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Demiurge4 posted:Nah it was just a nice to have. I did get both volume 1 and 2 in hardcover though. Alright, that's something at least. At least you don't have to worry about seeing an empty spot where Vol.1 would be!
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Cant believe I have to do this bullshit at least one more time for vol 3. What a stupid system.
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Angron going "and then I SHALL BE THE ONE TO STEP FOOT ON TERRA FIRST" half a dozen times only to be told "uh actually" by various people over and over again in a really short span of time and then proceeding to run around the Conqueror bopping heads into mist with Khârn sprinting after him practically going "well this isn't good, nevertheless BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" is maybe the funniest thing in the Heresy.
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There's a free extract for EatD vol 2 on the BL site. Scroll down and there's epub/mobi options next to the summary. https://www.blacklibrary.com/the-horus-heresy/featured/ebook-the-end-and-the-death-volume-ii-eng-2023.html
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Pyrolocutus posted:There's a free extract for EatD vol 2 on the BL site. Scroll down and there's epub/mobi options next to the summary. Ah, sick
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Did he do a title drop in the first book as well? I feel like it but I cant remember exactly.
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Syncopated posted:Did he do a title drop in the first book as well? I feel like it but I can’t remember exactly. I'm imagining Sanguinius turning to Valdor outside Horus' lair and going "this truly is the Horus Heresy: The Siege of Terra: The End and the Death Volume 2"
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Syncopated posted:Did he do a title drop in the first book as well? I feel like it but I cant remember exactly. Yes
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Syncopated posted:Did he do a title drop in the first book as well? I feel like it but I cant remember exactly. Over and over. Samus, Malcador, the Emperor himself when he calls out Horus and kicks into high gear, and the Pantheon goes wild, they love to see it folks, and some others in the various Fragment sections I think. Edit: a quick check shows only five, and two of those are Samus in the prologue, the fifth one being from Oll. I could have sworn there were more. It's not quite to the level of wet leopard-growl I guess. Kylaer fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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found this old link, its real interesting and cool https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Blackcurrant91/The_Grand_Warhammer_Cosmology. I think the Emperor is the only human to grasp the skein and higher dimensions, recalling his conversation with Sanguinius about his visions and their outcomes. He wants to own all of the threads and eventualities and drive humanity to an outcome where they get to exit their realm into a safer space like the webway Waroduce fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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I'm actually pretty sure at this point that the big reveal is gonna be that the Emperor never ascended to godhood and that it's actually Malcador's spirit doing all the divine poo poo in the 41st millenium. Every character only starts getting direct guidance and super powers once he's on the throne.
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I dont know if were going to get a huge twist that inverts the entire common understanding of the Heresy, but if we do, my guess is the Chaos Gods apparent plan to empower Horus to ascend as the Dark King is a fake-out; their real plan is to force the Emperor to become the Dark King, by pushing him to call on all of his Warp powers to fight Horus while in the warp nexus that the Vengeful Spirit has become. Horus is the sacrifice that will lead to the ascension of the Dark King, and that was the intent all along. It doesnt matter to the Chaos Gods if the Emperor kills Horus, because the Chaos Gods only care that the Dark King comes into existence, they dont care who it is. And it almost works, but something happens at the last moment (probably involving Ollanius) that allows the Emperor to fight off that ascension. The Golden Throne isnt just meant to keep the Emperor alive - its a trap designed to keep him from transforming the rest of the way into the Dark King. That could mean that Valdors plan in M41 is to somehow prevent the Emperors transformation from the other end, maybe attacking the Dark King in the Warp.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I dont know if were going to get a huge twist that inverts the entire common understanding of the Heresy, but if we do, my guess is the Chaos Gods apparent plan to empower Horus to ascend as the Dark King is a fake-out; their real plan is to force the Emperor to become the Dark King, by pushing him to call on all of his Warp powers to fight Horus while in the warp nexus that the Vengeful Spirit has become. Horus is the sacrifice that will lead to the ascension of the Dark King, and that was the intent all along. It doesnt matter to the Chaos Gods if the Emperor kills Horus, because the Chaos Gods only care that the Dark King comes into existence, they dont care who it is. And it almost works, but something happens at the last moment (probably involving Ollanius) that allows the Emperor to fight off that ascension. The Golden Throne isnt just meant to keep the Emperor alive - its a trap designed to keep him from transforming the rest of the way into the Dark King. I feel like this is almost text at this point, there's a reason TEaTD 1 includes a scene where a Age Of Strife warlord starts with the best intentions and ends up with human sacrifice to fuel his power because guess what EDIT: actually it might be Saturnine that has that scene but the point stands EDIT 2: it's Master of Mankind and here's the relevant passage: Aaron Dembski-Bowden: Master of Mankind posted:I met him long before he was the priest-king, the Emperor said. He began as a holy man, a mendicant preacher wandering the northern wastes, gathering untainted food and purified water, giving it freely to those in need. He claimed it was his calling, and that his god lived in his kindness. It was a calling, of course. A call that was answered by the beings of the immaterium. They gave him the power to feed his beleaguered tribe and heal their ills, and his clan grew. When savage winters ate away at the other tribes, his clan sheltered beneath the protection of his power. He kept them fed, protected and unseen from the eyes of their hunting foes. Soon, hundreds of men and women were huddling for warmth within his mercy, and offered their thanks to the god that he believed he served. Yet each miracle took more effort, Ra. More sacrifice. The end always justified the means. First the conundrums were moral in nature. What does it matter if another clan starves, if it allows his tribe to survive? Soon enough the rituals grew more occult in order to achieve their ends. What is the murder of a rival, if that death guarantees another ten years of peace? What is the life of one child, if the offer of its bloody, beating heart will ensure a monarchs immortality? Do you see? Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Oct 22, 2023 |
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/22/sunday-preview-the-cities-of-sigmar-muster/ You want some books? Of course ya do! Hold onto ya butts, cause here comes the motherload in book pre-orders. Including a new one I don't think they even announced ahead of time. First we have Blacktalon by Liane Merciel.  quote:Five powerful champions of Chaos have discovered the existence of a long-buried weapon with incredible destructive power, and their plans to uncover it threaten the Mortal Realms. It is up to Neave Blacktalon and her hand-picked team of Stormcast Eternals to hunt them down. Honestly not sure if they announced this or not, maybe I missed in the Blacktalon model announcement. Will be available in Hardback, ebook and audiobook as per usual. Da Red Gobbo Rides Again by Rhuairidh James.  Everyone's favourite goblin communist turned capitalism spokesperson is back again in another adventure. quote:Beloved by gretchin everywhere, Da Red Gobbo is a symbol of revolution and freedom from the brutish tyranny of the orks. When the grots of a Blood Axe encampment fall into a malaise, the painboy Stimma realises that only the promise of Da Red Gobbo can stir them from their deep depression and sets about creating his own using science, cunning, and some good, old-fashioned ork violence. Available in ebook and hardback. Galaxy of Horrors is an anthology featuring 15 stories by Denny Flowers, Victoria Hayward, Mike Brooks, Danie Ware, and Robert Rath among others.  Available in paperback or ebook. Untamed Realms is the AoS equivalent, featuring 10 different stories by Richard Strachan, Chris Thursten, Noah Van Nguyen, David Guymer and others.  Available in paperback and ebook as well. Then we have a trio of other AoS books finally getting their paperback releases. Namely Godeaters Son, The Vulture Lord, and Bad Loon Rising by Noah Van Nguyen, Richard Strachan and Andy Clark.  Lastly we have an audiobook release of Nathan Long's Elfslayer. 
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So what do we reckon the Vol.3 LE cover emblem is gonna be? The Luna Wolves emblem? The post-heresy aquila? A lodge coin?
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Black Griffon posted:So what do we reckon the Vol.3 LE cover emblem is gonna be? The Luna Wolves emblem? The post-heresy aquila? A lodge coin? It was released already wasn't it? Horus Vs The Emperor
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Ok, so I want to make sure I can get a physical copy of that gobbo rides again book. What do I need to do exactly? The black library system for this all has always stumped me. Do I need to check online at 5 minutes before the hour some time and day next weekend? Do I go to the GW site or the Black Library site?
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nesbit37 posted:Ok, so I want to make sure I can get a physical copy of that gobbo rides again book. What do I need to do exactly? The black library system for this all has always stumped me. Do I need to check online at 5 minutes before the hour some time and day next weekend? Do I go to the GW site or the Black Library site? I think you'll be fine for a regular hardback in terms of timing, but hell, this might help someone:
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I don’t know if we’re going to get a huge twist that inverts the entire common understanding of the Heresy, but if we do, my guess is the Chaos Gods’ apparent plan to empower Horus to ascend as the Dark King is a fake-out; their real plan is to force the Emperor to become the Dark King, by pushing him to call on all of his Warp powers to fight Horus while in the warp nexus that the Vengeful Spirit has become. Horus is the sacrifice that will lead to the ascension of the Dark King, and that was the intent all along. It doesn’t matter to the Chaos Gods if the Emperor kills Horus, because the Chaos Gods only care that the Dark King comes into existence, they don’t care who it is. And it almost works, but something happens at the last moment (probably involving Ollanius) that allows the Emperor to fight off that ascension. The Golden Throne isn’t just meant to keep the Emperor alive - it’s a trap designed to keep him from transforming the rest of the way into the Dark King. I am totally on board for this theory. There is a very strong textual hint in volume 1. Here is my post about it from earlier this year: The whole book The Dark King is chanted by demons, appears as writings on walls all over the palace, and shows up in visions. It is strongly implied to be Horus or possibly Samus until we get to the end. Then we get this text: Sinderman and Loken end up, through what we assume is Malcador's psychic urging, in the Leng library and eventually in the most restricted and secretive collection dubbed the 888 collection of the Emperor's personal books on chaos. They are randomly pulling books and opening passages hoping to find info that can help the fight. And we get this: quote:Then crowned in his stead, the Dark King. That passage is the end of a chapter and immediately on the next page we get a final Horus POV of him describing what he is watching the emperor do and we get this: quote:You had Him encased in a stifling, muffling, sense-depriving shell of pure, black immaterial force, but He has cracked that open, and now He burns a path towards you. Finally, we get the conversation in the throne room between Vulcan and the perpetual where they discuss what The Dark King means: quote:Lord,’ says Actae, with some reluctance, ‘the Dark King is… it is the name first written in the time before man, and repeated ever since, unbidden, by the prophets of all species. It is a name symbolising the rising god to come.’ So The Dark King is about the rise of a 5th god. Actae and others believe it to be Horus but we get the text "crowned in his stead". That in his victory he will rise as a 5th god of chaos, but look at those first two excerpts. They mirror each other exactly and are only a page or two apart. The prophecy in the books says he cracks a dark shell and ascends and then immediately after Horus speaks of encasing the emperor in a black shell he cracks and then ascends to fight him.
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D-Pad posted:I am totally on board for this theory. There is a very strong textual hint in volume 1. Here is my post about it from earlier this year: I agree with everything you said, but there's another piece of evidence you didn't cite that supports it even more blatantly than the ones you did: the Emperor takes the gloves off, drops the book title, and the Pantheon goes hog wild, hooting and hollering in glee. Horus thinks he's going to be the Dark King but he's very clearly just a disposable pawn and the real target of Chaos' planning is the Emperor. There's nothing subtle about it, Abnett all but states it outright to the reader.
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Going back to Cawl, I'm a bit confused as to his character. Or at least Haley's understanding of his character. Going back to The Great Work, also by Haley, Cawl is shown as kind of a whimsical, playful guy, who thinks of himself as a kindly uncle to the Primaris. But we see that: Space Marine Someguy in Great Work hates him, having experienced his transformation as 10,000 years of stasis with Cawl periodically freezing him out to torture him now and again. Friedisch hates being revived over and over and just wants to die, but Cawl thinks of him as his best friend. (And frankly, Cawl kind of patronized him when he was alive, too) Alpha Primus is in constant physical and spiritual pain and Cawl keeps brushing him off and saying it's psychosomatic. Guilliman Inferior thinks its own existence is a horrible blasphemy So, his creations resent him, or their own existence, or both. But he thinks they all love him. Normally I'd say this was the character being wrong, but the narrative voice seems to LIKE Cawl and generally find him lighthearted and amusing. He has the most 'modern' attitude to science in the setting, and is aligned with what is as close to the 'good guys' as we get in 40k. (We could also make a point as to his contrast with Bile in Genefather, but Bile's character is pretty close to the Reynolds trilogy, which was written before Belisarius Cawl was thought of, so I don't think the thematic parallels can be too strong there) So is Haley doing something subtle and clever? Or has he not noticed that the character he's drawing is kind of monstrous? Or does he think that their complaints aren't important? If he does, why does he spend all that time on how much pain they're in? What do y'all think?
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He's written basically how Arkhan Land is written in that he is undoubtedly very good at certain things and an absolute monster/idiot in other ways and this should be obvious to the viewer despite being written otherwise.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Yeah I think Cawl being a jovial abomination that doesn't understand how horrific people find him is on purpose Just need a reference where he tells one of his creations to get into and pilot a big purple and neon green robot.
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Black Griffon posted:I think you'll be fine for a regular hardback in terms of timing, but hell, this might help someone: Thanks for this! I'll give it ago this weekend. Hopefully its low stakes for this particular book as you suggest so also low risk on me not getting it. I am on EST so I guess I'll log on 12:45pm and hope for the best. If I have the time wrong please correct me.
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Telsa Cola posted:See also : Nurgle worshippers yeah but nurgle fixes that by making most of his followers happy AND also apathetic or uncaring. they have enough free will to sorta realize what they are but then either apathy or mania hits. i like that the only one who wants to do poo poo and is nurgles abbadon is basicly just just space marine oogie boogie.
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I haven't missed a single LE in over 3 years. Here is the definitive guide (for the US): - Sometime before drop go find the book you want on the NZ/Aus or UK Games Workshop site. Copy the URL and change the country code to "en-US". Now you have the exact URL it will be loading on so you can immediately add to cart and beat the rubes that refresh the main page. If there is more than one book releasing you want then you want to go to the Black Library page (on the GW site) and select "Pre-Orders" on the filter and refresh that page. - The morning of make sure you are logged into your account. Make sure your default payment is setup and use a method that isn't going to send you an auth code. - New stuff always drops at exactly 12:55pm EST. The only time you need to worry about getting on earlier is if there is going to be a queue*. They only turn the queue on when there is a really big tabletop release like a new edition or a super popular box release. For example, they didn't turn it on Saturday despite how popular the books are, but they did turn it on for the last book when it was releasing simultaneously with the new edition or maybe a popular boxset I don't remember exactly. - At exactly 12:55pm EST hit refresh. Add to cart then go to checkout and hit the order button. If any steps are taking time to load you don't want to refresh that window** *You can defeat their queue system in Chrome without any addons or anything. Each profile will give you a unique queue position. I am not talking about only a separate window, you go to the profile button in the top right (your google account photo to the left of the three dots) and open a new profile in a new window. I typically open 5-6 different windows/profiles and do all the steps above. Usually at least one of them will give you a front of the line queue position but you can open as many as you want to improve your chances. I also always do one on my phone not connected to Wi-Fi so I'm coming at it from a different connection. **If the site is really getting slammed there are some extra steps you take. Usually this only happens when there is a queue and something very popular for the tabletop is releasing and only happens maybe one release a year. In this situation you will have things time out or give errors. What you want to do is have multiple tabs open per profile so you can try each step multiple times per profile. So for example I've got multiple tabs open on each profile so when it gets through the queue I've got 3-4 tabs all trying to load the page so maybe 3 time out and the 4th works. Then once one of the tabs successfully adds to cart and you go to checkout you want to copy that checkout URL into each tab so you've got 3-4 tabs trying to go to checkout hoping one of them loads. You don't refresh a tab until it times out but you are getting more attempts with each tab. I've never missed an LE using these methods. Please don't go post this on reddit or something and keep it in house with goons. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah but nurgle fixes that by making most of his followers happy AND also apathetic or uncaring. they have enough free will to sorta realize what they are but then either apathy or mania hits. i like that the only one who wants to do poo poo and is nurgles abbadon is basicly just just space marine oogie boogie. It's not really apathy, it's really presented more as existential dread and the belief that nothing can ever get better. It's the view of someone in crushing poverty or in horrible circumstances, who has been in that lovely situation for their entire life, whose friends and family is all in the same situation, and who sees no hope of escape or of a better life. And that's absolutely not a good place to be, or a good "fix". Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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Telsa Cola posted:It's not really apathy, it's really presented more as existential dread and the belief that nothing can ever get better. so nurgle makes you a doom poster virus. AnEdgelord posted:Nurgle's relationship with their followers is fundamentally abusive though in a much subtler way than the other gods. Nurgle inhabits the archetype of the abusive parental figure but upscaled all the way to a universe spanning god. yeah, khorne doesnt care and slanessh is just empty hedonism or excessive passon with out passion. tzeech i think just views everything as long game and everyone is transactional. Nurgle loves you(and maybe he really thinks he does sorta) but he is a gaslighting abuser Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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Biplane posted:Horus almost literally goes "ah, finally, I can stop pretending to be a moron" and then powers up. He knows what he's doing. It's a fun scene after so much dementia Horus leading up
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Finished Genefather and it was aggressively OK. I think Haley may not be a good writer, but even he could have turned it into a good book if he only had spent an extra month polishing it up a little. Cut out half of the side characters with zero personality and flesh out the other half. Give the non-Cawl magos a bit of agency, instead of having them be a glorified background choir. And spend some time on the big pivotal conversations so you're actually coming up with some ideas, instead of just publishing the first draft. It is no spoiler that Bile and Cawl interact - it's on the cover - and their conversation is so terribly predictable, a decent fanfiction writer would have produced 95% of the same beats. Same for two other big arguments Cawl has with other characters. It's not quite Last Church level of banal, but it's close. Haley does better when it comes to Cawl's interactions with his entourage, but the fact that he explicitly equips and unequips personality traits like items in a RPG is the biggest own goal I've ever seen a sci-fi writer commit. How can you possibly introduce any pathos when the protagonist starts every conversation with "btw, I've got my Affable/Confident/Diplomatic gear equipped so I can only express those 3 emotions for the rest of the scene no matter what happens". But I will say this: there was nothing really bad in it. His Bile may be uninspired and we may miss his crew from 3000 years ago, but Haley clearly respects Reynolds's work and does not stray out of character. Even though we get plain lines like "As for you, our goals are the same, though you do not admit it" instead of "You are nothing but a dream, Father. One all the galaxy will soon awaken from."
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