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Thinking back on it, Shrek's main deal in the first movie is that he acts like a jerk because everyone sees him as a terrifying beast and won't give him the benefit of the doubt but he chills out when Donkey and Fiona treat him like a real person with layers. I think that's a pretty good character arc for a kids movie, and I appreciate that they didn't go with some cliche moral you usually see in that kinda genre.
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smash mouth ogre eat the eggman
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big mean giraffe posted:Some of us can't stop thinking about eggman They are the walrus.
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Woolie Wool posted:sorry no one's gonna read your erotic sonic fanfic You don’t speak for all of us.
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emSparkly posted:Thinking back on it, Shrek's main deal in the first movie is that he acts like a jerk because everyone sees him as a terrifying beast and won't give him the benefit of the doubt but he chills out when Donkey and Fiona treat him like a real person with layers. I think that's a pretty good character arc for a kids movie, and I appreciate that they didn't go with some cliche moral you usually see in that kinda genre. actually i didn't really get the impression that he came off as much of a jerk at all. when the villagers initially invaded his village, he scared them off, but was having fun doing so, and didn't actually harm anyone. he went on the mission to find the princess because his home was filled with people who were forced to stay there cause of farquad. that's a pretty good reason to be in a bad disposition! the main development he goes through is falling in love with fiona, but that's about it.
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The best Shrek song was Accidently in Love from Shrek 2.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:The best Shrek song was Accidently in Love from Shrek 2. Counting Crows was a weird choice to write a happy love song but they pulled it off.
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I forget if it was in this thread or another thread that mentioned it but I was talking to my friend who was gushing to me about the quality of episodes of Star Trek: the Next Generation on Paramount Plus. I've been meaning to check it out for a while and I finally did and holy crap they look absolutely amazing!  A couple of years ago I was working at a company that was helping in the remaster of shows like Knight Rider and the live action Incredible Hulk, and while they definitely looked far better than their TV broadcast from the '80s and '90s, you could still see things like film grain and dirt and artifacts and such. and that's why I was very impressed by these Star Trek episodes because the quality seems absolutely pristine. Whoever did a job of preserving these old episodes hopefully got a massive raise cause this is some of the best remaster work I've ever seen especially for a show this old. The last time I was this impressed was when I saw a blu-ray of 2001: A Space Odyssey in 2007 and well...that movie no doubt has been tampered by black magic as it's the only scientific explanation for why it still looks so incredible. And then you go on to check how Deep Space Nine looks and get immediately saddened. 
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Mr Interweb posted:I forget if it was in this thread or another thread that mentioned it but I was talking to my friend who was gushing to me about the quality of episodes of Star Trek: the Next Generation on Paramount Plus. I've been meaning to check it out for a while and I finally did and holy crap they look absolutely amazing! Well with how much the DS9 cast chewed the scenery, they had to disguise the teeth marks on the set.
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emSparkly posted:Thinking back on it, Shrek's main deal in the first movie is that he acts like a jerk because everyone sees him as a terrifying beast and won't give him the benefit of the doubt but he chills out when Donkey and Fiona treat him like a real person with layers. I think that's a pretty good character arc for a kids movie, and I appreciate that they didn't go with some cliche moral you usually see in that kinda genre. Also, the twist is that the curse lifting her keeps her as an ogre is pretty awesome too for a kids movie because the whole point is that it isn't about outside appearances. Beauty and The Beast is an amazing movie but as someone pointed out she falls in love with him and gets rewarded by making the beast traditionally beautiful.
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The TNG remasters were unique - they went back to the Paramount archives, and located all the original film. Then they remastered the film, and then reconstructed the episodes based on the original camera scripts. Then they added effects consistent with what was on screen (occasionally fixing things like a phaser coming from the torpedo launcher), so it’s probably the best overall remaster possible! The only trouble was that the remastering was ridiculously expensive, and the bluray sales didn’t justify moving on to DS9 or Voyager. I do wonder how much that was them putting the remasters on Netflix, so removing a lot of the value in the blurays…
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Yeah it was one of the most painstaking remasters of all time, and it shows. TOS also looks great, but that was a bit easier because 95% of it was simply film reels they could directly rescan. The effects shots look weird but there aren't really that many. Once you get to the era of stuff being mastered to video it gets way more complicated. And if it was shot on video you can pretty much forget it.
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Yeah, TNG (and probably DS9 and Voyager) was shot on film, but then edited on video. So the original shots look amazing when scanned in on modern hardware, but the finished episodes look like poo poo. So they had to find all of the original, unedited footage, and rebuild the episodes matching the original edits. Plus making new effects for things that weren't done in-camera. It's tons of work and very expensive, which is why they only did TNG. This is why tons of outtakes suddenly surfaced and look amazing, because they found the while scanning the film. They even put out an alternate longer edit of The Measure of a Man with scenes that didn't make the final cut.
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Sir Lemming posted:TOS also looks great, but that was a bit easier because 95% of it was simply film reels they could directly rescan. The effects shots look weird but there aren't really that many.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:The best Shrek song was Accidentally in Love from Shrek 2. Seconding this. What a great song.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Also, the twist is that the curse lifting her keeps her as an ogre is pretty awesome too for a kids movie because the whole point is that it isn't about outside appearances. Beauty and The Beast is an amazing movie but as someone pointed out she falls in love with him and gets rewarded by making the beast traditionally beautiful. Ogre Fiona is more attractive than human Fiona.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Ogre Fiona is more attractive than human Fiona. Similarly, a lot of people can't stand Human!Beast but are extremely horny for the monstrous version
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It's like they spend time on the ugly monster characters to make them palatable as eventual love interests, then straight up don't bother for the standard model. Like Beast was definitely designed to be a handsome, princely kind of beast that could be cleaned up to look sleek and bordering on sexy. Then he's human and he looks like Fabio after the goose hit him
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Brawnfire posted:It's like they spend time on the ugly monster characters to make them palatable as eventual love interests, then straight up don't bother for the standard model. Yeah it's probably this. Human Eric is only onscreen for, what, two minutes total? It's understandable they put way less effort into polishing his design compared to the monster-guy whose gonna be seen for most of the movie's runtime and is gonna be annoying to animate unless you get him juuuuust right. Sadly, like how that scene of Ariel marveling at her newly acquired legs inspired a generation of nascent foot-fetishists, the Beast has caused his own ripples.
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Asterite34 posted:Sadly, like how that scene of Ariel marveling at her newly acquired legs inspired a generation of nascent foot-fetishists, the Beast has caused his own ripples. Hey, don't blame the existence of furries on Beast. There was a whole generation of kids that were raised on anthropomorphic animals and sexy humans with animal features.
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Randalor posted:Hey, don't blame the existence of furries on Beast. There was a whole generation of kids that were raised on anthropomorphic animals and sexy humans with animal features. "Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?"
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Randalor posted:Hey, don't blame the existence of furries on Beast. There was a whole generation of kids that were raised on anthropomorphic animals and sexy humans with animal features. Yeah, blame Robin Hood.
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Randalor posted:Hey, don't blame the existence of furries on Beast. There was a whole generation of kids that were raised on anthropomorphic animals and sexy humans with animal features. I'm a straight dude who isn't a furry or scaly, and even I want to gently caress Goliath from Gargoyles. Edit: And if you say any different you're a liar. 
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DrBouvenstein posted:I'm a straight dude who isn't a furry or scaly, and even I want to gently caress Goliath from Gargoyles. It's the voice
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DrBouvenstein posted:I'm a straight dude who isn't a furry or scaly, and even I want to gently caress Goliath from Gargoyles. 
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bunnyofdoom posted:It's the voice Everyone can be horny for Keith David's voice no matter what form it takes. It's perfectly fine.
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imo human Fiona is kind of a cool design twist because she looks like the other lovely annoying humans in the Shrek world and it's probably on purpose. She looks a little like a villain. edit: Shrek Discourse is honestly one of the more interesting topics this thread has covered recently! It has aged well imo!
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The original Witcher short stories had a Beauty and the Beast bit where he decided to stay the Beast because he was stronger and tougher. Also he just paid for village women to live with him.
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Also the Beast wasn't prince Eric, Eric was Little Mermaid. The Beast's human name as far as the fans are concerned is Adam I think.
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Kit Walker posted:Similarly, a lot of people can't stand Human!Beast but are extremely horny for the monstrous version I mean Kelsey Grammar was never much of a catch
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BioEnchanted posted:Also the Beast wasn't prince Eric, Eric was Little Mermaid. The Beast's human name as far as the fans are concerned is Adam I think. Surely he would have a French name?
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I can't believe we live in an era of AI and deepfakes but I don't have access to a video of Beast falling off a stage and saying 'oh good lord!'
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Ror posted:I can't believe we live in an era of AI and deepfakes but I don't have access to a video of Beast falling off a stage and saying 'oh good lord!' "So I was going through Krakoa pretending I was a UN interpreter..."
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teethgrinder posted:I thought they did a really nice simple clean job with the effects ... they just didn't look remotely as cheesy as I remembered. Some of them are super grainy for reasons I can't remember. Like the way they composited them or something, and it couldn't be scanned as cleanly as the stuff that was pure film.
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Shrek was the movie that afterschool groups and the like put on for the kids to watch when I was growing up. I think it was the only animated movie cynical adults liked.
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Crowetron posted:Surely he would have a French name? you're gonna poo poo your pants when you find out what the French form of Adam is
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Alaois posted:you're gonna poo poo your pants when you find out what the French form of Adam is Adamoiselle? 
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Alaois posted:you're gonna poo poo your pants when you find out what the French form of Adam is Aw jeez
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BioEnchanted posted:Adamoiselle? Ãdám.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I'm a straight dude who isn't a furry or scaly, and even I want to gently caress Goliath from Gargoyles. I'm fairly sure many of the characters in-universe want to, including Xanatos. He's literally built as a huge muscular hunk with gentle mannerisms and a deep baritone. On that note, Optimus Prime would probably get the same reason if he was slightly more humanised. (And one show even made a joke about a human woman being disappointed at his absence) Voice acting does a lot, of course. I still think that's half the reason the furries are crazy over Renamon in a franchise that has numerous giant titty angels and demons. CJacobs posted:imo human Fiona is kind of a cool design twist because she looks like the other lovely annoying humans in the Shrek world and it's probably on purpose. She looks a little like a villain. That's definitely on purpose, they put a lot of effort into the designs in Shrek. The humans for the most part are deliberately lovely and annoying compared to the fantasy creatures and designed to look it, with the point being that a mere human is rather boring and dull compared to the interesting and expressive fantasy creatures- and so of course the villains want to get rid of said creatures out of arbitrary personal pettiness. They can and do design sympathetic or prominent human characters to be more interesting. (Goldilocks in The Last Wish comes to mind... also funny that Jack Horner probably has by far the most cartoonish design in contrast to the other relatively realistically proportioned humans) Also gets played with in Shrek 2 where there's literally a potion that turns characters into more 'ideal' fairy-tale forms, turning Fiona back into her human form, Donkey into a mighty white stallion (which he seems to enjoy, mind, but for him it's basically a Steve Rogers transformation) and Shrek... is still a huge and lumpy dude but in a more aw-shucks rosy-cheeked gentle giant kind of way. Kinda funny to think the potion only had so much to work with. Possibly one of the reasons it's still so popular; for having all its adult jokes and sensibilities- and for that matter, a cast who are all adults who look and act like them, Shrek does kinda have a vibe that probably appeals to kids and fans of animation, that they like things that are weird and a bit gross and messy, and grown-ups who insist everything has to be serious and normal and star perfect pretty people doing things exactly the way they always have is insufferably boring and tedious. Probably just coming from the whole thing being potshots at Eisner and Disney in general, but Disney has if anything only doubled and tripled down on that.
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