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Ethics_Gradient: May 5, 2015; Common misconception that; that fun is relaxing. If it is, you're not doing it right.

I gotta say, I am getting really fed up with sellers wasting my time; telling me car is available, setting up a time to meet, then selling it before I get there (either by bike or public transport). I get that buyers flake all the time and you need to keep your options open, but being transparent about having other people interested would really help me make decisions like "should I bike 10 miles" or "should I take the dodgy bus and get pepper sprayed because someone picked a fight with the wrong person behind me"

:argh:

Anyways, what I'm coming here to post is - should I buy Shrek/the Breaking Bad car?

Seller's novel posted:

Shrek (that's her name), my 2001 Pontiac Aztek GT AWD 2+2 (rear Captains Chairs) in Citrus Green. A rare option pack, if not the rarest ever made. This is a 2 of 2 build, and I know the other 1 was totaled in Connecticut some years ago. It has HUD, heated front Captains Chairs, dual climate zones, Pioneer sound with 6 cd changer that works, rear subs with rear audio controls, air suspension with rear air inflator kit, rear cargo tray, cooler with tray, rear cargo cover, cargo nets

It will be cash sale only. No Venmo, no Zelle, no cashiers checks, no money orders. Sorry for the restrictions, way to many scammers out there. I'm not sure how to handle deposits for the same reason. You don't know me. I feel handling this as a cash transaction should solve those problems. This does also mean that if you show up with less than the agreed on price, you will be going home empty handed. I got burned by a Cashiers Check car sale a few years ago, and wont go down that road again. If you are uncomfortable with this, we can arrange to do the deal at a local police station, the airport, or what have you. I understand not wanting to carry that amount of cash around.

I am in no way stating this truck is perfect. It's 23 years old. It is going to need a few things.

My wife has loved this truck since the day I got it for her. She still doesn't want me to sell it, but it no longer makes sense for our family.

I am going to start off with the BAD. I want no surprises, if anything I list is going to push you away from my asking price, or the vehicle, you know it up front.

Nearly 6 years ago, my wife had a minor accident. She T-Boned a Ford Focus at low speed, in a Walmart parking lot (less than 10mph). No Air-Bag deployment (thankfully, she was pregnant at the time). I was able to drive the Aztek home from the accident scene. Totaled the Focus, and insurance totaled the Aztek too. I had a local body shop look at it, and try to explain to me why it was totaled. It was totaled because lack of NEW parts availability. It needed a bumper cover, the bumper reinforcements, a headlight, headlight header panel, and a corner light. I sourced the parts myself, and had the body shop install them. No paint work was done. The 2001 GT Specific bumper is no longer on the truck. It has a Silver bumper from a 2005 Aztek. I personally think it looks better. Everything still functions like it should. I saved the upper bumper cover (its green), and had the shop attach it to the lower section of the 2005 bumper during reassembly. It was state inspected for defects, and none were found.

3 years ago Shrek was hit by a hail storm while my wife was on her way home from the grocery store. She had the kids in the truck, and thought it was safer to drive home, vs finding a tree to hide under until it cleared. All top panels have hail dents in them, mainly the hood (which I tried to picture the best I could). I had the windshield replaced with a NON-HUD windshield, and had the glass shop modify it to add near HUD standard as possible. The HUD windshield was not available (COVID), and had to work with what was available. I had a PDR guy look at it, and he could get most of the dents out. At the time my wife was pregnant again, and we decided against that.

The interior headliner, and sunroof headliner needs replacement. I think the foam for the drivers seat bottom needs replacement (my wife disagrees with me). The leather itself is in good shape. To me, the foam has just lost its shape. The door sill plate at the drivers door is cracked/broken (pictured). The steering wheel buttons do have some fade to them. It currently has door mirrors on from its sister car, a Buick Rendezvous.

It has a extremely minor leak, it leaves a mark on the driveway, but we are not sure if its oil, tranny, coolant, or power steering. Nothing ever goes low on fluid levels.

Now to the good.

After the accident damage was fixed above, I had the gas tank and fuel pump replaced by the dealer under recall/warranty 6 years ago. While it was at the dealer, we had them replace the rack and pinion, front tie rods, the rear tie rods, front passenger side control arm, front struts, Main lower engine mount, and install a low mileage (used) rear diff. They also did an alignment

2 years ago, at 129k miles, the transmission was rebuilt, and the steering intermediate shaft was replaced. I also had the rear brake pads, rotors, and parking brake shoes, replaced.

Last year, the spark plugs, wires, O2 sensors, and the tires were replaced. 3 of the tires have less than 3000 miles on them, the other, I had a flat 2 weeks ago, and was replaced under warranty with Discount tire. It has about 200 miles on it. The tread depth is within 1/32 of each other, and will not affect the AWD system. They are Corsa Highway Terrain Tires with a 40k warranty. With the mileage my wife drives, getting a higher mileage tread warranty did not seem logical. There are a few missing lug nut caps, and a few that are mismatched, thanks again to Discount Tire.

This year I have had to replace the fuel filter, and 3 of the 4 wheel bearings. The picture of the odometer taken today is while the engine is running, and as you can see, no lights are on. It had a check engine light on 2 weeks ago, and I replaced the coil that was bad. During my test drive to verify the repair is when the tire went flat mentioned above.

I bought the car from its original owner in 2007 with 55k miles. She lived in Alpharetta, GA, and was moving to New York, and no longer needed a car. The original owner indicated to me that the motor was replaced under warranty when it had 30k miles on it at the dealer, from a blown head gasket. I have no proof of this. She also had a ASC (American Sunroof Corp) sunroof installed at the dealer when she bought it new. She wanted OnStar and a sunroof, and this is the only way it could be done.

My wife has used this car as her daily driver since we have owned it. She does not drive much, as the mileage indicates. She also used it to transport our kids around for the past 6 years. The kids or she was not kind to the rear passenger door, and the paint is chipped on the high ridges. My wife has put on 78k miles in the time we have owned it, 16 years. It now has 134k miles. Mileage may go up, but as its our spare car, not by much.

I am asking $2500 on the truck. I already have an offer from the dealer for 2459 (2300 on trade, and 159 tax savings), so an offer below this will likely NOT be entertained. I will also be including the 1 hikers pouch, tent kit (unused) assuming I can find it in my garage. Also will include any other spare parts I have (tail lights, coil pack, etc). 2 keys and 2 key FOB's. The original owners manual, and it's related paperwork is in the glove box. I think I may even have the original window sticker, but am not sure. A/C and heat work wonderfully!

A casual google indicates the Aztek is actually reasonably reliable (?), and this one looks to have a fairly conscientious owner + low miles. Despite being written off (?) by the low speed collision, seller says title is clean. The roughly $2k difference between this and a Gen 2 Prius would buy me a lot of fuel, AWD would be nice to have in the snow/mountains, and I low-key dig the hideous styling.

Ethics_Gradient fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Oct 26, 2023

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# ? May 9, 2024 19:39

jokes: Dec 20, 2012; Uh... Kupo?

I love the write-up except for the last bit. If he has an offer for $2459 why is he seeking $2500?

# ? Oct 26, 2023 17:45

deong: Jun 13, 2001; I'll see you in heck!

jokes posted:

I love the write-up except for the last bit. If he has an offer for $2459 why is he seeking $2500?

Reverse price is right rules... ?

# ? Oct 26, 2023 17:47

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

drat i did not know that the Aztek had a HUD

it's a good write up, probably a sound car. but yeah like son why have you not just dumped this to the dealer rather than putting in well more than $40 of effort

# ? Oct 26, 2023 17:49

Artemis J Brassnuts: Jan 2, 2009; I regret😢 to inform📢 I am the most sexually🍆 vanilla 🍦straight 📏 dude😰 on the planet🌎

Doesn�t the insurance write off mean it�s a salvage title now?

# ? Oct 26, 2023 17:52

TheBacon: Feb 8, 2012; #essereFerrari

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

drat i did not know that the Aztek had a HUD

it's a good write up, probably a sound car. but yeah like son why have you not just dumped this to the dealer rather than putting in well more than $40 of effort

The only thing I could think of is wanting someone that might care about and drive or keep the car but it also doesn�t include a lot of that language I normally associate with emotional sellers.

# ? Oct 26, 2023 17:57

ethanol: Jul 13, 2007

so much work done to that car is a bad sign, and it's still in quoted bad shape, and that person has stockholm syndrome, maybe other will disagree

# ? Oct 26, 2023 19:06

Motronic: Nov 6, 2009

ethanol posted:

so much work done to that car is a bad sign, and that person has stockholm syndrome, maybe other will disagree

I mean, it sounds like any other GM vehicle of its age as far as amount of work done. I'm not sure how much I'd want to deal with a seller like that though. Sounds like a real special flavor.

# ? Oct 26, 2023 19:09

ethanol: Jul 13, 2007

exactly it sounds like a gm vehicle. especially a early 2000s gm. id stick with prius

# ? Oct 26, 2023 19:10

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

ethanol posted:

exactly it sounds like a gm vehicle. especially a early 2000s gm. id stick with prius

youre not buying a prius for 2500 dollars

# ? Oct 26, 2023 19:11

Gangringo: Jul 22, 2007; In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one sat.

He chose the path of perpetual contentment.

I'm a sucker for second row captains' chairs. I don't know that I've used the middle seat in the past decade if not more.

If I didn't already have too many vehicles I would absolutely daily that sex machine. Nobody should listen to my advice though, it is terrible.

# ? Oct 26, 2023 21:02

Nitrox: Jul 5, 2002

Lots of green flags in that post.

They are good cars that are not particularly expensive to maintain. The reconstructed title sounds about right, a bumper and support will absolutely total a sub-$4,000 vehicle. It takes $30 and a 30 minute inspection to get it recertified and on the road again. I wouldn't worry about that, not at this price point at least. You can put your bicycle in the back and drive it home. It would be nice to have a mechanically inclined associate to look at it at the point of sale to confirm that parts have been replaced and nothing is about to fall off.

Good luck

Nitrox fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Oct 26, 2023

# ? Oct 26, 2023 22:27

Dr. Lunchables: Dec 27, 2012; IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD

Looking for recommendations to fit the following

Proposed Budget:

New or Used:

Body Style:

How will you be using the car?:

What aspects are most important to you?

MY ONE MUST HAVE:

Dont recommend me:

I�m not going hardcore about drive types, but AWD if possible is high in the secondary aspects, with RWD and FWD respectively coming in that preferred order.

I�ve mostly been looking at Volvo C30s because they are in the price bracket with under 100k miles, look cool/goofy as hell, and are essentially a mildly hot hatch. Other options are the shared platform V50 in AWD, but those are much rarer.

It�s gonna have to hold up well to Michigan winters, but that�s really gonna be down to washing the salt off and running winter tires. The winters are why my must have is heated seats.

So let�s see what you got, thread.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 13:51

Nitrox: Jul 5, 2002

It won't be fun to drive, but ct200h is a Prius with better amenities and is in your budget.

Also keep in mind that you can get a heated seat and steering wheel cover online for under 100 bucks total. Perhaps it shouldn't be a deal breaker

# ? Oct 27, 2023 14:02

trevorreznik: Apr 22, 2023

Selling vehicle question:

I'm going to inherit a four door 2019 Ford ranger fx4 with my sister in a few months. While I like the truck, I live in Chicagoland, work from home and our household puts about 5000 miles a year on our two old beater vehicles.

While I wouldn't mind upgrading the 99 Camry I drive a few miles a week (which has bad rear struts), it doesn't make much sense to keep the truck (and buy out my sister). The only feature I really want in a new vehicle is auto cruise control, which it doesn't have.

That being said, will it be better to sell it where it currently is (central Illinois) or bring it up to Chicagoland and sell there? The demand for trucks is higher down there, but far fewer people.

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 27, 2023

# ? Oct 27, 2023 14:13

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Mk 6 GTI is definitely in your price range. Maybe an early Mk 7. I'm not sure I'd consider the car fully reliable but it's not going to be worse than a C30. Only issue would really be regarding AWD.

A Mazda3 hatch is comfortable, handles well, is reliable, and is fun to drive. Not AWD, not fast. Civic Hatch also in this category, though I think the Mazda3 is generally better.

AWD is going to be a challenge in your price range without going Subaru or bad to drive. The only thing I can think of is the Suzuki SX4, which isn't ideal.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Oct 27, 2023

# ? Oct 27, 2023 14:21

Gucci Loafers: May 20, 2006; Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?

I lost my job earlier this year but decided to take that opportunity to travel over the summer. Now that the holidays are up it's time for me to find a job but the thing is I don't know where that job will be other than it's probably a city like LA, Vegas or maybe Miami. I'll need a car but the thing is I'm legally based out of my relatives place in Minnesota.

Is it realistic to get anything at this point? I'm thinking I'm still probably better off just renting something considering that prices are so high and I'll probably have to re-register it in a different State.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 14:39

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Are you asking if it's a good idea to buy a car that you don't currently need in advance of needing a car in the future?

The answer to that question is always no, unless someone is giving you a screaming family and friends deal.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 14:49

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

The screaming family and friends deal better be they will hold on to it till you have an address in the destination state because there are too many weird things going on interstate with when you owe sales or road use/registration tax.

Paying road use tax twice is ruinous for most budgets if not just a completely redundant and avoidable cost.

Do not buy cars before an interstate move unless an accountant says good idea, great job, you found the loophole.

Not bitter about paying brand new car road use tax on a new car ten years ago when I moved 6 months after purchase. Not bitter at all.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 15:14

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

I'm not sure the $25/thousand (against an aggressive depreciation table) excise tax could be potentially described as ruinous in my particular state but I agree, it's better not to incur potentially duplicate one time costs, and it's also better to not pay ongoing costs like depreciation and insurance if you don't have to.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 15:19

Guinness: Sep 15, 2004

Also if you�re buying used the southwest market will have way more rust free cars than Minnesota. Or worse, a Florida flood car.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 15:29

Inner Light: Jan 2, 2020

trevorreznik posted:

Selling vehicle question:

I'm going to inherit a four door 2019 Ford ranger fx4 with my sister in a few months. While I like the truck, I live in Chicagoland, work from home and our household puts about 5000 miles a year on our two old beater vehicles.

While I wouldn't mind upgrading the 99 Camry I drive a few miles a week (which has bad rear struts), it doesn't make much sense to keep the truck (and buy out my sister). The only feature I really want in a new vehicle is auto cruise control, which it doesn't have.

That being said, will it be better to sell it where it currently is (central Illinois) or bring it up to Chicagoland and sell there? The demand for trucks is higher down there, but far fewer people.

The pricing you can command as a seller does not differ very much regionally, large differences in demand aside. The truck will be worth a similar price in Chicago to central IL, such a small difference that it likely wouldn�t be worth the time to capture that.

# ? Oct 27, 2023 15:53

Ethics_Gradient: May 5, 2015; Common misconception that; that fun is relaxing. If it is, you're not doing it right.

Unfortunately, Shrek sold that evening. Is really sucking not having a vehicle myself so I can move quickly; a good deal on an '08 AWD Sienna with low miles came up this morning (would have stretched my budget, but worth it IMO) and it was gone within hours.

It's kinda bananas how much the bottom has risen on the used car market in the US; my old Yaris in Australia would be worth like double here.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 00:09

Beef Eater: Aug 27, 2020

I'm looking for a car. My goal is to spend as little as possible over the next 5 years, including gas, maintenance and the price of the car itself. I drive an average of 10 miles a day. Any recommendations?

# ? Oct 28, 2023 00:40

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Beef Eater posted:

I'm looking for a car. My goal is to spend as little as possible over the next 5 years, including gas, maintenance and the price of the car itself. I drive an average of 10 miles a day. Any recommendations?

Congratulations, Prius Owner

# ? Oct 28, 2023 00:43

Motronic: Nov 6, 2009

The newest used Prius you can afford.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 00:43

Deteriorata: Feb 6, 2005

Beef Eater posted:

I'm looking for a car. My goal is to spend as little as possible over the next 5 years, including gas, maintenance and the price of the car itself. I drive an average of 10 miles a day. Any recommendations?

At 3600 miles per year, it almost doesn't matter what you buy. The differences in costs of gas and maintenance are going to be negligible.

Lower maintenance will mean a higher purchase price. Buy a Chevy for $2000 or a Prius for $5000, in five years the net cost will be about the same.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 03:27

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

I�m assuming the OP will dispose of the car in the end and the Prius retains value like crazy.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 03:46

Ethics_Gradient: May 5, 2015; Common misconception that; that fun is relaxing. If it is, you're not doing it right.

To add to Priuschat, the 2010 and 2011 model year have some known issues (still overall quite reliable, but less reliable than other Priuses) so is best to avoid.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 14:34

smackfu: Jun 7, 2004

Thanks for all the feedback on the Jeep Wrangler. I figured on it being bad at highway speeds and not really worth it if you weren�t off-roading but didn�t know about the terrible reliability.

# ? Oct 28, 2023 14:54

Ethics_Gradient: May 5, 2015; Common misconception that; that fun is relaxing. If it is, you're not doing it right.

Almost bought an 08 Prius with an ugly paint touch up and 170k miles for $4k this afternoon, but:

1) no emissions slip, just a bunch of documentation in the glove box from numerous failed emissions tests in 2021, including commentary on a non-compliant aftermarket cat, disabled OBDII reader, and receipt for an O2 sensor. Car had no plates, so...?
2) bit of the 'ol milkshake on the oil cap.

Sellers :argh:

(already marked as sold, pity the fool that bought it)

smackfu posted:

Thanks for all the feedback on the Jeep Wrangler. I figured on it being bad at highway speeds and not really worth it if you weren�t off-roading but didn�t know about the terrible reliability.

You might look into a Suzuki Samurai, I think there was a soft top? Probably a lot more reliable than a Jeep, but the lack of highway manners will also hold true.

Ethics_Gradient fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 29, 2023

# ? Oct 28, 2023 23:27

IOwnCalculus: Apr 2, 2003

Ethics_Gradient posted:

You might look into a Suzuki Samurai, I think there was a soft top? Probably a lot more reliable than a Jeep, but the lack of highway manners will also hold true.

OP is shopping new Wranglers, the last Samurai was sold in the US nearly 30 years ago. Mopar's bad, but it's not 30 year old Samurai bad.

# ? Oct 29, 2023 03:07

Dr. Lunchables: Dec 27, 2012; IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD

They could always illegally import a Mexican Jimny

# ? Oct 29, 2023 21:17

buglord: Jul 31, 2010; Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!; Buglord

So I told the Car Guys at work that I�m in the market for a car, and boy did they have opinions. With an out-the-door budget of 11k-15k, my options seem pretty bad with the post-covid car market. This has been like, a whole month of discussion (they can talk about it longer im sure)

Driving habits: Los Angeles, so vast majority of my driving time is in stop-and go traffic. Each month I put about 550 miles onto the odometer.

What im looking for: cheap to drive, operate (hello Prius owner!), has to look less dire than the interior/exterior of my 2002 corolla. I would like something that at least feels nice to sit in/be a passenger in. I test drove a 2017 Mazda3 hatchback last week, and while the car was pretty get-up-and-go, it oddly didn�t feel all that different to my corolla, which already felt oddly fun to drive? Hatchbacks are a plus. Faux-leather seating is a plus. Sound isolation is a bigger plus.

What im not looking for: expensive repairs, long bois, bad fuel economy (one of the car guys was hellbent on getting a LS 430 from 2006 - which admittedly looks amazing inside, but it breaks the two things I don�t want to deal with).

Options the guys at work brought up: Mazda3 hatchback, Lexus CT 200H, Acura ILX (which apparently is just a Civic in nicer clothing, looks cool though!), corolla hatchbacks of various names since Toyota went through a lot of different naming schemes.

What I was previously going to get, no questions asked, but was talked out of by a half dozen people at this point: a used Prius or hybrid of some sort. The driving experience (which is apparently �mid�) isn�t what bothered them, it was the looming expense of replacing the battery when it goes out. I keep hearing they�re several thousand, and then im also playing a �hybrid tax� over a non hybrid car since Priuses are in high demand. So that has me thinking, could I get a much nicer non prius for 13k, and just deal with the fuel costs since I put just under 7000 miles on my car each year? I feel like in this line of thinking, I have a long time until I break even with the Prius.

Sorry for the anti Prius chat, I don�t know what to believe now :ohdear:

# ? Nov 2, 2023 05:51

IOwnCalculus: Apr 2, 2003

I don't get why they'd be happy with a CT200h and not a Prius because the CT200h literally uses a Prius drivetrain and battery (and if it's in your price range, and the comfort is worth it, it's a good buy). Also, they haven't actually looked into what a HV battery repair/replacement costs because it's neither difficult nor (too) expensive. Being in the LA area I'm sure you have half a dozen different people on Craigslist offering to come swap the HV battery in your driveway for you for a bit more than what a set of tires will cost you at some point. Or you can watch a youtube video on how to swap the whole HV pack yourself, or you could watch a few more youtube videos on how to test the individual cells and just replace the defective ones... and then remember that this is still a low-probability repair and most people who own Priuses never need to do it. Also remember that Priuses need much less maintenance in general by being a hybrid - the transmission is nearly bulletproof even if it's never had the oil changed, brakes last longer because of regen, etc. There's always some Prius Tax but unless we suddenly return to $0.99/gal gas, you'll also make it up on the backend in resale value.

With that said, they are right that the driving experience of a Prius is meh at best, and you are possibly right that at 7000 miles a year a Prius might not inherently make more sense if you can find an otherwise-nicer gas-only car for the same money. Test drive one. You might find it to be perfectly cromulent, or so misery-inducing you never want to touch one again; either way it helps narrow your choices down a lot.

# ? Nov 2, 2023 07:07

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

These are the car guyyiest guys imaginable if they talk about the hybrid tax and battery replacement costs then start telling you to look at Lexus and Acura. Broken clock is right twice a day. They are being dumb about battery replacements. But they are right that for your stated goals you can test drive and get a mechanic to inspect every used hatchback in your budget and get the one that is both one you enjoy being inside and checks out clean by the mechanic. It might be a Prius just by probability that every other car out there is a Prius.

# ? Nov 2, 2023 12:31

ScooterMcTiny: Apr 7, 2004

The only other thing I�ll add to the two posters above is depending on if your LA traffic is stop and go street driving vs freeway driving - if it�s freeway I�d probably focus on making sure you can get a car with adaptive cruise control. ACC on the highway in LA is the biggest quality of life improvement you can make imo.

# ? Nov 2, 2023 13:55

Explosionface: May 30, 2011; We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
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ScooterMcTiny posted:

The only other thing I�ll add to the two posters above is depending on if your LA traffic is stop and go street driving vs freeway driving - if it�s freeway I�d probably focus on making sure you can get a car with adaptive cruise control. ACC on the highway in LA is the biggest quality of life improvement you can make imo.

The first time I ever drove with ACC was in a rental on the 101 between LA and Santa Barbara and it was life-changing. Definitely don't sleep on this advice if the freeways are common for your commute.

# ? Nov 2, 2023 14:32

incogneato: Jun 4, 2007; Zoom! Swish! Bang!

I'll also throw in a vote for the quality of life value of ACC.

Note that earlier versions for some makes/models do not do full stop and go traffic. For example ours turns off at 26 mph or lower. It's still useful, but full stop and go ACC would be much nicer.

# ? Nov 3, 2023 00:41

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# ? May 9, 2024 19:39

kefkafloyd: Jun 8, 2006; What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Some cars gate �traffic jam assist� for low-speed cruise control behind another feature even though it�s all software. Mazda definitely does this.

# ? Nov 3, 2023 02:58

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