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DrSunshine posted:Hearing all these reports of people with 4090s getting 10fps and stuff makes me really wonder what kind of machines are the developers using? Are they testing the game on normal computers or are they testing it on very specific, insanely powerful supercomputers? In my experience, during development you get very used to bad performance because a lot of the time you're running a debug build
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DrSunshine posted:Hearing all these reports of people with 4090s getting 10fps and stuff makes me really wonder what kind of machines are the developers using? Are they testing the game on normal computers or are they testing it on very specific, insanely powerful supercomputers? perfomance also seems to be all over the place, so people with 4090s may be getting absolute dogshit perfomance while someone with a 1070 can be cruising along with a nice if potatoy expereicne though 4k seems to be the killer so once again the smart 2k high fps buyer wins again 
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DrSunshine posted:Hearing all these reports of people with 4090s getting 10fps and stuff makes me really wonder what kind of machines are the developers using? Are they testing the game on normal computers or are they testing it on very specific, insanely powerful supercomputers? They probably just turned off the 3 settings dragging down performance like the rest of us. Alternatively maybe they're usually running debug builds and stuff that are slower than what would be released anyway.
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I'm downloading the game now. I don't need 60 fps graphics in my city building game, as long as the mouse cursor can move smoothly. Would people be happier if they had released it as "early access", with a note that the game is feature complete, but they want to collect more data on how it performs on a wide range of machines while working on optimization and perhaps default settings? Perhaps only 1-2 months of EA like that.
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A lot of people complaining about FPS might be well served by turning off their fps overlay and just playing the game. Playing last night on my 3 year old rig following the standard setting adjustments and game felt just fine. An occasional stutter when swapping infoviews, but besides that it felt no worse than cs1. There are definitely some ui/gameplay issues that need polishing for sure. But compared to kerbal2 release this game is just fine.
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explosivo posted:This is crazy, like right out the gate trying to temper people's expectations of even being able to hit 60 as a target. Pushing 30fps to PC gamers has always worked well..
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Tarnop posted:In my experience, during development you get very used to bad performance because a lot of the time you're running a debug build piratepilates posted:They probably just turned off the 3 settings dragging down performance like the rest of us. Alternatively maybe they're usually running debug builds and stuff that are slower than what would be released anyway. I'm no software developer, as you can probably tell, so this was an enlightening post, thanks!
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DrSunshine posted:I'm no software developer, as you can probably tell, so this was an enlightening post, thanks! There's also the other reality behind it: there's never enough time, there's always more things to polish, and what is the alternative if you run out of time? You either delay (big financial repercussions, publisher isn't going to like it, and as much as fans loudly proclaim they should delay, they'd be just as upset if it was delayed), or you ship and hope to patch later. Every bit of performance optimization comes at the expense of time to polish or implement something else.
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I also wonder how much better the game would have been received if by default all of those settings were off. Like, it shouldn't be on the player to have to search around to find an optimized list of things to do, even if they send out a steam update explaining what to do. Just make it the default and people can mess in their settings if they want to screw around.
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piratepilates posted:There's also the other reality behind it: there's never enough time, there's always more things to polish, and what is the alternative if you run out of time? You either delay (big financial repercussions, publisher isn't going to like it, and as much as fans loudly proclaim they should delay, they'd be just as upset if it was delayed), or you ship and hope to patch later. Every bit of performance optimization comes at the expense of time to polish or implement something else. Yeah, I've never worked on a game that was Done, only games that were Done Enough. It's rare that the devs get to decide what that means
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Oct 25, 2023 16:11
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SpaceCadetBob posted:A lot of people complaining about FPS might be well served by turning off their fps overlay and just playing the game. This. My gaming laptop is 3 years old and certainly not top spec, but after the recommended tweaks it's running fine with occasional stutters on zoom.
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Clouseau posted:I also wonder how much better the game would have been received if by default all of those settings were off. Like, it shouldn't be on the player to have to search around to find an optimized list of things to do, even if they send out a steam update explaining what to do. Just make it the default and people can mess in their settings if they want to screw around. I wonder if if might be an optics thing. A game being set so the graphics are so high that it lags the game and forces the player to turn them down might piss them off, but if the game is set to low and is playable then a decent number of people will just go "wow the graphics for this are poo poo" as their first impression.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Eh. I may be in the minority but I don't really care about my city builder getting 60 fps. But it definitely should be able to maintain a smooth 30 as a minimum without stuttering. They should make the game look simpler until it runs at 60 fps.
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Maybe this is because I came into it expecting terrible performance, or maybe it's because I turned off all of the settings I saw folks recommend before my first time playing, but honestly the performance doesn't bother me much at all. What does bother me is how finicky the roads and grids are. It's worse than CS1. I shouldn't have to play with 5 different toggles every time I want to lay down new roads. Also, I have only tried two of the maps thus far, but none of the maps really jump out as enjoyable to me. The first one I tried had virtually no flat spots to easily build on. I'm really annoyed that there isn't a map builder packaged with vanilla.
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I’ve seen a lot of folks say they want zoning toggles and I do too, but there is a not too difficult work around seen in this vid only about 1min in: https://youtu.be/g9yESIzeyQ0?si=vWc0Z_ayZOqwzqOL Most people figure out the townhomes one by themselves but the road replacement he uses for single family homes is slick.
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Tarnop posted:Yeah, I've never worked on a game that was Done, only games that were Done Enough. It's rare that the devs get to decide what that means its the old Lorne Michaels saying about SNL "The show doesn't go on because it's ready; it goes on because it's 11:30."
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are people sharing saved games anywhere? i like seeing peoples stuff.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:A lot of people complaining about FPS might be well served by turning off their fps overlay and just playing the game. Yup. If it isn't playable that's one thing but if you're getting big mad because it's at 40 instead of 60 the problem is you. I have no idea what FPS any of my games run at. Join me. It's a good life.
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Just eat the slop, please don't complain about the slop. And we wonder why games aren't finished before release.
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I keep being terrible at planning and with the gated unlocks my starter town is already a hot mess of basically local road grids only with a few 4 lane roads upgraded on the most trafficked stretches connecting R to C to I. If anyone has a primer guide on how to properly plan road infrastructure that a casual could follow, I would be grateful. Do you guys just tear down everything and replace on the fly when this happens? Move entire neighborhoods around etc? I definitely need to put down more roads and/or some roundabouts now or gridlock will be devastating soon. Hate that you have to manually move buildings like schools etc when you want to make a road bigger, if there is space behind it it should just move back 1 tile or 2 automatically!
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err posted:are people sharing saved games anywhere? i like seeing peoples stuff. This will very quickly become impossible as everyone is running 700 mods/assets and no two players will ever have the same modlist
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Consul_Incitatus posted:Maybe this is because I came into it expecting terrible performance, or maybe it's because I turned off all of the settings I saw folks recommend before my first time playing, but honestly the performance doesn't bother me much at all. This is pretty much how I'm feeling at the moment, but for every route placement tool in the game. Pipes, power lines, all of it. If you think the road tools are bad, get ready for pain if you decide to build a subway. The performance is totally playable, I just have an expectation that if a game is going to stress my system this hard it should look better than CS2. I'm going to play with noise cancelling headphones on tonight, maybe if I can't hear the fans going it won't feel so bad
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Eric the Mauve posted:This will very quickly become impossible as everyone is running 700 mods/assets and no two players will ever have the same modlist Since they're using their own bespoke Paradox mod ecosystem, when you load a save it should just be a one-click to download and activate all the mods used in a save, right? ...Right?
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I think it's more fun to not bulldoze too much. In a real city, the right of way of a road is a magical thing and it tends to stay stable over time. There are cities with road layouts that haven't significantly changed in literally thousands of years. So I try to make bulldozing roads a last resort option (once the area is set and running; you'll bulldoze and rebuild a lot when putting it together since the tools don't do exactly what you intended) and instead work around them, it makes limitations that are interesting to play with. That said it's a game so do what you gotta do.  For a game that does not handle hills well, this River Delta map is hilly as all gently caress and it's rough man. I'm considering buying a bunch of tiles, terraforming them, then starting my city again over there and blowing up the original.
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Maybe the first post should be updated with resources for C:S2, since its out. .....namely the performance fixes and beginner tutorial videos, since it's all unrelated C:S1 stuff like recommended mods now. Doesn't look like it's been updated in 8 years, and Dr. Space Kablooey hasn't posted in here in 7.
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Grand Fromage posted:That said it's a game so do what you gotta do. My city is on Twin Mountains or whatever it's called and good lord. I might post some pics later, definitely 
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First map I tried was the sweeping plains. Nothing flat. Tried to build on it three times before swapping to river delta. Now I'm on Lakeland following the city planner plays tutorial. At least this one is playable.
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What about mods? Any way to get more maps? Like the Tampere preorder map.. if you didn't preorder?
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piratepilates posted:Maybe the first post should be updated with resources for C:S2, since its out. Should probably just be a new thread IMHO
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Editor and mods are coming at some indeterminate future point. Probably not that far off since they gave a bunch of big CS1 mod/asset makers early access to it to get started.
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Was this done earlier already? Sorry for not using the original font, too much  
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FWIW, people on the GeForce NOW subreddit are saying the game runs well (on the premium, 4080 tier). CO has a limited number of vouchers for a free month of it if you connect your Steam/PDX accounts* and register, so I'd recommend checking that out if you're having issues. *I'm guessing as damage control Ihmemies posted:Was this done earlier already? Sorry for not using the original font, too much 
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Ihmemies posted:Was this done earlier already? Sorry for not using the original font, too much You can use this: https://deathgenerator.com/#sc2k 
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Negostrike posted:You can use this: https://deathgenerator.com/#sc2k Dang, that's a bookmark
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So I noticed a commercial building on fire and zoomed in to have a look, didn't pause in time to catch the fire engine doing its work but did find the cause(?) of the fire: errr ignore the city name  !  poor chap
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I'm actually having a very good time in this game, already had someone tweet something about an aurora borealis, and when I tilted up there it was, situated directly in my game :pika: Also the renaming everything is very funny to me  Literally the only company struggling in my entire city
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Losing an hour of progress to a crash and no autosave saps my desire to play. Why is autosave default disabled...
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Negostrike posted:You can use this: https://deathgenerator.com/#sc2k Thanks. I think sc2k used a custom sprite tileset font, and copying the letters one by one in photoshop.. no. Of course someone had coded a tool to generate memes based that!
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The underground road construction is madness. Even worse is the underground subway construction. It snaps to your old one, but it's actually just a lower level and isn't connected. No good way to see what is where. Building subway stations is madness, but connecting those rails is worse. You see a faint grey outline of where the stations are, that's it!
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Vahakyla posted:The underground road construction is madness. Even worse is the underground subway construction. It snaps to your old one, but it's actually just a lower level and isn't connected. No good way to see what is where. Stations also seem to be at random depths depending on how the area above looks. I've had stations at -40m, -30m and -20m, trying to figure out how to connect those is driving me crazy what with the rails snapping to the position of the rail horizontally but not vertically.
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