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Retro42 posted:Been mentioned before but I think Trump has FAR less COH than people think. His personal interest in this trial in particular is because it's his revenue stream yeah, but also if all his companies die all the bills are due and THAT isn't something he can handle I think. I don't know NY law but I'm assuming outstanding debt gets priority when his companies are dismantled. He’s able to raise funds at a pace that far outruns the sanctions he’s been given. I think this is wishful accounting on your part.
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Honestly, this just seems like a path of least resistance type scenario where Trump just racks up millions of dollars in fines because it allows the Judge to punish him without having to make a possibly controversial decision to jail him for FREE SPEECH and allows Trump to keep tweeting as long as he donates six figures to the city's budget for every violation.
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Honestly, if Georgia can extract millions/billions of dollars from Trump for use by the taxpayers I'd say go for it.
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Oct 25, 2023 20:27
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This is the NY bench trial (which hes already found guilty of fraud, and only the severity of the consequences is currently being tried) and not the Georgia criminal case. Also some live reporting of Trump big baby storming out of the court room after the judge slapped down his request to make a ruling (on the spot) and end the trial.
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Retro42 posted:Been mentioned before but I think Trump has FAR less COH than people think. His personal interest in this trial in particular is because it's his revenue stream yeah, but also if all his companies die all the bills are due and THAT isn't something he can handle I think. I don't know NY law but I'm assuming outstanding debt gets priority when his companies are dismantled. Friends, we're doing great in our quest to Make America Great Again. But deranged Jack Smith and the corrupt DoJ are intent on keeping YOUR president from being re-elected again. I need your help to make sure we WIN in 2024 and finish draining the swamp. Please click the button below and know that your contribution will help defeat crooked Joe Biden and the deep state. MAGA! 
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https://twitter.com/ShawnReynolds_/status/1717262813301702800 He's lamming it or he drank too much coffee
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Oct 25, 2023 21:01
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Here's a bit more from the live blogquote:Asked if Trump or Weisselberg directed him to inflate the numbers on his personal statement, Cohen said: "Not that I recall."
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Oct 25, 2023 21:02
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Gonna take a dump and come back and get that verdict, Lamar Jackson-style
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zoux posted:Here's a bit more from the live blog What does directed verdict mean here? Like asking the judge to take back the guilty verdict he already applied?
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zoux posted:Here's a bit more from the live blog So this judge is just an absolute chump or what? Trump has twice defied a gag order, then just gets up and leaves, and he still won't do anything meaningful about it?
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He closed court early and called Trump back in for something. It was like a 90 second meet up apparently but haven’t read and they didn’t say on cable what exactly was discussed.
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The Bible posted:So this judge is just an absolute chump or what? Trump has twice defied a gag order, then just gets up and leaves, and he still won't do anything meaningful about it? I'm pretty sure Trump never had to be there in the first place, just his lawyers. He was just there for the attention.
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Bird in a Blender posted:What does directed verdict mean here? Like asking the judge to take back the guilty verdict he already applied? I'm not an attorney, but entering a directed verdict means the court is saying "This court is ruling now, and the evidence is so one-sided that the court cannot see any reasonable jury saying otherwise". At least according to my source ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/directed_verdict ): code:The judge was not about to throw out the entire case because one witness gave an "I don't remember" statement on the stand. Trump, it seems, took offense to the concept of being told "no" so bluntly, even indirectly, and did what he does. If anyone here's more informed, please feel free to correct me, but this is my read.
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KillHour posted:The SAG strike meant the producers for America needed to move to a reality show format again, huh? Honestly, Big House Trump done in the style of Big Brother where the challenges get him a cheeseburger or 2 minutes of Twitter would probably be a ratings juggernaut. The Bible posted:So this judge is just an absolute chump or what? Trump has twice defied a gag order, then just gets up and leaves, and he still won't do anything meaningful about it? A $5k and $10k fine are, within our current system, reasonable and escalating reactions to the violation of a gag order by a rich and powerful guy. Storming out of the court seems to have just happened, so we'll have to see what the ruling on that will be. So it's still to early to start calling the judge a chump. Our of curiosity, what are the limitations on purposefully humiliating sanctions from the bench? Like, could the judge fine Trump some money and require him to wear only Italian cut suits for the next year?
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I'm pretty sure Trump isn't required to be in this courtroom, and can leave at any time (Within the bounds of more general respect for the court - I assume that 90 second private meeting Engeron called him in for was to remind him of that). He's there partly because he can say "Look they're persecuting me, and this is a political hit job to keep me busy in court instead of out campaigning." and partly because the perception of his personal wealth is tremendously important to him and he's desperate to find a way to maintain the view that he is unfathomably rich.
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What is the mechanism to actually charge the fines? Like, does a big claw come and grab Trump and shake the money out of him? Like, is there a deadline for him to pay the fines by with a consequence?
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It was a matter of time until a judge with seniority and nothing to lose started reminding Trump how court works. Engoron is the comic relief that we did not know we needed before the trials of 2024
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Oxyclean posted:What is the mechanism to actually charge the fines? Like, does a big claw come and grab Trump and shake the money out of him? Standard debt collection procedures if he doesn't pay. If they can find one of Trump's bank accounts (not an issue I'm sure for the Government) they can place a lien on it and force the bank to hand over the amount due. They would give him an opportunity to pay first though. And failure to pay would also make the judge likely to invoke non-monetary punishments like jail.
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Exclusive: Fulton County DA has discussed plea deals with at least 6 more Trump co-defendants https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/politics/fulton-county-da-is-discussing-plea-deals-with-at-least-5-more-trump-co-defendants
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Neodymium posted:... it wasn't so much that as Neodymium posted:Trump, it seems, took offense to the concept of being told "no" so bluntly, even indirectly, and did what he does... this. The truly absurd part was that Cohen wasn't saying that Trump didn't direct him to crime; only that he did not say it in those words Trump's not bothered by the amount of the fine; he's losing his poo poo because someone ordered him to do something.
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PainterofCrap posted:i And called him out as a liar to his face and made it stick. More of an actual consequence than he's faced in years. Erogan knew exactly what he was doing today.
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Treating Trump like the child he acts like is the best thing I’ve seen in a while. I expect it will be trivial to watch him tantrum spiral out of control and do something really dumb. Since he’s been called on it twice now and he thinks he’s clever he’s going to try and do it again a similar stupid nudge nudge excuse like he tried to give today. I’d bet money on it.
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Meanwhile, in 14th Amendment Land, Colorado judge paves way for trial on whether 14th Amendment disqualifies Trump from office quote:
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The Colorado case is interesting because as I understand it their constitution requires an active decision on if someone is qualified to be on the ballot. So it looks like it moots the self-enforcing question because the constitution already says it shall be enforced. So, assuming Colorado agrees that Trump is disqualified from being on the ballot and that is upheld by SCOTUS does that then provide a basis for other states to adopt that result? I guess it would depend on how narrowly SCOTUS rules?
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Murgos posted:The Colorado case is interesting because as I understand it their constitution requires an active decision on if someone is qualified to be on the ballot. My guess is that she'll rule that Jan6 was indeed an insurrection, but that there is insufficient evidence at this time to show that Trump directly participated in it. It may then be revisited after Jack Smith is done.
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Murgos posted:The Colorado case is interesting because as I understand it their constitution requires an active decision on if someone is qualified to be on the ballot. It seems like the whole thing is being based on the Colorado Constitution, so it would depend on whether the specific clauses are present in other state's constitutions. Even in a total loss by Trump in this case, it's quite possible that it would only pertain to Colorado and other interested states would have to find separate reasoning within their own constitution. "Colorado did it" isn't much of a bedrock for other cases.
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How would that interact with the Republican primary? Like what happens if they nominate somebody who legally can’t run in a state?
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My guess is that when they fill out whatever government form is required to submit someone to be on the ballot, an invalid request would be denied.
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If the party doesn’t put forth a ticket the state allows, Colorado just won’t have a republican presidential choice on the ballot. They’ll still have a dozen other cranks like usual, Colorado is one of those states that makes it easy to run for pres. It’d slaughter GOP downballot races in the state I’d think 
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The GOP would probably just run whoever the VP candidate is for the possible Colorado EC votes. Which would set up a theoretical situation where Biden is Pres and has a Republican VP.
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Gyges posted:The GOP would probably just run whoever the VP candidate is for the possible Colorado EC votes. Which would set up a theoretical situation where Biden is Pres and has a Republican VP. With how powerless -unless it's a Bush case where they specifically give them power- would this effect anything other than having the tie vote in the senate and possibly being sorta funny. Was a time when the VP was just the runner up in the presidential race so you know normally the opposition.
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Struck me earlier that no matter what the outcome of various trials and investigations turn out to be, the situation re: Trump in a year and a couple of weeks is almost certainly going to be completely unrecognizable from today. Like yeah that's extremely obvious, but at the same time it's kind of surreal to know that some serious poo poo is almost certainly going to happen but not to know exactly what, or to have any idea how it'll effect things.
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Ms Adequate posted:Struck me earlier that no matter what the outcome of various trials and investigations turn out to be, the situation re: Trump in a year and a couple of weeks is almost certainly going to be completely unrecognizable from today. I'm sure it's all going to be good stuff. The only guarantees we have are some good lols mixed with periods of extremely existential horror
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dr_rat posted:With how powerless -unless it's a Bush case where they specifically give them power- would this effect anything other than having the tie vote in the senate and possibly being sorta funny. In addition to Senate ties and having to find another "America is serious about this issue/diplomacy. But not President serious" individual, there's the looming issue of Joe Biden being old as gently caress. Like, every time Biden stuttered or tripped on some stairs, you'd be worried about the absolute psychopath who passed and accepted Trump's vetting process taking over.
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My main question for the next year is how Trump's legal issues will affect GOP fundraising. Republicans paid a ton of money to his lawyers already - are they/will they be on the hook for his continued legal issues, and how will that impact their ability to fund other candidates' races? Will it even matter? I realize it's unanswerable but I wonder if anyone is trying to model this yet.
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Shooting Blanks posted:My main question for the next year is how Trump's legal issues will affect GOP fundraising. Republicans paid a ton of money to his lawyers already - are they/will they be on the hook for his continued legal issues, and how will that impact their ability to fund other candidates' races? Will it even matter? I realize it's unanswerable but I wonder if anyone is trying to model this yet. I believe the biggest problem they're having is that so many brainwashed idiots are deep in the MAGA cult and keep giving money to Trump instead of other people in other offices. Not them being directly on the hook for Trump's costs, just him so aggressively grifting that every thing around him withers and dies.
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Shooting Blanks posted:My main question for the next year is how Trump's legal issues will affect GOP fundraising. Republicans paid a ton of money to his lawyers already - are they/will they be on the hook for his continued legal issues, and how will that impact their ability to fund other candidates' races? Will it even matter? I realize it's unanswerable but I wonder if anyone is trying to model this yet.
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