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PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.

30.5 Days posted:

Do they really have so little content? Seems like if you're making EQ style grind, you could add a remort function and it wouldn't take much content to feed the beast more or less indefinitely.

Yes because they keep having to refactor everything every few months for new engine changes. The game actually has less playable content now than it did years ago.

Currently playable areas: Thronefast with Goblin caves

Not currently playable areas but areas where play testing has previously been shown / PA sessions took place in:
Avendyr's Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQXvhA95oQ&t=2179s
Halnir Cave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5-PxulcBo
Whatever this tutorial zone was supposed to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ZHEi-zh_s
Amberfaet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIqZEMCC5nA
Blackrose Keep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwEiwRLQzTU
Whatever this dungeon was called
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucyu2Ib81Co
Wizard Tower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_epQH3HW-x4

PrinnySquad fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Oct 19, 2023

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blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


if your eq clone needs more content just make some half assed too-hard zones out of whatever assets you have lying around, might as well also clone the eq content development process as well

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

from the comments on this article:

https://www.mmorpg.com/news/pantheo...heon-2000129177

leaked teams chat where VR fired their community manager Kilsin:



And messages from discord where Kilsin started airing VR's dirty laundry:







Cardboard Fox
Feb 8, 2009

[Tentatively Excited]
drat, getting fired over Teams text chat after 10 years at the company? That's a new one for me.

Why would anyone want to work in the games industry?

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.
Did they seriously fire Kilsin for mentioning 247 on Reddit a week or 2 before they officially publicly announced it?

shirunei
Sep 7, 2018

I tried to run away. To take the easy way out. I'll live through the suffering. When I die, I want to feel like I did my best.
Dude is surprised his do nothing position that he has been collecting a check for is getting cut off once someone in charge of finances took a look.

shirunei fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 19, 2023

Sachant
Apr 27, 2011

Firing Kilsin is probably the only good thing they've done recently. Dude just was not a good CM or whatever he was doing at the time.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

I'm more of an introverted and reserved kind of Community Manager.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
Why would you work for profit sharing but not have any kind of vesting schedule, just a handshake that if you still work here when we start making money you'll get some, probably

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
I mean I did that at technic because I'm a loving idiot but like, it took me 2 years to figure out that was a bad idea, not TEN

onesixtwo
Apr 27, 2014

Don't you realize that being nice just makes you get hurt?
Just yet another reminder that this entire project was based on hopes and dreams, and a fully volunteer staffed development team to start. Also they solicited for backers to volunteer and help out and… that is how we got to today. The previous product this team put out was some kind of bible MMO game before they were recruited by Brad. To work for free, out of a garage.

The old threads for this project are honestly worth a read. Especially if you gave them money without knowing about them, frankly. This has been a long but quiet fart for a long time.

onesixtwo fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Oct 20, 2023

Arawn
Jul 5, 2020

Cardboard Fox posted:

I just don't understand.

Why is it so hard to just recreate Everquest in 2020? Why can no team seem to be able to do what young college-level kids did 20 years ago with none of the experience, money, or technology?

Nor nothing to copy. Lmao. You would think having the game itself you would base it on be any kind of influence, but instead, new games can't beat nor replace old MMORPG (I'm still waiting for something that really can beat prime DAoC). Same goes for Eve

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


i look forward to playing monsters and memories in like 2 years and having people in my group say they're just playing m&m until pantheon comes out

cmdrk
Jun 10, 2013
that's exactly the sort of poo poo people are saying about Quarm EQ.

i like that MnM is the scrappy indie holdover game until the big professional AAA indie Pantheon arrives.

PyRosflam
Aug 11, 2007
The good, The bad, Im the one with the gun.
At this point I assume some unknown game will happen first.

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcLSEBo2-s


Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012




Going through all this random nonsense to prepare and step through a portal only to use a level 1 spell that deals 2 damage to a flittering bat is just so loving funny. they couldn't help but create a video that highlights exactly why old school MMO and tarkovlike are the two least compatible game types ever

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

https://www.pantheonmmo.com/newsletter/_2023/october/

I don't even know what to copy. the whole thing is pretty stupid lol.

I liked this part a lot

"On the first point, development of Pantheon is not stopping in any way, shape or form. The content that is used in 247 is the Pantheon world and game. In fact, should 247 prove to be popular with players, it could become a model for Pantheon’s PvP mode, available to all Pantheon players at any time. The estimated additional work for 247 that is not usable for Pantheon as an MMO is estimated at around 5-10%. The projects are designed to work together in tandem, symbiotically.

As to the challenge of maintaining 247 alongside Pantheon: if 247 cannot bring in revenue that will allow us to add enough resources to maintain it and Pantheon as an MMO, then it will not be an avenue worth pursuing. However, if a larger audience can be reached, potential for funding increases. This is an important consideration."

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.
A lot of broken dreams in that YouTube comments section.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

PrinnySquad posted:

A lot of broken dreams in that YouTube comments section.

pretty good zinger here tho

Themoor
May 15, 2020
Rest in Piss Pantheon

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.
Old post that someone on Reddit dug up, aged very well.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011




this is fuckin' grim

Verbose
Apr 23, 2006

Mike believed in the shooting star, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then,but that's no matter. Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther... and then one fine morning-
So we beat on, subs against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
So is this better or worse than Shroud of the Avatar?

hobocrunch
Mar 11, 2008

I'm walkin' here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDiMF_qXrw

Even their community manager is struggling to ask the questions in a way that doesn't have them come off sounding like this poo poo is all about to implode on them. At this point it's actually kind of hilarious that they some how managed to take "realistic down to earth old style MMORPG" and flip it into a "Cartoony fortnight kiddy battle royale"

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Verbose posted:

So is this better or worse than Shroud of the Avatar?
Did the lead dev try to auction off literal vials of his own blood before he died in a cocaine storm? If he didn't, then it's still not as bad as Shroud.

Givin
Jan 24, 2008
Givin of the Internet Hates You
If I were a billionaire, I'd refund everyone who donated to this scam so they could erase the sin and get into heaven when they die to kick Brad in the balls.

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.

hobocrunch posted:


Even their community manager is struggling to ask the questions in a way that doesn't have them come off sounding like this poo poo is all about to implode on them. At this point it's actually kind of hilarious that they some how managed to take "realistic down to earth old style MMORPG" and flip it into a "Cartoony fortnight kiddy battle royale"

They were 3 more complete art revamps away from circling back around to something that actually fits their theoretical product.

Cardboard Fox
Feb 8, 2009

[Tentatively Excited]
I'm beginning to think that these fallen are never rising....

Verbose
Apr 23, 2006

Mike believed in the shooting star, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then,but that's no matter. Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther... and then one fine morning-
So we beat on, subs against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Did the lead dev try to auction off literal vials of his own blood before he died in a cocaine storm? If he didn't, then it's still not as bad as Shroud.

Shroud was a playable game at least

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Did the lead dev try to auction off literal vials of his own blood before he died in a cocaine storm? If he didn't, then it's still not as bad as Shroud.

Richard Garriott sold vials of his own blood and he is not dead don't troll me like this

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


maybe if the pantheon dev team can sell enough vials of lord british's blood they can turn things around

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Why did Garriott have to do the blood thing? He was rich as gently caress from the NCSoft debacle.

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.

Verbose posted:

Shroud was a playable game at least

Well you can currently play in a single zone as one race up to level 15 on half the classes in their Tarkov mode. So essentially a finished product :shepface:

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.

Groovelord Neato posted:

Why did Garriott have to do the blood thing? He was rich as gently caress from the NCSoft debacle.

The way rich people get rich and stay that way now a days is by spending other peoples money. They never let a dime of their own go regardless of how good the idea they are promoting is.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



dont worry everyone, the pantheon dev team has produced some new screenshots of skeletons. groundbreaking stuff, the community is very excited about it

https://www.pantheonmmo.com/media/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PantheonMMO/comments/17kq19h/new_screenshots_happy_halloween/

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

happy halloween from all of us at visionary realms

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


pantheon? more like scam-theon

PrinnySquad
Sep 20, 2008

It really isn't that complicated.
Oh hey they snuck a Wild's End screenshot in there. First time we've seen anything beyond a vague concept for a place outside Thronefast in like... 2 years?

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Cutedge
Mar 13, 2006

How can we lose so much more than we had before

https://massivelyop.com/2023/11/14/kickstarted-mmorpg-pantheon-cancels-247-extraction-mode-we-have-damaged-your-trust/

:rubby:

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