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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Kalli posted:

Don't know why you're poopooing it, it's the best demonstration of fealty to their king.

Yeah, I was wondering if providing his Orangenesses favorite food was supposed to be some sort of sign of loyalty.

Is there any evidence that MAGAs are going to McDonalds out of some sort of “well if Trump likes it I like it” thing? They treat everything else like some sort of cult thing.

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James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
I don't think it's a weird Trump ritual, he's a former McDonald's franchise owner.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I love how the GOP runs on a platform of "government doesn't work" and then set about to prove it in every possible way once they get elected.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Murgos posted:

Yeah, I was wondering if providing his Orangenesses favorite food was supposed to be some sort of sign of loyalty.

Is there any evidence that MAGAs are going to McDonalds out of some sort of “well if Trump likes it I like it” thing? They treat everything else like some sort of cult thing.

Liberals didn't get owned by him eating McDonalds any more than him drinking Diet Coke. So it's like wearing suits that don't fit right, carry on as usual and find something else to performatively consume to own the libs.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



https://x.com/YWNReporter/status/1716538018775875880?s=20

Maybe better suited to Israel/ Palestine thread, but probably related to Iran claiming to attack 3 US military bases in Syria.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
USCE 2023:

i am a moron posted:

‘Here’s a bag of garbage that’s going to give you diarrhea, vote for me!’

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Zotix posted:

https://x.com/YWNReporter/status/1716538018775875880?s=20

Maybe better suited to Israel/ Palestine thread, but probably related to Iran claiming to attack 3 US military bases in Syria.

Any idea what this was?

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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mannerup fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 5, 2023

sexy tiger boobs
Aug 23, 2002

Up shit creek with a turd for a paddle.

When are these chucklefucks going to start voting on the speakership again? Need my fix of repub humiliation.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

sexy tiger boobs posted:

When are these chucklefucks going to start voting on the speakership again? Need my fix of repub humiliation.

Apparently all the candidates are busy fellating Trump to get his approval, so the votes are not happening until they are done and he picks one lucky person.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
Not even springing for a Big Mac is just so on brand for this whole mess.

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


Cimber posted:

Apparently all the candidates are busy fellating Trump to get his approval, so the votes are not happening until they are done and he picks one lucky person.

"I am the chosen one" they shall proclaim with a face covered in Cheeto dust.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
The funny part is that there's nobody, other than maybe Trump, who can even try and force these idiots to get in line. Thanks to our idiotic Supreme Court, we're at a point where right wing politicians are no longer beholden to even a mass of party donors. Instead they're all using a modified patronage system where each one is being funded by a different rich gently caress, and none of the money men are in cooperation.

Meanwhile Trump isn't going to go any further than saying which candidates are very good people who say very good things about Big Daddy Trump. Because history of an absolute lack of loyalty aside, not even he is stupid enough to try and crown a king turd when none of them are already winning.

Retro42
Jun 27, 2011


Gyges posted:

The funny part is that there's nobody, other than maybe Trump, who can even try and force these idiots to get in line. Thanks to our idiotic Supreme Court, we're at a point where right wing politicians are no longer beholden to even a mass of party donors. Instead they're all using a modified patronage system where each one is being funded by a different rich gently caress, and none of the money men are in cooperation.

Meanwhile Trump isn't going to go any further than saying which candidates are very good people who say very good things about Big Daddy Trump. Because history of an absolute lack of loyalty aside, not even he is stupid enough to try and crown a king turd when none of them are already winning.

He DID endorse Jordan fwiw. Oh and I guess he's currently trying his hardest to poo poo all over Emmer's chances?

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Retro42 posted:

He DID endorse Jordan fwiw. Oh and I guess he's currently trying his hardest to poo poo all over Emmer's chances?

I believe he sort of endorsed Jordan in a way that wasn't even as enthusiastic as his adding yet another sucker to his legal team. This was of course after he "jokingly" tossed his hat in the ring to see if that would work.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Gyges posted:

I believe he sort of endorsed Jordan in a way that wasn't even as enthusiastic as his adding yet another sucker to his legal team. This was of course after he "jokingly" tossed his hat in the ring to see if that would work.

TBF, that probably represents the extent to which Trump voters care about the speaker choice pretty accurately.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Yeah, Trump will wait it out and once there is an apparent winner he will throw a bomb into that by holding out his blessing until they get, probably self-destructive, concessions similar to McCarthy.

Gaetz and Jordan eating poo poo over this whole debacle isn’t going to change the dynamics here.

I’m still hopeful that his various trials are grinding down his influence though this amount of intransigence by the anti-Jordan crew wouldn’t have been allowed previously.

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



sexy tiger boobs posted:

When are these chucklefucks going to start voting on the speakership again? Need my fix of repub humiliation.

Republicans are supposed to meet to vote tomorrow.

For the record, Republican Caucus rules are to vote internally, and if no one gets a majority, eliminate the one with the fewest votes, and vote again, and repeat until someone has a majority.

Since there are 9 candidates, realistically there are going to be several closed-door votes tomorrow until someone is selected.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
So, ranked-choice voting behind closed doors, then do a performative FPTP vote in actual Congress. Very sensible and healthy system we've got

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Gyges posted:

I believe he sort of endorsed Jordan in a way that wasn't even as enthusiastic as his adding yet another sucker to his legal team. This was of course after he "jokingly" tossed his hat in the ring to see if that would work.

He said that Jordan "will be a GREAT Speaker of the House, & has my Complete & Total Endorsement!". Moreover, a number of House Republicans said that they had personally spoken to Trump and confirmed that no, he wasn't going to run himself but was enthusiastically endorsing Jordan for the position. I don't think it was a "sort of" endorsement, and he didn't seriously seem interested in tossing his own hat into the ring.

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



haveblue posted:

So, ranked-choice voting behind closed doors, then do a performative FPTP vote in actual Congress. Very sensible and healthy system we've got

I mean, that isn't ranked-choice voting, it's exhaustive ballot. It mechanically is somewhat similar to an instant-runoff vote, but it allows strategic switching in between rounds when you see how candidates are stack up.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Rumors that Putin had a heart attack, per sky news.

edit* this is based off a telegram post sky news is reporting on. can probably disregard.

FizFashizzle fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Oct 23, 2023

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

FizFashizzle posted:

Rumors that Putin had a heart attack, per sky news.

Big if true?

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

FizFashizzle posted:

Rumors that Putin had a heart attack, per sky news.

Shouldn’t have had that second cheeseburger

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



FizFashizzle posted:

Rumors that Putin had a heart attack, per sky news.

This remains completely unverified and is allegedly based on Telegram app chatter just FYI.

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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mannerup fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 5, 2023

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
Yeah sure, ok. I'll get my hopes up when I actually see something more than a random internet rumor.

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006
Hern probably had to buy those cheeseburgers yesterday In order to get them individually bagged and handed out this morning.

Gross.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

mannerup posted:

lmao at this story still floating around 12 hours later because of a single Telegram rumor

LOTFRME

MixMasterMalaria
Jul 26, 2007

nachos posted:

Shouldn’t have had that second cheeseburger

Speaker credentials burnished.

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

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My question with all this McDonalds nonsense is, where are they getting them from? Same with the Trump-era White House stacks of McDonalds food. Is there a McDonalds somewhere downtown that caters? Are they just calling up one near the Capitol and asking for 100 cheeseburgers? Maybe there's one inside the Capitol at some type of food court or something?

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

hannibal posted:

My question with all this McDonalds nonsense is, where are they getting them from? Same with the Trump-era White House stacks of McDonalds food. Is there a McDonalds somewhere downtown that caters? Are they just calling up one near the Capitol and asking for 100 cheeseburgers? Maybe there's one inside the Capitol at some type of food court or something?

Random ones I would guess.
I read that the Russians/Chinese knew something was up in US govt buildings when the local pizza places got large orders.
So I would assume, if they were smart, they would get them from random different McDonalds each time.

mannerup
Jan 11, 2004

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ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe

hannibal posted:

My question with all this McDonalds nonsense is, where are they getting them from? Same with the Trump-era White House stacks of McDonalds food. Is there a McDonalds somewhere downtown that caters? Are they just calling up one near the Capitol and asking for 100 cheeseburgers? Maybe there's one inside the Capitol at some type of food court or something?

You can order McDonalds "catering" on Uber Eats.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

haveblue posted:

So, ranked-choice voting behind closed doors, then do a performative FPTP vote in actual Congress. Very sensible and healthy system we've got

The best part is that having a majority of the caucus is nowhere near sufficient to win. They shouldn’t let a candidate out until they have a super-duper-mega-majority.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War
Arab Americans are rethinking about their vote for pro-Israel Democrats

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-revolt-arabs-progressives_n_6536f382e4b011a9cf7abc38

quote:

United in a desire to stop mounting bloodshed, a group of about 30 Arab American leaders and activists convened at the Hanini Outreach and Community Center in Dearborn, Michigan, on Oct. 16 to discuss how to respond to the Israeli bombardment of Gaza.

Those Arab American activists who attended the meeting shared their outrage at what they see as President Joe Biden’s lopsidedly pro-Israel approach to the current war between Israel and Hamas, the Islamist group that governs the Gaza Strip. They want Biden to pressure Israel for a cease-fire and end what they see as Israel’s reckless disregard for Palestinian civilians, as well as recognize that Palestinian violence toward Israel springs from legitimate grievances. They all agreed that they would not vote for Biden under virtually any circumstances and would encourage their fellow Arab Americans to do the same.

“You take my vote, you take my money and then you spit on me?” one of the attendees, Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News, told HuffPost. “They are racist, and they are dealing with our people like trash. And we are going to teach them a lesson come November. We’re not going to vote for them.”


Hussein Dabajeh, a senior aide to Wayne County Commissioner Sam Baydoun and head of his own political consulting firm, is leading the formation of a political action committee that will serve as the central body pushing for a boycott of Democratic candidates who fail to speak out against Israeli bombardment and for Palestinian rights. Dabajeh, who was at the Oct. 16 meeting, told HuffPost that donors have been lining up to bankroll the effort.

The prospect of swing-state Michigan’s sizable Arab and Muslim population sitting out the 2024 election is the most visible domestic political challenge facing Biden following his embrace of Israel in the wake of a massacre of 1,400 Israelis in an unprecedented Hamas attack on Oct. 7. But it’s just one of many facing the president and his campaign as they work to navigate the politics of the issue, which have been altered both by the increasing liberalism of young voters and the simple fact that the Arab and Muslim populations in the United States continue to grow.

The democrats are making a huge misstep in their full support of Israel’s apartheid regime. Thousands of people have been protesting for a free Palestine or a ceasefire, but the democrats have either ignored them or maligned them like Chuck Schumer when he said that those asking for a ceasefire support Hamas or Ritchie Torres attacking people who criticize Israel. They are pushing away the people who would most likely vote for them

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

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theCalamity posted:

Arab Americans are rethinking about their vote for pro-Israel Democrats

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-revolt-arabs-progressives_n_6536f382e4b011a9cf7abc38

The democrats are making a huge misstep in their full support of Israel’s apartheid regime. Thousands of people have been protesting for a free Palestine or a ceasefire, but the democrats have either ignored them or maligned them like Chuck Schumer when he said that those asking for a ceasefire support Hamas or Ritchie Torres attacking people who criticize Israel. They are pushing away the people who would most likely vote for them

Arab Americans account for less than 1% of the electorate and already isn’t a particularly monolithic block of voters. Ultimately I doubt it moves the needle much.

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



theCalamity posted:

They are pushing away the people who would most likely vote for them

The Democrats have always been more than happy to aggressively appeal to the National Security Down With Middle Eastern Terrorists crowd in the hopes they’ll sheer away some of the moderate conservative vote.

In a fully Trump-dominated anti-governance Republican Party, too, this is no longer as delusionally implausible as it used to be during the Bush years.

7c Nickel
Apr 27, 2008
That article also heavily quotes a Trump supporter pretending to be a Democrat for it's thesis. I don't doubt that some people are unhappy, but I doubt in the end it amounts to much more than the media trying to drum up a horse race narrative.

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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
There's definitely dissent against Biden backing Israel to the hilt, and it comes from the one place that still believes in the two state solution.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-mutiny-brewing-inside-state-224132063.html

quote:

President Joe Biden’s approach to the ongoing violence in Israel and Palestine is fueling mounting tensions at the U.S. government agency most involved in foreign policy: the State Department.

Officials told HuffPost that Secretary of State Antony Blinken and his most senior advisers are overlooking widespread internal frustration. Some department staff said they feel as if Blinken and his team are uninterested in their own experts’ advice as they focus on supporting Israel’s expanding operation in Gaza, where the Palestinian militant group Hamas is based.

“There’s basically a mutiny brewing within State at all levels,” one State Department official said.

Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 terror attack on Israel, fighting in the region has killed more than 4,000 people, and Israel is preparing a ground invasion of Gaza that is expected to claim tens of thousands of additional lives.

Biden and Blinken say they want to help Israel decisively defeat Hamas, but that they do not want to see suffering among ordinary Gazans or a broader regional conflict. Both have recently visited Israel, and Blinken is prioritizing an attempt to open the Gaza-Egypt border to allow humanitarian aid into the besieged region and let some civilians out.

Two officials told HuffPost that diplomats are preparing what’s called a “dissent cable,” a document criticizing American policy that goes to the agency’s leaders through a protected internal channel.

Such cables are seen within the State Department as consequential statements of serious disagreement at key historical moments. The dissent channel was established amid deep internal conflict during the Vietnam War, and diplomats have since then used it to warn that the U.S. is making dangerous and self-defeating choices abroad.

The cable would come in the wake of Josh Paul, a veteran State Department official, announcing his resignation on Wednesday. After more than a decade of working on arms deals, he said, he could not morally support the U.S.’s moves to supply Israel’s war effort.

“In the last 24 hours, I’ve been getting an immense amount of outreach from colleagues... with really encouraging words of support and a lot of people saying they feel the same way and it’s very difficult for them,” said Paul, whose departure was first reported by HuffPost.

Paul described that as surprising: “My expectation was that no one would want to touch me with a 10-foot barge pole... because of the sensitivity of anything to do with Israel.”

Contacted for comment for this story on Thursday, a State Department representative directed HuffPost to remarks earlier in the day from agency spokesperson Matthew Miller.

“One of the strengths of this department is that we do have people with different opinions. We encourage them to make their opinions known,” Miller said in those remarks. “It, of course, is the president that sets policy, but we encourage everyone, even when they disagree with our policy, to let... their leadership know.”

“Secretary Blinken has spoken to this on a number of occasions, when he’s said that he welcomes people exercising the dissent channel,” he went on. “He finds it useful to get conflicting voices that may differ from his opinion. He takes it seriously, and it causes him to reflect on his own thinking in terms of policymaking.”

Biden and Blinken have publicly spoken of both Israel’s right to defend itself and their expectation that Israel will “abide by all international law,” Miller said.

Key decisions are made at the highest level by Biden, Blinken and a handful of others. But rank-and-file State Department officials are involved in an array of other important and controversial elements of the American response to the Israeli-Palestinian violence.

On Wednesday, the U.S. mission to the United Nations ― a State office ― vetoed a U.N. resolution backed by many countries that condemned all violence against civilians, including by Hamas, and endorsed humanitarian aid for Gaza. State will also help administer the additional military aid for Israel and humanitarian assistance for Palestinians that Biden has authorized.

State Department staff are trying to simultaneously conduct delicate diplomacy, respond to calls from Congress to demonstrate huge support for Israel and regard for Palestinian lives, and manage global outrage over the impression that the U.S. is providing cover for excessive Israeli force.

Counterparts in Arab governments are telling State Department officials the U.S. is at risk of losing support in their region for a generation, a U.S. official told HuffPost.

It’s unclear whether Blinken — who returned to Washington on Wednesday after a five-day trip across the Middle East, during which he met with officials in seven countries — understands the crisis of morale in his department.

“There’s a sense within the workforce that the secretary doesn’t see it or doesn’t care,” a State Department official said, saying that the feeling extends to high-ranking figures at the agency. “And it’s almost certain he’s not aware of just how bad the workforce dynamics are. It’s really quite bad.”

The negativity is surfacing in a variety of ways. One official described peers as “depressed and angry about it all,” while another said some staff are experiencing “resignation.” That official recalled a colleague in tears during a meeting over their view “that U.S. policy statements emphasized support for Israel over the lives of Palestinians.”

Senior State Department officials have privately discouraged the agency from using three specific phrases in public statements, HuffPost revealed last week: “de-escalation/ceasefire,” “end to violence/bloodshed” and “restoring calm.”

In one office, a manager told their team that they know staff with extensive international experience are unhappy with Biden’s plan ― particularly the sense that the U.S. will do little to ensure Israeli restraint ― but they have little chance of changing it, an official present at the meeting said.

Multiple officials said they have heard colleagues talk about quitting as Paul did. One U.S. official described Paul’s decision as a shock and a major loss for the department.

The severity of the language in the dissent cable, and the number of State Department officials who sign it, will offer a picture of how alarmed staffers are at America’s response to the situation in Gaza and how broad the disagreement with Biden’s policy is ― and could determine whether it actually inspires a change in course.

Such cables often attract dozens or even hundreds of signatures, and the dissent channel is seen as a vital way to elevate opposing views without fear of retaliation because State’s policies bar retaliation against those who use it.

“I think it does make a difference to senior leadership,” Paul said.

But the process has been under threat this year, as House Republicans have pushed to access a dissent cable prepared amid Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan.

“The efforts to obtain the Afghanistan dissent cable by Congress do make it more difficult to talk about dissent cables in general, and do make some people think twice,” Paul said.

Global affairs professionals, particularly those with ties to the Muslim-majority world who worry about being targeted, have long been concerned about being seen as taking a stand on Israel-Palestine.

That anxiety has often affected policymaking, according to Sarah Harrison, a former Pentagon and Department of Homeland Security official now at the nonprofit Crisis Group.

“This is an environment that has been cultivated by Democratic and Republican administrations alike,” Harrison recently wrote on X. “If you work in the federal government and question anything Israel does you are sidelined and silenced.”

Staff across the Biden administration have told HuffPost they are experiencing a chilling effect at work. One person said there was “a culture of silence” around expressing their views on Israel-Palestine, and another said they felt “shame” at working within the U.S. government at this moment.

Some State Department staffers place particular blame for the bubbling discontent on Blinken’s deputy chief of staff for policy.

Tom Sullivan ― a powerful figure who is the brother of Biden’s top national security adviser, Jake Sullivan ― has “consistently overruled” the idea of greater outreach from the secretary to State Department personnel, one official said.

In high-level meetings, Tom Sullivan usually focuses on asking what Israel wantsor highlighting its needs ― upsetting colleagues who feel the priority in crafting a plan for support should be on U.S. interests, a U.S. official told HuffPost.

Staffers do not feel comfortable challenging Sullivan because of his brother’s rank, the official continued.

On Thursday evening, Blinken sent out an all-staff message reviewing State Department contributions to his trip. HuffPost obtained the note.

“We asked a lot of you. And once again, under tremendous pressure, you delivered,” the secretary wrote. “I know that, for many of you, this time has not only been challenging professionally, but personally ... You are not alone. We are here for you.”

“Let us also be sure to sustain and expand the space for debate and dissent that makes our policies and our institution better,” the message continued.

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