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Jippa posted:For some reason I remember colouring maps to do with WW1 battlefields. I'm not sure how that helped exactly. You only get brown and red crayons
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Maugrim posted:Sorry to bust in out of nowhere with a shameless plug, but if any London-area goons would fancy seeing a one-man theatre show about neurodiversity created by a majority neurodivergent team, my wife (autistic + ADHD) has been working on this - https://www.omnibus-clapham.org/invisible-animal/ this looks really interesting! i'll try and get myself a ticket one evening
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Miftan posted:I don't know if 1992 is too early to learn about WW2 mate This did not do much towards the greater cause of genocide prevention though, so not a very good way of teaching it.
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We just did stuff about the pyramids in history, don't remember doing anything else.
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I mean yeah, on reflection there are nuances to genocide and 'holocaust' implies a structured programme of outright active extermination via mass murder at the industrial scale, utilising death camps and the like, with the explicit goal of eradicating a particular demographic. I don't think we're seeing precisely that. What we are seeing is a naked case of ethnic cleansing, and a highly violent one. The difference being Israel wants eventual control of the entire contested area, not just for the state but for their favoured ethnoreligious group, and that means removing any Palestinian sovereignty and either expelling the people or rendering them second class citizens within Israel. I don't think Israel's ideology inherently needs to commit mass murder as part of that goal in the same way nazi race theory did. It would be perfectly content with 'just' displacing/dominating the entire palestinian people. But I also believe that it simply does not care about committing mass murder to achieve its long term goals. It's not marching Palestinians into gas chambers, but it is doing everything in its power to make their existence in the territories completely untenable. I have no doubt that if Israel didn't know the world was watching, the IDF would have been going full SS in Belarus, Black and Tans in Ireland level of terrorising and destroying villages while rounding up and shooting their inhabitants long ago, and tbh there's evidence that violence of that nature has occurred on several occasions. So no, perhaps not a 'holocaust' in the full final solution sense of the term, but in practice that's a pretty academic point at that stage. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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ThomasPaine posted:So no, perhaps not a 'holocaust' in the full final solution sense of the term, but in practice that's a pretty academic point at that stage. Gaza has now run out of food, and people are already stabbing each other for bread. Hospitals are now out of diesel for their generators, so everyone who relies on electricity to stay alive is currently dead or dying. And all the time, Israel is dropping bombs on the trapped and contained prisoners. This is a Holocaust in the full final solution sense of the term.
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I did see a quote from some ghoul in the israeli government encouraging anyone with a gun and an arab neighbour to kill them immediately, that seems pretty genocidey ideology tbh. Also pretty sure most of the holocaust death toll came from starvation and disease, so you don't need to build gas chambers, or work it all out on your IBM adding machine to exterminate people en masse. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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As thread granny, I did history at school in the 70s (20 years nearer to WW2 in time than from school days to now but I digress) and we basically did some ancient history (Tigris/Euphrates stuff) and then 'modern' history - 16th C - WW2. But we never got to colouring in maps. I vaguely remember something about Jethro Tull & seed drills or weaving machines or something. A lot of focus on the late 19th C & the foundations of WW1 & WW2 & Soviet Union. I don't recall that we studied Holocaust / Shoah at all though I remember being surprised to discover that 6m Poles were killed half were Jewish and half weren't. (This because my dad was always ranting & raving that 'the Poles did nothing to help the Jews' and a friend of mine with Polish parents getting really angry and saying "that's because it was happening to them too). I enjoyed history at school and was gutted to have to drop it when the "choices" (we used to have to choose between subjects not take like 12 O-levels) were either History or Chemistry and as I was planning on doing physics (choice: physics or geog) at uni, chemistry seemed better long term choice). The Holocaust Memorial Day trust includes all - the HMD next year is 27th Jan https://www.hmd.org.uk/what-is-holocaust-memorial-day/this-years-theme/ And there's a separate Shoah day Evening of Sun, 5 May 2024 – Mon, 6 May 2024 which is specifically Jewish victims.
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 The internet - a series of dials https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1716735397802233947?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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https://twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732?lang=en but turning it away from racism and that's bad apparently
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I think you'll find the internet works like this actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8XSo0etBC4
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Nuclear Spoon posted:this looks really interesting! i'll try and get myself a ticket one evening Very much appreciated. Bring friends! Colleagues! Random strangers off the street! Three poodles in a trenchcoat?
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A bookcase hastily revolves into position as Nads enters the room, concealing the giant Internetical Wokerizer console on the other side of the wall.
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"the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. "woke techlords have dials and use them to bend the arc." - Nadine Dorries
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I like that you could construe that as her not having done anything utterly loving stupid for a brief window which caused her to fall out of the news slightly.
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The 12 hour plane ride that reset the news.
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fuctifino posted:Gaza has now run out of food, and people are already stabbing each other for bread. Hospitals are now out of diesel for their generators, so everyone who relies on electricity to stay alive is currently dead or dying. And all the time, Israel is dropping bombs on the trapped and contained prisoners. As I said, it's an academic point about the ideological justification, methodology, and overall objective that's not really particularly relevant to the political reality as it stands, that was kind of my point. I think it's perfectly right and proper to use the term polemically. This isn't a political philosophy seminar and while there are nuances to explore this isn't the time to do it, not least because Israel is very very adept at twisting those nuances to obfuscate the reality of its policies. This is definitely outright ethnic cleansing.
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Never particularly liked the term "ethnic cleansing" since it implies those killed are filth. Genocide has a better ring to it, I say wearing a Bane mask and doing the voice.
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Ethnic cleansing doesn't really have a formal international legal definition I'm aware of either, whereas genocide has multiple because there's multiple ways it can be perpetrated.
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Fair points, it certainly is a genocide whichever way you spin it
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Ethnic cleansing seems too weak a phrase, or almost like the perpetrator has a justification in doing so. You are removing a population from one place to another (or death) by means of force or coercion, by definition it is genocide. We should ditch ethnic cleansing as a weaselly meek phrase and stick with genocide which is definitely what has been happening in Israel for decades, and is accelerating rapidly in the past week.
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So, are we calling it prosecco or champagne?
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Sparkling Genocide.
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Brought to you by Soda Stream.
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Tesseraction posted:Brought to you by Soda Stream. 
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Tesseraction posted:Brought to you by Soda Stream. loving hell
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lol at one of todays Kindle Daily Deals being Wes Streetings 'growing up memoir' One Boy, Two Bills and a Fry Up as he is not old enough for an autobiography yet.
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that's a new thread title if you'd posted it in the right one
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Pretty sure "ethnic cleansing" as a euphemism was coined by the people doing the genocide. Don't use it too. Call it what it is.
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Ethnic mopping up
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Also available are 'war crimes' and 'crimes against humanity' for things that fall short of the specific reading of the Genocide Convention but are still some very bad poo poo.
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Umbra Dubium posted:Pretty sure "ethnic cleansing" as a euphemism was coined by the people doing the genocide. It always sounded euphemistic but I never realised it was coined during the Yugoslav Wars. I watched the BBC drama Warriors over the weekend with me dad, it was pretty harrowing and pretty UKMT in places too. They definitely tried to avoid accidentally glorifying anything that was going on, which happens so often with war films/shows.
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Racial tidying. Yeah it's a bizarre phrase if you ponder it for more than a second.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Racial tidying. Isn't that when everyone got weirdly into Marie Kondo a few years back? The inscrutable eastern art of putting poo poo in drawers.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Honestly the best way to understand Starmer is that he just wants to win. There is zero ideology of any kind other than that behind his actions. Steve Coogan posts in UKMT https://x.com/shornKOOMINS/status/1716804290096836758
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sebzilla posted:Isn't that when everyone got weirdly into Marie Kondo a few years back? This class of people does not spark joy.
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