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Der Kyhe posted:Turns out Erdogan collected *and* got the last laugh by making Orban look stupid. Say what you will about Erdogan, dude absolutely knows how to play politics
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Oct 23, 2023 18:16
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Not defending the Telegram post, but pretty sure they were just using that photo as a way of identifying the type of vehicle. I think they were just putting the video next to that picture as a way of showing that the vehicle in the video was the same type as the vehicle in the photo, not saying that the vehicle in the photo was used in Ukraine. Still probably misidentified, though. Yeah, that's what it was.
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Oct 23, 2023 18:16
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The last sound a Ukrainian defender hears before they are incapacitated... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqc6yRIHiW0 ...by laughter.
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Oct 23, 2023 18:31
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Antigravitas posted:The M3? I doubt Ukraine will ever get any of those, that's the serious business "the bridges across the Oder are blown and we must roll tank companies east" capability. Who's going to blow the bridges across the Oder and why?
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Oct 23, 2023 18:44
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Ein Teil dieser Antworten könnte die Bevölkerung verunsichern.
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Oct 23, 2023 18:50
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There's evidence that the gas line between Finland and Estonia was cut by a Chinese ship. Investigation has turned up that the Chinese ship was within a nautical mile of the cut area at the time, and also apparently slowed down to a little over a knot over the pipeline. Scans of the area have also revealed that there's apparently some very heavy and dense object buried in the silt right by the pipe. The current theory seems to be that some ship either dropped something very heavy directly on top of the pipe, or dragged its anchor into it. Probably the latter considering how difficult it would be to do a precision drop with something from the surface. Nothing concrete yet, because there was also a Russian ship in the area right around the time, so one or both of them could just have been there by happenstance.
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Oct 23, 2023 18:53
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There's footage today of Russian troops "advancing" by walking single-file through an open field (they're not fired upon in this particular video) https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1716498930819572029#m This is a literal death march 
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Oct 23, 2023 18:55
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The_Franz posted:There's footage today of Russian troops "advancing" by walking single-file through an open field (they're not fired upon in this particular video) i seriously dont get why they are doing this. like your doing ww1 tactics against a modern heavly defended town turned base/etc. like i get that they don't give a gently caress about human lives because putin and friends they can death korps of kreig everything but even those guys used tactics and armor support.
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Oct 23, 2023 18:58
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There is a tree line right there!
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Oct 23, 2023 19:00
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The SSU almost killed the head of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov. The United States told them that was going too far and told them to stop. Ukrainian forces received word too late and the bombardment of Gerasimov's positions was underway. Alas, he lives to gently caress up another day
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Oct 23, 2023 19:01
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:There's evidence that the gas line between Finland and Estonia was cut by a Chinese ship. Investigation has turned up that the Chinese ship was within a nautical mile of the cut area at the time, and also apparently slowed down to a little over a knot over the pipeline. Scans of the area have also revealed that there's apparently some very heavy and dense object buried in the silt right by the pipe. The current theory seems to be that some ship either dropped something very heavy directly on top of the pipe, or dragged its anchor into it. Probably the latter considering how difficult it would be to do a precision drop with something from the surface. I really don't think China wants the smoke not out of the goodness of their heart
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Oct 23, 2023 19:01
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HonorableTB posted:The SSU almost killed the head of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov. The United States told them that was going too far and told them to stop. Ukrainian forces received word too late and the bombardment of Gerasimov's positions was underway. Alas, he lives to gently caress up another day Didn't he get a new rear end in a top hat as a souvenir from that trip from a shrapnel? At least I have a hazy memory of him being medivac'd and missing the next big parade or two because of "injury to lower back". Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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Oct 23, 2023 19:03
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And of course it was time for Russia to poo poo their pants again.quote:Peskov: "Russia must not be threatened" Or what? You'll whine impotently some more? Or sabotage some poo poo?
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Oct 23, 2023 19:04
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Nothing concrete yet, because there was also a Russian ship in the area right around the time, so one or both of them could just have been there by happenstance. Happenstance? Your average Russian and Chinese don't take a dump together without a plan.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:06
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the popes toes posted:Happenstance? Your average Russian and Chinese don't take a dump together without a plan. I mean, the chance that a Russian and Chinese ship just innocently happened to be over a gas line and data cable that mysteriously were sabotaged at that same time is close to zero. But I guess we have to pretend until there's proof. Of course with the assumption that those were the two ships in the area. For all I know it could be a huge party spot in the Baltic and there were a dozen ships there at the same time.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:08
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i seriously dont get why they are doing this. like your doing ww1 tactics against a modern heavly defended town turned base/etc. like i get that they don't give a gently caress about human lives because putin and friends they can death korps of kreig everything but even those guys used tactics and armor support. Not to get too AUCTUALLY about 40K but yes the Death Korps are extremely willing to die, but no the point of suicide for no reason: they are tactically engenious bastards who will just happen to fight forever over inches of the worst pieces of planets in the Imperium. As you said, they are extremely good at what they do. This is just throwing conscript meat walls thinking if some get through you win. Shows how utterly derelict the Russian command is for tactics or training. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 23, 2023 |
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Oct 23, 2023 19:08
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:There's evidence that the gas line between Finland and Estonia was cut by a Chinese ship. Investigation has turned up that the Chinese ship was within a nautical mile of the cut area at the time, and also apparently slowed down to a little over a knot over the pipeline. Scans of the area have also revealed that there's apparently some very heavy and dense object buried in the silt right by the pipe. The current theory seems to be that some ship either dropped something very heavy directly on top of the pipe, or dragged its anchor into it. Probably the latter considering how difficult it would be to do a precision drop with something from the surface. The one thing I don't get is why would Chinese be happy to do the heavy lifting for the Russians on this thing, and do an openly hostile act against EU and NATO infrastructure in a place they have absolutely no horse on the race.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:09
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TulliusCicero posted:Not to get too AUCTUALLY about 40K but yes the Death Korps are extremely willing to die, but no the point of suicide for no reason: they are tactically engenious bastards who will just happen to fight forever over inches of the worst pieces of planets in the Imperium. As you said, they are extremely good at what they do. oh i know. i have a squad of joytoy action figures of kreig along with a squad of sisters. I mean the high command of russia seems to think their military are kriegers and are just ok with pissing away their lives for no gain.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:33
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I watched the 2022 version of All Quiet on the Western Front and I couldn't help but notice the similarities of the death marches. Who cares, we must show that the Fatherland is strong, another 40,000 dead soldiers will surely convince them.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:40
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Toxic Mental posted:I watched the 2022 version of All Quiet on the Western Front and I couldn't help but notice the similarities of the death marches. Who cares, we must show that the Fatherland is strong, another 40,000 dead soldiers will surely convince them.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:51
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Sashimi posted:I have the same question from the end of that movie as I do with all the suicide attacks today: how broken must all these men be that they just march to certain death instead of at least trying to kill their CO for wasting their lives for absolutely nothing? For all we know, they've been told they're going somewhere else.
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Oct 23, 2023 19:54
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Sashimi posted:I have the same question from the end of that movie as I do with all the suicide attacks today: how broken must all these men be that they just march to certain death instead of at least trying to kill their CO for wasting their lives for absolutely nothing? Well, one dude tried to say he wouldn't do it, and was summarily shot
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Oct 23, 2023 19:55
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if the krieg are on the cover of the book they're smart. if theyre not theyre not. if its the actual tt game depends on how the rolls go
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Oct 23, 2023 20:13
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if the krieg are on the cover of the book they're smart. if theyre not theyre not. if its the actual tt game depends on how the rolls go the kreig have 3 interprations through the fandom 1. tragic probably cloned child soldiers raised to die for a sin against an uncaring empire and the self inflicted destruction of their world. 2. hard core soldiers who will stand against various horros with unblinking and stupid insane dead eyed courage. 3. guys who kill poo poo with trench shovels. also basicaly this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ1nufjJt74
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Oct 23, 2023 20:20
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Sashimi posted:I have the same question from the end of that movie as I do with all the suicide attacks today: how broken must all these men be that they just march to certain death instead of at least trying to kill their CO for wasting their lives for absolutely nothing? idk i found that part stupidly loving dumb because the entire thing ends like its the end of a battlefield match. "WOOPS LOOKS LIKE THE CLOCK RAN OUT, GOOD GAME FRANZ" like i get what they were trying to illustrait but the movie was kinda all over the place.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:22
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Sashimi posted:I have the same question from the end of that movie as I do with all the suicide attacks today: how broken must all these men be that they just march to certain death instead of at least trying to kill their CO for wasting their lives for absolutely nothing? In World War I it wasn't just their CO they'd need to kill, there were tons of troops and officers behind the frontlines and I'm pretty sure "oh our lieutenant told us not to attack after all and to just come back here, and then mysteriously got shot in the back" was going to fly. The governments made drat sure every man knew that you could either join the attack and take your chances, or get shot as a deserter. One way you maybe live, the other way you definitely die. But ultimately I don't think the men fought purely out of fear of the firing squad. I'm sure there were roughly as many reasons as there were men, but people didn't want to let down their pals, their units, their countries, or just had accepted that they were dead already, and therefore who gives a gently caress. Then factor in that they were basically living in hell with literal bodies and body parts falling out of the trench walls, the place stinking so bad you could smell it from miles away, every surface being covered in flies, everyone being lousy with fleas and filthy beyond belief, and then being trapped in a situation where they had to roll the dice on whether they live or die every day. I can't even imagine how quickly that will just completely loving annihilate your psyche. And it's not like in World War I everyone died. Even if we look at the first day of the Battle of the Somme, which is regarded as one of the (if not the) bloodiest days in the war for the British, of the ~82 000 troops who attacked, "only" 19 000 died (and ~40 000 total were casualties). And as the war progressed and tactics developed, the casualty rates for attackers did come down*. Now as for the Russians? Yeah, good loving question. It truly is weird that someone like the unit commander who was drunkenly laughing at his guys getting blown up didn't suddenly get a 7.62mm injection in the back of his head. * at least until the final 100 days of the war when the stalemate broke, the mad dash began and the casualty rates skyrocketed again.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:idk i found that part stupidly loving dumb because the entire thing ends like its the end of a battlefield match. "WOOPS LOOKS LIKE THE CLOCK RAN OUT, GOOD GAME FRANZ" like i get what they were trying to illustrait but the movie was kinda all over the place. There are audio recordings from the WW1 showing that this did in fact happen. When the clock hits 11:00 the constant firing of guns just stops.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:26
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Der Kyhe posted:There are audio recordings from the WW1 showing that this did in fact happen. When the clock hits 11:00 the constant firing of guns just stops. Yep, and until that very moment they very specifically did not. A lot of individual troops and units did decide that with the armistice looming, they weren't going to risk their lives or kill anyone anymore, and just downed tools. But a lot of higher officers decided this was their last chance to get some glory, and started some truly baffling and idiotic assaults in the literal loving hours leading up to the armistice getting tons of their men killed for literally no loving reason. Peter Hart's The Last Battle is a great book on the final days and moments of World War I, even though it's depressing as gently caress.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:29
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Reporting from Ukraine says the Russians finally drove the Ukrainians off the Terrikon waste heap, but haven't yet taken it themselves.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:33
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Now as for the Russians? Yeah, good loving question. It truly is weird that someone like the unit commander who was drunkenly laughing at his guys getting blown up didn't suddenly get a 7.62mm injection in the back of his head. I had the same question and all I could come up with is that anyone thinking of fragging an officer absolutely knows that someone would rat him out for advantage and no Russian CO is going to allow himself to be alone without witnesses.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:44
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the popes toes posted:I had the same question and all I could come up with is that anyone thinking of fragging an officer absolutely knows that someone would rat him out for advantage and no Russian CO is going to allow himself to be alone without witnesses. i mean i think there is a bit of "well then what" its not like the US/western military where you might be able to get your psycho officer kick out or replaced if your reported or fragged him, russian higher ups will just replace him with some other sack of poo poo. at best you get some sucidal patriot who gets loving vaporized charging a gun nest.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:49
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marshalljim posted:Reporting from Ukraine says the Russians finally drove the Ukrainians off the Terrikon waste heap, but haven't yet taken it themselves. Yep, and Rybar International Telegram said it's taken.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:51
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean i think there is a bit of "well then what" its not like the US/western military where you might be able to get your psycho officer kick out or replaced if your reported or fragged him, russian higher ups will just replace him with some other sack of poo poo. at best you get some sucidal patriot who gets loving vaporized charging a gun nest. And even in the western military fragging an officer or disobeying direct order in combat is a serious thing; the chain of command is always honored, with the difference being that the crazy assholes should be rotated out because they do more harm than any good in the long run. But no rotation/actual vetting and training of the officer corps at any level, no weeding out the ones that went crazy or are crazy going in.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:53
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Yep, and Rybar International Telegram said it's taken. I don't quite believe that yet, but Ukraine having to leave their positions is bad enough.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:54
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marshalljim posted:Reporting from Ukraine says the Russians finally drove the Ukrainians off the Terrikon waste heap, but haven't yet taken it themselves. What the hell, so the tactics were successful after all. gently caress.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:57
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Rybar bull shits way too much to worry about what they say. There's a bunch of Ukraine and Russian channels that you just flat out ignore even if they tell you the sun is rising tomorrow and Rybar is one of them.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:58
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mobby_6kl posted:What the hell, so the tactics were successful after all. gently caress. They literally captured a pile of dirt after spending what, 2 weeks of throwing people at it and getting huge amount of soldiers and vehicles killed. To gain what, 1 kilometer? There is still 1000 km of Ukraine to take and the UAF to withdraw to to fight another day.
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Oct 23, 2023 21:00
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Der Kyhe posted:They literally captured a pile of dirt after spending what, 2 weeks of throwing people at it and getting huge amount of soldiers and vehicles killed. To gain what, 1 kilometer? There is still 1000 km of Ukraine to take and the UAF to withdraw to to fight another day. It's over Ukraine! I have the high ground!
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Oct 23, 2023 21:03
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mobby_6kl posted:What the hell, so the tactics were successful after all. gently caress. Bakhmut all over again, unfortunately.
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Der Kyhe posted:They literally captured a pile of dirt after spending what, 2 weeks of throwing people at it and getting huge amount of soldiers and vehicles killed. To gain what, 1 kilometer? There is still 1000 km of Ukraine to take and the UAF to withdraw to to fight another day.
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