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I have severe doubts that human beings will ever be able to create vat-grown meat. You can't just make an organism, let alone parts of one without the rest of it. Much more likely is climate change, resource depletion, and ecological collapse making meat, especially beef, an expensive luxury, like it was for most places in the world for most of human history.
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Me watching lab meat discourse pop up again.
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Woolie Wool posted:I have severe doubts that human beings will ever be able to create vat-grown meat. You can't just make an organism, let alone parts of one without the rest of it. Much more likely is climate change, resource depletion, and ecological collapse making meat, especially beef, an expensive luxury, like it was for most places in the world for most of human history. You expect like tubes and oxygen and blood and circulatory systems? I mean it won't BE meat in that it's a slab of muscle, it will just be an approximation of what meat feels like to cook, eat and chew plus whatever nutrients we shove into it. Call it 'meat replacement' or whatever you'd like. It won't ever be alive, imho. Kind of like the steak I see at Costco. You skip all the life part and go right to the slab of protein. As for obsolete, awesome 90s action movie posters: 
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Oct 26, 2023 02:21
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They already have, it's just ludicrously expensive
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Oct 26, 2023 02:30
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Get this though: beans.
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Oct 26, 2023 02:39
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By popular demand posted:Also the pope declared capybara counted as fish. I disliked this
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Tunicate posted:They already have, it's just ludicrously expensive This, no company has solved the problems of vat grown meat production at scale so it exists it's just like ten times the cost of regular cow. Not ready for commercial use at all, more of a bespoke curiosity.
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Oct 26, 2023 04:08
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Snake Maze posted:And what about those luddites who refuse to use a teleporter? “Oh I’ll just cross through literally every point in space between me and my destination instead.” What a bunch of losers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUXKUcsvhQc
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Oct 26, 2023 05:06
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Kwyndig posted:This, no company has solved the problems of vat grown meat production at scale so it exists it's just like ten times the cost of regular cow. Not ready for commercial use at all, more of a bespoke curiosity. You sound like those cars won't beat horses kinda dudes
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Unperson_47 posted:Get this though: beans. Yeah I wasn't going to say anything but the U.S. is lagging way behind on bean technology. Not only dwarfed by massive bean paste production to the south but you didn't even master the humble midestern hummos!
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Oct 26, 2023 08:19
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Wasabi the J posted:You sound like those cars won't beat horses kinda dudes I'll never give up the warm soft glow of my whale oil lantern
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Oct 26, 2023 10:23
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Woolie Wool posted:I have severe doubts that human beings will ever be able to create vat-grown meat. You can't just make an organism, let alone parts of one without the rest of it. I had some last month.  
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Oct 26, 2023 12:09
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Wasabi the J posted:You sound like those cars won't beat horses kinda dudes The difference is unless there's some miraculous breakthrough in tissue growth I'll continue to be correct. They still haven't solved the immunity problem and that's the biggest hurdle to commercialization of vat grown meat, it's hard to make a profit and stay competitive when any infection will ruin your entire bioreactor.
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Oct 26, 2023 13:00
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Wasabi the J posted:You sound like those cars won't beat horses kinda dudes It's not that difficult to make a machine that can move faster than a horse. It's pretty difficult to make a machine that can grow meat better than a pig or a cow.
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Oct 26, 2023 13:23
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Capilarean posted:It's not that difficult to make a machine that can move faster than a horse. How many have you made?
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Oct 26, 2023 13:45
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Capilarean posted:It's not that difficult to make a machine that can move faster than a horse. It's pretty difficult to make a machine that can grow meat better than a pig or a cow. It's not difficult now that we've done it. But it took over a hundred years of innovation to get cars where they are now. Research leads to discovery which leads to improving processes. A few decades ago you'd say it's impossible to do what they are doing now, and here they are, doing it.
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Oct 26, 2023 15:22
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Betcha within a few decades people will be growing meat in their homes like they do with herbs.
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Oct 26, 2023 15:31
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Oh wow, I always loved this but couldn't remember the name of it. Thank you for posting it.
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Oct 26, 2023 15:44
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This argument makes meat and meat-like substances sound like an overcomplicated obsolete tech, kinda like combustion engines and digital watches. Beans are clearly the future. Beans and vegetarian mapo tofu.
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barbecue at the folks posted:vegetarian mapo tofu. You have my vote
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Oct 26, 2023 16:33
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GreenNight posted:Betcha within a few decades people will be growing meat in their homes like they do with herbs. Nah we'll be buying it but sanctimonious influencers will be shaming us for not growing it at home; so there'll be a few months where everyone grows meat like they did with sourdough until we just go back to buying it, again.
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Oct 26, 2023 16:55
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KakerMix posted:Because people are dumb as heck and also ignorant. I'd really like to print out a beef-style protein matrix at 80/20 with perfect marbling and no puss, bacteria, fungus or viruses, and no gristle. So will you add the pussy in the next iteration or is it a separate product
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Oct 26, 2023 17:28
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Cojawfee posted:It's not difficult now that we've done it. But it took over a hundred years of innovation to get cars where they are now. Research leads to discovery which leads to improving processes. A few decades ago you'd say it's impossible to do what they are doing now, and here they are, doing it. Wasabi the J posted:Nah we'll be buying it but sanctimonious influencers will be shaming us for not growing it at home; so there'll be a few months where everyone grows meat like they did with sourdough until we just go back to buying it, again. Is that kinda like how for 4-5 years, every white girl with a DSLR camera was a "photographer"?
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Haven't seen it mentioned in this thread, but I've always been a fan of vintage clock radios - especially 80s stuff. I was checking out ebay for cool ones and got reminded of one of my favorite categories of household electronics: under-cabinet media devices! GE Spacemaker is really the only brand I know about for them, but there was everything from AM/FM, to televisions (as pictured), and they made them long enough that CD players were put out at some point. A lot of them had a lightbulb built in, too, for some classy undercabinet lighting. I know there were electric can openers, too, but that's a lot more boring. The odds that I'll put at least a cassette player one in my kitchen one day is pretty good.
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Oct 27, 2023 00:07
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I need a color tv radio in the kitchen companion range.
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Oct 27, 2023 00:08
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This one has the ability to store up to THREE digital voice memos!!!
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Oct 27, 2023 00:12
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We had a black&white one. It also had rechargeable? batteries. We had our power knocked out for a week in a storm, on the first night we got to watch half an episode of the fresh prince before it died. Totally worth it.
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Woolie Wool posted:I have severe doubts that human beings will ever be able to create vat-grown meat. Yum! Brands already did. Google "Animal 57" 
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Big Mac posted:they made them long enough that CD players were put out at some point They have dvd players with widescreen displays! I have a 4:3 under cabinet fold down display in pretty good condition, but the backlight won't stay light. I think it's just a fluorescent bulb I need to replace. I fully intend to mount it.
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I can't wait for lab meat to be as normal as commercial yeast. Bring on the cheap tasty ethical nutritious cells!
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Yum! Brands already did. Google "Animal 57" Holy poo poo is that a kibology reference?
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Yum! Brands already did. Google "Animal 57" Is that anything like Passenger 57? Always bet on dark meat
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KakerMix posted:It's going to be like diamonds, lab grown are objectively superior in every way so then ~natural~ diamonds shifted their focus to the imperfections and somehow that makes them more ~real~. Meat will be the same thing. "You're actually taking money out of poor communities and putting diamonds miners out of a job when you buy lab grown. They have no other way of making money." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_WeCQofPk
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wait how is it they're in a situation where they have no other viable methods of supporting themselves or their families? 
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Wayne Knight posted:I fully intend to mount it.
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Blood diamonds were of course a marketing campagin by DeBeers trying to scare people off alternative diamond sources. The general public took away "oh so diamonds are sketchy huh, better educate myself, now who founded this DeBeers company..." One of the biggest marketing gently caress-ups in history.
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GreenNight posted:Betcha within a few decades people will be growing meat in their homes like they do with herbs.
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My Lovely Horse posted:already am, technically Congratulations.
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Wasn't there a phenomenon in movies where something big would be happening and it would cut to people in their kitchen watching the news on their under cabinet television?? I feel like this happened in lots of movies for some reason.
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My dad always had a radio in the kitchen, and sometimes installed ones that hung under the cabinets, but TV's weren't common. Nowadays we just throw a Google mini speaker in there and call it good enough.
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