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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

A P bass is just an incredibly simple thing at heart, it works as just two pieces of wood (or three I guess) and a simple pickup that can just be wound coils and magnets. The traditional reason USA instruments were better was that the luthiers were actually skilled, but with modern cutting technology, that's largely irrelevant (and also less true because of Society). This means that your cheap Chinese model is likely to be absolutely top shape. The main thing you're not getting is tone wood and fancy hardware, and those are hardly necessary for a good instrument. Oh, and quality control, so you're more likely to get a dud Chinese model, but that's solved by trying before buying.

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AstroZamboni
Mar 8, 2007

Smoothing the Ice on Europa since 1997!

BonHair posted:

The main thing you're not getting is tone wood and fancy hardware, and those are hardly necessary for a good instrument. Oh, and quality control, so you're more likely to get a dud Chinese model, but that's solved by trying before buying.

I didn't get fancy hardware for sure (apart from the solid brass saddles and control knob, but I sure as poo poo got the tone wood. Swamp ash body that's really resonant and the maple neck is fantastic. And although I didn't get to try before buying I definitely didn't get a dud.

Then again I'm also willing to take a risk that way because I know how to do fretwork and rewiring and basic repair. I'm the band's defacto guitar tech in addition to being the bassist, and I mod poo poo and void warrantees by my nature. I know how to fix up a piece of dogshit to play like butter. Still, I had to do a lot less work on it than I expected. No super high polish rounding on the fret ends (which you wouldn't expect at that price anyway) but no complaints about the fret work beyond that. It arrived with the action really loving high, but I dropped it way down, reintonated, and absolutely no dead spots on the fretboard. Electronics are great, pickup sounds great, fully shielded cavity... It's just bonkers. It played better out of the box and was better put together than my made in Korea Eastwood tenor guitar, and that was a $600 instrument. This was $270.

All I've done to really change it is roll down the fretboard edges, round and polish the fret ends, and install a thumb rest and strap locks. I have zero plans to ever gently caress with the electronics because they're perfect for what I'm doing.

I've PLAYED a lot of basses but never been in a position of having to OWN one, and when the time came I cheaped out and accidentally wound up with the best-playing bass I've ever even HELD. It's kind of obscene.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Tonewood doesn't even matter unless you are talking an acoustic.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
All (bass)guitars should be Masonite, lightweight, sounds good cause chambered, cheap

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Wowporn posted:

All (bass)guitars should be Masonite, lightweight, sounds good cause chambered, cheap

All right, get back in your grave, Nathan Daniel.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Tone wood is a scam though. Just notice how it's always the exotic expensive wood that's supposedly best.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Toan is stored in the pickup wiring, per the Facebook boomers

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Wowporn posted:

All (bass)guitars should be Masonite, lightweight, sounds good cause chambered, cheap

I don't want to learn any secret handshakes

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

BonHair posted:

Tone wood is a scam though. Just notice how it's always the exotic expensive wood that's supposedly best.

So silly. It's obviously the shape of the wood thats important. Which is why strats and telessound different to LPs and SGs cos the tone particles bounce around in different patterns.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Speaking of toan...

I'm going to throw a set of Lollar HSP90s into my PRS Hollowbody because I don't have P90s.

These HSP90s have a bit of a unique look, ergo I need to know the most important question. I have expertly used photoshop to demonstrate the difference between the two for maximum toanage.

Which colour pickup would generate the best toan?

Gold:


vs.

Silver:


Please note that I put gold speed knobs on the guitar to replace the red ones. It noticeably improved sustain, warmth, bite, tone, timbre, timber, attack, and sprongle by 17%.

My personal opinion is that I think the gold suits the guitar better. Which surprises me because I normally hate Gold pickups, but this might be the one time where it works

H13 fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 23, 2023

TheKub
May 11, 2006

I'd say gold. I feel it works better with the warm color tone on the body.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
I'd say gold too.

Also, you may need to cover the holes in your guitar lest all the lumniferous tone leaks out.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Elissimpark posted:

I'd say gold too.

Also, you may need to cover the holes in your guitar lest all the lumniferous tone leaks out.

This is a common misconception. Due to the rosewood neck, that tonewood actually has a tonal vacuum effect whereby extra tone from the universe is sucked in from those tone ports.

Tone.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Tone wise, definitely the gold. Just be sure to get actual gold, not gold plated or whatever.

AstroZamboni
Mar 8, 2007

Smoothing the Ice on Europa since 1997!
Since I commented on tonewood in regards to my bass, here's how I define it when it comes to an electric bass;

If it resonates loudly enough unplugged that I can practice basslines without an amp, it's tonewood. If unplugged notes are nearly inaudible, it isn't. That goes for pretty much any solid body instrument.

Doesn't matter a hill of beans once it's plugged in, but being able to practice without plugging in is a nice feature.

Slothful Bong
Dec 2, 2018

Filling the Void with Chaos
Hah that reminds me, my guitar with the most sustain plugged in sounds like a wet fart acoustically, and the one that projects/sustains the most unplugged is solidly mid when amplified.

Interestingly enough, it’s opposite of weight; the bad acoustic one is a 10.5lbs solid mahogany LP style, while the good acoustic one is a 7.2lbs PRS SE.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.
After 2 weeks in Fedex limbo, and an open insurance claim and two open traces, this showed up today, dropped off without the required signature and literally left in the rain :allears:. never fedex ground, never again

Yamaha YTS-62II







800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

Cabbages and Kings posted:

After 2 weeks in Fedex limbo, and an open insurance claim and two open traces, this showed up today, dropped off without the required signature and literally left in the rain :allears:. never fedex ground, never again

Just lmao if you use anything but USPS.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

800peepee51doodoo posted:

Just lmao if you use anything but USPS.

Some vendors do not provide this option, and some only use Fedex, because it's the cheapest way to ship insured afaict.

Fedex Express and 2-day are also generally as good as UPS which is, around here, close to as good as USPS.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
Couple boring ones


Hondo H-7600MR(Metallic Red), late 80s, made in Korea by Samick. Joins the black and "Golden Sunburst" ones I have.


Mako Strat copy, I have three of these right now and the go pretty cheap for how nice they can be after a setup. Late 80s, made in Korea by Samick or Cort. One of them gave up it's neck for another Mako, then it's bridge for the Hondo above. Turns out the Hondo H-7600s and this version of the Mako use the same 50mm string spacing bridge with 10mm saddles, so when those saddles are shot you are SOL and you can't even replace the bridge without some work because the screw holes are also 10mm centers. So this new Mako gets to live for now, until I run into another Hondo H-7600 with rusted out saddles.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
And the awesome one



Hondo H940B, although this one should be an HD940B and has extra parts of a label stuck on the neckplate to make it an H9440B.



Also someone's name and Social Security number engraved on the neckplate like an rear end in a top hat would do. To back up a little, it should be marked HD940B because it has the Dimarzio K-10s.

AND besides it being truly awesome, it's an early one. See the lower horn and headstock shapes.




Most of them look like this to not get sued by Ibanez


CatBlack
Sep 10, 2011

hello world
Completed my volca collection (except the mix which i do not want) and put thonk trimmer toppers on everything. i really love thonk



bonus thonk'd up rolcas

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Weird alignment chart

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Pretty sick Hondo! It also amuses me to think of Ibanez suing another company for copying their design. I get that they moved on from that, but it was fairly recently at that point.

Boody
Aug 15, 2001

CatBlack posted:

Completed my volca collection (except the mix which i do not want) and put thonk trimmer toppers on everything. i really love thonk



...

Have you looked at the Korg Sequenz racks? - https://reverb.com/uk/item/42787693-korg-sequenz-volca-rack-3x3 I picked up the 2x2 one on sale and was impressed with the quality. The only downside is the fit is so snug you can't use a decksaver.

CatBlack
Sep 10, 2011

hello world
wow didnt know they made a 3x3 version. looks awesome but i have no where to put it. i am keeping my volcas in cases put away and I pull a few out at a time. usually record them on a wooden tray on my lap. those racks look awesome though

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Oof, the shipping to Canada on that rack is 80% of the list price.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Yeah I can’t be arsed to pay that much for stands. My volcas live in a 3D printed 1x2 rack that I got through work access to a printer, nice and cheap. Also complete poo poo, but whatever it works.

LooksLikeABabyRat
Jun 26, 2008

Oh dang, I'd nibble that cheese

Korg is blowing out vox Bobcats on reverb. $550 shipped with a hardcase.



Too good a deal to pass up so I got one. https://reverb.com/item/58528343-vox-bobcat-v90-sunburst

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Wow that is a great deal

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Oh poo poo, with a hard case? That's really tempting. If I didn't already have an arch top with p90s

Armacham fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Oct 29, 2023

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

I’ve been eyeing those or the 3 single coil ones, but I can’t quite justify it. They’ve been dropping the price for a while now, and I can’t imagine them going lower. There’s speculation that they’re coming from the same factory as the Guild Newark St series, if that gives an indication of quality.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
Snap! Crackle! ROCK!!!!





Cruise - Created For VMI. Late 80s or early 90s, made in Korea by Samick. Weighs way too much, missing the locking nut to go with the truly lovely bridge, but that paint job is original and not a silk screen. $102.04 at the pawn shop I seem to get the best deals at. They even threw in a Fender gig bag.

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003
I always get excited when I see this thread pop up in the bookmarks and your name is last poster. I just know it’s going to be some obscure 70-90s import and I’m just like :allears:

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

Sockington posted:

I always get excited when I see this thread pop up in the bookmarks and your name is last poster. I just know it’s going to be some obscure 70-90s import and I’m just like :allears:

widefault's post history in this thread is way too distracting for work on a Friday.

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.
I love widefault’s old obscure guitar treasure posts.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.


4vox, and traded up Dice for a real Marbles. 4vox was impulse buy because Control Voltage had one pretty cheap.

4vox got me on a kick reading up on Flame which led me to find a Voco[R]der for well under any of the other (three, total) listings, so I snapped it up because voders are cool. The looper on this is something else and I'm still wrapping my brain around all the things it can do; it's a loop of the analyzed band data, so the analysis input is dead but everything else works as usual and the loop itself (max length 3.5 minutes) can be scrubbed through, reversed, sped up and down.

I fed some Reagan speech into it, so that's what's on there now. I reversed it, no demons summoned yet.



The dual APC was cheap because APC is a cheap circuit and it's wonderfully squelchy.

Flame seems cool, I'm just going to keep an eye out and snap up any of their poo poo if and only if it's cheaper than expected. I don't know if they are still manufacturing; 4vox was only made from 2014-2016 or something and it's certainly not the worlds most advanced wavetable synth but it is 4x4voice synths in 29hp, and among other things it really shines with some electric piano and organ oriented waves.

Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Nov 5, 2023

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Did yah find that apc on etsy? Tear Apart Tapes?

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

B33rChiller posted:

Did yah find that apc on etsy? Tear Apart Tapes?

you got it!

I may buy another to jam in a rack I am gifting someone for christmas because they are cheap and fun.

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Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Got this a couple of weeks ago. Someone said "you can't put it down" and indeed you can't since no stand or hanger I have works with it. Ordered a String Swing ukulele hanger which _allegedly_ works if you flip it upside down so maybe that'll take care of things. Great guitar otherwise, super comfortable and the neck really works as advertised. Very subtle but I feel like I end up with a better grip in most positions.

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