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GoldStandardConure posted:they are all about as insane as the bluey groups talked about in that article, i am sure there would be a lot of cooked poo poo you could filter through for your thesis (please don't take this as me dismissing your ideas on where this started it and what is currently causing it) rock bottom turned really terfy then racist this year. it was always a bit edgy but took it from a 6 to 36
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birdstrike posted:rock bottom turned really terfy then racist this year. it was always a bit edgy but took it from a 6 to 36 thats a lot of years to be reading rock bottom
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Shitcunts.co.uk posted:Sam Newman calls for an end to 'divisive' Aboriginal symbols in wake of the failure of Voice referendum Thank god the progressive no won.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:/W7iQxMS.jpg[/timg] I would totally bike from Penrith to Parramatta for work every day. Would be quicker than sitting on the loving traffic I sit in.
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hooman posted:Thank god the progressive no won. fuckin hell man I don't even have the proper words for this poo poo
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so, um, we going to do anything about the housing crisis in this country or what?
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hooman posted:Thank god the progressive no won. They didnt vote racistly, they just voted with racists. Sure the effect is exactly the same, however
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:so, um, we going to do anything about the housing crisis in this country or what? no, culture wars take priority now
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Gorfob posted:I would totally bike from Penrith to Parramatta for work every day. Would be quicker than sitting on the loving traffic I sit in. Do it via e-Bike and that will take you an hour and a bit even with some of the detours and back street runs you need to do that link bike paths. The M4's breakdown after St Marys is a gazetted bike path which actually isnt as bad as it sounds, the main issue is roadside debris. It is a fair bit quicker. The main problem with Penrith - Parramatta is the "offical" bike way is the loving Great Western Highway which I have got no loving clue why Bicycle NSW and the other bike lobby groups agreed to THAT, that is a genuine dont loving ride there. They should have replicated the M7 Cycleway along the M4 when they did the widening works. Waht a stupid missed opportunity and AFAIK there *was* plans to do that except the Roads and Transport people pushed back hard on it because "suitible alternatives existed as suggested to us by Bicycle NSW" and just WHAT THE gently caress NO. TBH the first things I would do to fix Sydney cycling is get rid of the present lobby groups and tell Clover Moore to take a hike because she is clueless as well (Most of the City of Syndey paths are just dumb) - and then get cyclist who actually ride everyday to fix this convoluted poo poo.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:so, um, we going to do anything about the housing crisis in this country or what? those who don't have homes aren't working hard enough, is the official line I believe
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Megillah Gorilla posted:They didnt vote racistly, they just voted with racists. i dont really see the point of getting wound up about this given the 'progressive no voters' were a tiny minority and the overwhelming opposition from regressive no voters kind of drives home their point that systemic racism is so entrenched in this country that electorialism probably cant fix it
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Because I saw the exact same bullshit with marriage equality and it pisses me off.
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i suggest you direct your anger at the aforementioned systemic racism if you want to do anything except impotently rage although if thats your thing more power to you a key difference is that despite both campaigns being largely taken over by political misinformation one of them actually had a clear majority of support and one of them didnt and i think answering the uncomfortable question of why that is will make for better informed political engagement Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:a key difference is that despite both campaigns being largely taken over by political misinformation one of them actually had a clear majority of support and one of them didnt The Indigenous Voice To Parliament used to have a clear majority of support up until just a few months before the referendum date, according to all the polls:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_Australian_Indigenous_Voice_referendum E: note that before the federal election in '22 it was polling the same way, it would have looked like an easy win for the ALP E2: for comparison, polls on same sex marriage were ~60% yes, ~30-35% no and ~5-10% undecided from 2007 right up until the vote in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_Australia#Summary_table Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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yeah and i think even with hindsight requiring a clear referendum majority to constitutionally enshrine it was at worst somewhat overconfident and at best a reasonable call, but i would make the argument simply blaming lidia thorpes powers of persuasion or a hostile press or even the pitiful yes campaign is counterproductive in any kind of meaningful analysis of why the voice actually failed. and fwiw i dont think its necessarily relevant to compare those two sets of data given the undecided pollees was much higher than the same sex marriage plebecite. Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Oct 21, 2023 |
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:and fwiw i dont think its necessarily relevant to compare those two sets of data given the undecided pollees was much higher than the same sex marriage plebecite. Even when you take the undecided voters into account the support for the Voice was ~55-60% in the early days, so at least 20% of the population flipped from yes to no at some point. There's been a few polls asking why people switched to no:  https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/voice-support-falls-as-frustration-and-familiarity-rise-20230924-p5e73t ... but I don't put a lot of faith in people answering that question with complete honesty or serious self-reflection. The top response doesn't even make sense, people could still vote yes even if they thought other issues had higher priority.
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it's because there was no real loud public opposition to it until early this year really, but once the no campaign made themselves heard and the libs committed to strongly opposing it that changed a lot of people's minds, when before it could just poll at ~60% purely on the vibes
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Non Compos Mentis posted:no, culture wars take priority now Yeah the voice was a huge waste of time when everyone is suffering from insane inflation.
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JBP posted:Yeah the voice was a huge waste of time when everyone is suffering from insane inflation. Really not sure a lot of First Nations people would feel this way tbh
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Speaking about suffering, for anyone wanting to indulge in some hate-reading the ABC has done a puff piece on the suffering of landlords, where everyone recognises that younger people are 'locked out of the market', but come on fair go for landlords... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-22/victoria-landlords-investment-properties-selling-rentals-taxes/103002408 ABC posted:
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SecretOfSteel posted:Speaking about suffering, for anyone wanting to indulge in some hate-reading the ABC has done a puff piece on the suffering of landlords, where everyone recognises that younger people are 'locked out of the market', but come on fair go for landlords... This is such poo poo reporting "We can safely assume that those properties have been removed from the rental market," Nicola McDougall said. This position is backed by the Real Estate Institute of Victoria, which says a historically high number of new sale listings are likely to have been rental properties. AHURI's Michael Fotheringham said it was "simplistic" to assume the properties are passing from investors to owner-occupiers, given home ownership remains out of reach for many. So homes are being sold, getting removed from the rental market, but owner occupiers aren't buying them because they are too expensive, so I guess the houses are just sitting empty?
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Recoome posted:Really not sure a lot of First Nations people would feel this way tbh It wasn't a waste of time?
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JBP posted:It wasn't a waste of time? Another classic post by the Australian Three Olives
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Palestine solidarity march here in Melbourne has been walking past my building for ages now. This is like one of the biggest rallies I've ever seen in my life. Unless they're going in a loop around my block but theres just so many people.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:i suggest you direct your anger at the aforementioned systemic racism if you want to do anything except impotently rage although if thats your thing more power to you But I can't punch systemic racism, I can sure as hell punch an old man
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I get they don't actually mean it and they just can't say what they want to, but why is divisiveness actually supposed to be bad? The 'divisiveness' they're talking about (making it easier for a minority get their opinions heard/become more visible in the general discussion) is obviously a good thing but if they reframe is as 'divisiveness' that makes it sound like a bad thing. They're appropriating a buzzword because it makes a good soundbyte even if it doesn't make any sense, same as "So much for the tolerant left!" etc etc. Division is bad! If you support them then you support divisiveness, didn't you say you hate divisiveness???? So much for the inclusive left! Pushing the 'threat' of divisiveness is an old old conservative tactic, here's a pamphlet from the 1910s urging people not to support women's suffrage for the same reason:  It'll cause competition (divisiveness)!! It's all just a waste of money! Some women oppose this measure and we have to listen to them as well! Vague bad things could happen?!?? My favourite reason there is "80% of women are married so the can only double up on their husband's vote or cancel it out!" Uh, yes? That's how democracy works, people vote on stuff? These fucker have been gishgalloping for a long time.
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GoldStandardConure posted:being under petticoat rule sounds rad as gently caress, where do i sign up? Oh yeah that's another tactic, the old "But what if they get in charge and treat us the same way we treated them?" bullshit we saw in the lead up to the referendum with all the bizarre conspiracies that the Voice would mean that white Australians would lose their backyards or wouldn't be allowed to visit the beach
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Captain Theron posted:The progressive no may not have been the reason for the no victory, but it certainly helped provide cover for racists, and makes it harder to openly confront the systemic problems that defeated the voice. Yeah it was gross as gently caress. I agreed with everything that Lidia Thorpe was saying about the voice, about the process and that the government should have pulled the pin on it. However, I disagreed with her conclusion that it was better to vote no. There are always going to be voices who are working against progress, but as a progressive the least you can do is not give them cover.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I get they don't actually mean it and they just can't say what they want to, but why is divisiveness actually supposed to be bad? Some people want yes, and some people want no, this creates an argument, and arguments are unpleasant. We should all just do what they want, then everything will be fine. It's textbook abusive behaviour.
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Lmao so after being in processing since may, and jumping through endless hoops and month long silences, including having to perform mutual obligation hamster wheel poo poo for literally nothing, centerlink just rejected my claim today for no given reason. Best I can figure is they slipped an extra task into my queue without informing me anywhere (because i guess its also my responsibility to be just refreshing my 5 month old claim status every day now as opposed to something ridiculous like sending me a text or an email or even an internal mygov message lol) and used that as an excuse to kill my claim. Literally had to happen the week I'm about to land a new job too jist as one final insult i guess. Really cannot be understated how much the system has gone from malicious to flat out non functional in the past year lol.
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I have been out doorknocking the last maybe 5 or so weeks for a friend who was running for city council, results came back today and they got elected! Yay! Megachud Basil got re-elected as Mayor of Perth, which is less good.
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^^^ I hope that oval office falls down an open manhole.The Divine Orator posted:Lmao so after being in processing since may, and jumping through endless hoops and month long silences, including having to perform mutual obligation hamster wheel poo poo for literally nothing, centerlink just rejected my claim today for no given reason. Best I can figure is they slipped an extra task into my queue without informing me anywhere (because i guess its also my responsibility to be just refreshing my 5 month old claim status every day now as opposed to something ridiculous like sending me a text or an email or even an internal mygov message lol) and used that as an excuse to kill my claim. Literally had to happen the week I'm about to land a new job too jist as one final insult i guess. Really cannot be understated how much the system has gone from malicious to flat out non functional in the past year lol. 1. That loving sucks, centrelink is a nightmare to deal with and stacked with nothing but overworked people and broken systems. 2. We regret to inform you the non-functionality is also malice.
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