a Doppler effect? Sounds like it corresponds with ammo count. Someone told me once that the pitched pulse rifle sound was "actually the un-overdubbed sound of blanks firing cyclic, because blanks aren't filled with precise amounts of powder like an actual round, each blank round's report can be a slightly different pitch" which you would only notice hearing bursts or cyclic fire. But apparently that's total bullshit and it's probably just a flanger effect - maybe even a cheap guitar pedal - applied to regular gun sounds. What I want to know more about is the xenomorph sound design. In Aliens they sound kind of like elephants, but there's other stuff mixed in there too. Alien and monster vocalizations in general are something I find fascinating and as a sound designer myself, getting visceral and in-your-face monster sounds is something that's eluded me for a while. I understand it's usually sample-based; several different animal sounds combined, but how they're combined often sounds more complicated than simply layering and fading between them. It's interesting how sound design palettes are both a product of their time, and shared across music and other media. If you play Mass Effect 3, or watch Terminator Salvation (don't do the latter just watch some clips) which came out in 2012 and 2009 respectively, go check out some dubstep/drum & bass from the same timeframe. Both absolutely reek of the same synthesis tools that are the signature of those music genres; Native Instruments Massive/FM8, formant oscillators, AM/ringmod, etc.
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The pulse rifle & smartgun sound effects are iconic in their own right, and when watching Alien 3 where they just sound like regular guns is such a  .
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Android Apocalypse posted:The pulse rifle & smartgun sound effects are iconic in their own right, and when watching Alien 3 where they just sound like regular guns is such a There's pulse rifles and smart guns in Alien 3?
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I have a counter argument to that guy. Yeah, this is my feeling. e: Mister Speaker posted:What I want to know more about is the xenomorph sound design. In Aliens they sound kind of like elephants, but there's other stuff mixed in there too. Alien and monster vocalizations in general are something I find fascinating and as a sound designer myself, getting visceral and in-your-face monster sounds is something that's eluded me for a while. I understand it's usually sample-based; several different animal sounds combined, but how they're combined often sounds more complicated than simply layering and fading between them. This isn’t Aliens-related, but it’s very cool. Based on what you’ve written I’m guessing you’ve already seen it, but I will link it anyway on the chance you haven’t https://youtu.be/M0iSCfmIdqg?si=Uyp40ruwNfjJ89XH MrMojok fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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Android Apocalypse posted:The pulse rifle & smartgun sound effects are iconic in their own right, and when watching Alien 3 where they just sound like regular guns is such a  jobs like the Alien 3 pulse rifles or the Lawgivers from both Judge Dredd movies, which just sound like scifigunshot.mp3 from a stock library.
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I believe there's a pulse rifle at the end when Weyland-Yutani comes to get Ripley. It's used to kill 85. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vbfkRB6gQ
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Android Apocalypse posted:I believe there's a pulse rifle at the end when Weyland-Yutani comes to get Ripley. It's used to kill 85. Oh ya, that could be. Its a pretty short shot of the gun firing, but it is very generic sounding.
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I'd have to go back and check again but I think the Making Of Aliens book James Cameron created the smart gun SFX on synthesizer, spending days making the perfect sound while James Horner was having a nervous breakdown.
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So I rewatched Alien 3 recently, and realised that the Warden's office and the morgue's metal stairwell looked mighty familiar. I could be wrong about this but it looks like they were reused in American Horror Story season 2, for the asylum setting. Particularly the Doctor's office and main entrance stairwell, respectively. I can't find anything linking the two together, but I do know that larger/more elaborate sets just get thrown into storage and thought that would be a nifty little tid-bit, if true.
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Mister Speaker posted:Someone told me once that the pitched pulse rifle sound was "actually the un-overdubbed sound of blanks firing cyclic, because blanks aren't filled with precise amounts of powder like an actual round, each blank round's report can be a slightly different pitch" which you would only notice hearing bursts or cyclic fire. But apparently that's total bullshit and it's probably just a flanger effect - maybe even a cheap guitar pedal - applied to regular gun sounds. Isn't the whole idea behind the varying amounts of powder is to make more energetic and animated muzzle flashes? The differing pitches is just a side-effect.
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Blanks need a minimum amount of powder to make sure the gun cycles correctly, and having too wide of a load range could cause issues with your blank fire adapter (to the point that if it's too "hot" you risk blowing the adapter off). I'm sure they tweaked the gun shots in post production by adding some effects.
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zenguitarman posted:Ammo and the pulse rifles operate on the same logic as marines and the APC where you're ducking your head to climb inside and all of a sudden it's the size of my living room. The name "pulse rifle" and the 100 ammo count made me asdume that the weapons in aliens was some sort of energy/laser/plasma type thing
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The first time I understood sound design was as a child seeing Raiders in the cinema. The gunshots were punchy, powerful, and threatening compared to other movies.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The name "pulse rifle" and the 100 ammo count made me asdume that the weapons in aliens was some sort of energy/laser/plasma type thing At some point in the pre-production, they were. I know that the Smartgun design was originally going to be some sort of infantry laser. You can still see some of the details in the finished design, like the chainsaw grip having extraneous buttons: they were meant to adjust beam width and intensity.
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redshirt posted:I really enjoyed it. It was weird and strange and different. What did you hate about it? while visual interesting, its handling of race, bigotry and policing were tonedeaf and genuinely prevented me from enjoying it. I don't want to poo poo up the thread more about an unrelated show anymore though Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Nov 6, 2023 |
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Sounds chat is particularly relevant at the moment after seeing the Robocop demo, which gets everything else right (the music, the footsteps, the targeting HUD, the sense of being a walking fridge exploding perps’ nuts and heads) but somehow has hosed up Robo’s pistol sound, it just sounds like generic gunshot FX 009. Like, how do you get everything else right then gently caress that up?
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On the subject of the very distinct sounds of pulse rifles and smartguns, despite its many, many faults, Aliens Colonial Marines absolutely nailed the sound design.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Has a predator ever fought an engineer? Every night in my dreams.
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It would be cool if a group of predators pick a fight with an engineer only to find they are completely outmatched, his tech is way beyond theirs and he's more adept a fighter. Oh gently caress, we bit off more than we can chew this time boys!
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WHY BONER NOW posted:It would be cool if a group of predators pick a fight with an engineer only to find they are completely outmatched, his tech is way beyond theirs and he's more adept a fighter. Oh gently caress, we bit off more than we can chew this time boys! The Hunter has become the Hunted....
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redshirt posted:The Hunter has become the Hunted.... The hunters have become the hunteders.
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