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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

So, once again, the terrorist in Belgium was already known to authorities as a dangerous jihadist and threat to national security for 7 years. Every loving time.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

So, once again, the terrorist in Belgium was already known to authorities as a dangerous jihadist and threat to national security for 7 years. Every loving time.

Weird how that works.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Presumably they let it slide because he was a big fan of the Belgian soccer team.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
looks like there's a potentially decent party emerging from the ruins of Die Linke in germany? anyone got any deets

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

speaking of, PvdA in the netherlands has seen the same decline as other socdem parties across europe and has merged with groenlinks for the election in 30 days

i think SP is still better across the board though

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

mila kunis posted:

looks like there's a potentially decent party emerging from the ruins of Die Linke in germany? anyone got any deets

solid 'meh' from me, dunno how it's better than die linke

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/german-politician-sahra-wagenknecht-leaves-die-linke-to-set-up-new-party

quote:

Former far-left co-leader forms migration-sceptical BSW, aiming to take votes away from far-right AfD

Sahra Wagenknecht, the charismatic former co-leader of the far-left Die Linke, said on Monday that the new association – named after herself – would court unhappy voters on the left and right, starting with next June’s European parliament elections.

“The Wagenknecht party will skim off AfD votes – what we’re seeing is an alternative to the Alternative for Germany,” Andrea Römmele, a professor and political scientist at Berlin’s Hertie School of Governance, told the public broadcaster ZDF.

Dr Benjamin Höhne, a political scientist at the University of Münster, told ARD television that the “niche BSW is opening up – stressing social justice, and at the same time … [Wagenknecht] positioning herself in a more migration-sceptical way – has potential”.

it probably will siphon votes away from AfD in former DDR states but could also toss die linke under the 5% electoral threshold so, eh

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

i say swears online posted:

solid 'meh' from me, dunno how it's better than die linke

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/german-politician-sahra-wagenknecht-leaves-die-linke-to-set-up-new-party

it probably will siphon votes away from AfD in former DDR states but could also toss die linke under the 5% electoral threshold so, eh

Yeah, the very underserved niche of being migrant critic. Genius.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

a bit risky, as it's named Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht. you can read their platform on their website.

platform is solid other than this red flag:

quote:

Immigration and the coexistence of different cultures can be enriching. However, this only applies as long as the influx remains limited to a level that does not overwhelm our country and its infrastructure, and as long as integration is actively promoted and succeeds. We know: The price for increased competition for affordable housing, for jobs with low wages and for failed integration is not primarily paid by those on the sunny side of life. Anyone who is politically persecuted in their home country is entitled to asylum. But migration is not the solution to the problem of poverty in our world. Instead, we need fair global economic relations and a policy that strives to create more prospects in our home countries.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

i say swears online posted:

solid 'meh' from me, dunno how it's better than die linke

die linke is dragging Wagenknecht for having the audacity to use the phrase "open air prison" to describe gaza

https://twitter.com/DietmarBartsch/status/1716409353010299133

while taking credit for meeting with Bernie after the SPD shunned him for not being pro-Israel enough.

https://twitter.com/GregorGysi/status/1712772161419538468

guess how Bernie described gaza before that meeting?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

weird that no anti-immigration parties ever have third-world development in their platforms

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

webcams for christ posted:

die linke is dragging Wagenknecht for having the audacity to use the phrase "open air prison" to describe gaza

lol that was her? many sides, many sides

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Are western third world development platforms anything other than using the IMF / World Bank to impose the Washington consensus or set up USAID programs?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

webcams for christ posted:

Are western third world development platforms anything other than using the IMF / World Bank to impose the Washington consensus or set up USAID programs?

anyone in power? no

imo things like belt and road have mitigated more migration to europe than many other factors but it's not like anyone white is saying thanks to china for that

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

also, what

i say swears online posted:

i think SP is still better across the board though

???



"we must deport people on a mass scale"

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

webcams for christ posted:

also, what

???



"we must deport people on a mass scale"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Netherlands)

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

i say swears online posted:

speaking of, PvdA in the netherlands has seen the same decline as other socdem parties across europe and has merged with groenlinks for the election in 30 days

i think SP is still better across the board though

SP is solidly socialy conservative, barely differing from the populist PVV, while simultaneously having an economic programme that could best be described as left-neoliberal. they're thrash

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

oscarthewilde posted:

SP is solidly socialy conservative, barely differing from the populist PVV, while simultaneously having an economic programme that could best be described as left-neoliberal. they're thrash

sucks. there are so many parties in the netherlands but i guess they're all weird or lovely. is PvdD the answer here

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005


ah. I guess I'd put my local SP ahead of Die Linke and maybe BSW. we also have PdA who are ML electoralists, but they do not have a presence outside of a couple cities

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

iunno anything about swiss politics other than anti-minaret petitions

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

cheese lovers

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

i say swears online posted:

iunno anything about swiss politics other than anti-minaret petitions

as of 2022 we have a burqa ban now too. also the Swiss electorate voted down minimum 6-week paid vacations bc they were too worried it would "hurt the economy"

federal elections were yesterday. our AFD-lite party (SVP) picked up 9 new MP seats

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

drat usually i pay attention to world elections but i guess i was distracted by argentina. lol at your two green parties eating poo poo

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

lol they deserved it

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

i say swears online posted:

sucks. there are so many parties in the netherlands but i guess they're all weird or lovely. is PvdD the answer here

it's probably the best of the worst. it's an internal mess and there's still some persistent rumours about lingering seventh-day adventist influence in the party leadership, but it's still way better than any of the other 'leftist' parties, and barely a mess compared to bij1. Dutch politics suck lmao

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

webcams for christ posted:

also the Swiss electorate voted down minimum 6-week paid vacations bc they were too worried it would "hurt the economy"

consistently the biggest pro-business cucks in europe
at least other countries have the excuse of not having referendums, the swiss literally do it to themselves

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

webcams for christ posted:

die linke is dragging Wagenknecht for having the audacity to use the phrase "open air prison" to describe gaza

https://twitter.com/DietmarBartsch/status/1716409353010299133

while taking credit for meeting with Bernie after the SPD shunned him for not being pro-Israel enough.

https://twitter.com/GregorGysi/status/1712772161419538468

guess how Bernie described gaza before that meeting?



looks decent other than the anti migrant poo poo.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Doktor Avalanche posted:

consistently the biggest pro-business cucks in europe
at least other countries have the excuse of not having referendums, the swiss literally do it to themselves

the worst was in 2020 when an initiative that would have made multinationals with Swiss offices liable for child labor, pollution, and other violations abroad won the popular vote, but lost our electoral college.

I work in the cultural sector, heavily dependent on culture subsidy that is much more subject to politics than our neighbors. I like my job but I hate the stress of elections

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
eurocommunism is a sad joke that has lasted way too long.

Noosphere
Aug 31, 2008

[[[error]]] Damn not found.
If anything, the Swiss electorate consistently voting against their own interests is a perfect illustration that even with functioning direct democracy, propaganda funded by monied interests still directs things. For some phases of the political process, the play isn't to buy politicians, but to drum up fear amongst the voting population. Jobs ! Immigration ! Number ! Every single time an initiative or referendum is brought where the "left" option has a chance of winning, the same drums are beaten until public opinion slowly but surely slips below the threshold. It's maddening.

This election cycle is the first where parties had to (incompletely) disclose their funding. No surprise, the FDP and the SVP have far more funding than the rest.

One issue that cropped up is the splitting of the left : in some cantons, there was an unholy center to far right alliance, where the Center (center-right, some "pro-family" policies which make them vote with the socialists once in a while), FDP (neoliberal right) and SVP (far right) campaigned together, encouraging people to share votes amongst their lists. Contrast this with my canton (Vaud), where the broad left competed with the PS (euro-socialists), Greens, Ensemble à Gauche (left-liberals, if I'm being uncharitable), PdA all scrambling for votes from a far narrower ideological spectrum. And as a result, the far left parties narrowly missed out on getting seats. Certainly if they'd run a unified list, EàG and the PdA could have put a candidate in parliament between them. Alas, the left splits and the right marches in lockstep.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

oscarthewilde posted:

the Dutch suck lmao

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

also completely true. gently caress us

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

The "anti migrant poo poo" is literally the entire point of the party. It's all Sahra Wagenknecht has talked about in the last 5-10 years. (Other than Russia I guess, but only in "we have to keep working with Russa because it's good for the economy" terms)

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Peggotty posted:

The "anti migrant poo poo" is literally the entire point of the party. It's all Sahra Wagenknecht has talked about in the last 5-10 years. (Other than Russia I guess, but only in "we have to keep working with Russa because it's good for the economy" terms)

Yeah, I'm fuzzy on the timeline, but I'm pretty sure the whole split with the Linke happened because she couldn't get her new and exciting migrant opinions through the party and wouldn't abide by the results.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Noosphere posted:

Alas, the left splits and the right marches in lockstep.

Usually because the left actually believe in a thing or two as a point to argue over while the right all know they're just figureheads for the same big money.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
funnily enough in france the trots have had by far the best messaging about palestine.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
it's really weird how these "left" migrant shitters also always focus on "let's militarize are borders" instead of "let's build modern infrastructure for everyone so they can prosper at home too" like their right wing friends

wait it's not weird at all, liberals are just the left wing of fascism after all

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Noosphere posted:

If anything, the Swiss electorate consistently voting against their own interests is a perfect illustration that even with functioning direct democracy, propaganda funded by monied interests still directs things. For some phases of the political process, the play isn't to buy politicians, but to drum up fear amongst the voting population. Jobs ! Immigration ! Number ! Every single time an initiative or referendum is brought where the "left" option has a chance of winning, the same drums are beaten until public opinion slowly but surely slips below the threshold. It's maddening.

This election cycle is the first where parties had to (incompletely) disclose their funding. No surprise, the FDP and the SVP have far more funding than the rest.

One issue that cropped up is the splitting of the left : in some cantons, there was an unholy center to far right alliance, where the Center (center-right, some "pro-family" policies which make them vote with the socialists once in a while), FDP (neoliberal right) and SVP (far right) campaigned together, encouraging people to share votes amongst their lists. Contrast this with my canton (Vaud), where the broad left competed with the PS (euro-socialists), Greens, Ensemble à Gauche (left-liberals, if I'm being uncharitable), PdA all scrambling for votes from a far narrower ideological spectrum. And as a result, the far left parties narrowly missed out on getting seats. Certainly if they'd run a unified list, EàG and the PdA could have put a candidate in parliament between them. Alas, the left splits and the right marches in lockstep.

that doesn't sound like a functioning democracy at all!

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1716607414672179359

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

:discourse:
https://twitter.com/BroGiudice/status/1716616611900104724?s=20

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Linked in DnD, thought we needed to see it:

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