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The fact that our year is X length of time and our day is Y and etc is not any more scientific than just going "yeah a minute is sixty seconds which is about (beat) that long". They are objective measures, but of arbitrary things, and indeed even on earth the lengths of such things have been, and will be, different. E; I would put 232 scientific seconds in a scientific hour.
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Swatch Internet Time still uses the French Revolutionary decimal time system.
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Oct 30, 2023 10:32
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No no no! A day is a full rotation and a year is a complete orbit! Those aren't subjective even if we use a made up unit, the second, as the base unit for the overall values. Like I said you can use Planck units to give it a purely scientific value but the second being a societal construct doesn't make it useless! It gives us something we can intuitively understand!
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Oct 30, 2023 10:38
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bessantj posted:I have been told that Welsh days of the week stick close to the Roman gods. Welsh hung on to a fair bit of Latin, maybe because of wanting nothing to do with those bloody immigrant Anglo-Saxons. The one that always sticks in my mind is eglwys = church, from ecclesia.
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Oct 30, 2023 11:13
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Tesseraction posted:No no no! A day is a full rotation and a year is a complete orbit! Those aren't subjective even if we use a made up unit, the second, as the base unit for the overall values. Like I said you can use Planck units to give it a purely scientific value but the second being a societal construct doesn't make it useless! It gives us something we can intuitively understand!
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Oct 30, 2023 11:17
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If the earth is spinning, why aren't we dizzy? CHECKMATE SCIENCE
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TACD posted:Are those synodic or sidereal days and years? Yes.
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Diet Crack posted:If the earth is spinning, why aren't we dizzy? CHECKMATE SCIENCE If the earth stopped spinning we would all realise how dizzy we are throughout our entire lives and suddenly become much more intelligent and cogent right before we all got flung off into space at 1000mph
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Oct 30, 2023 11:26
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bessantj posted:
Part of the extended Arthur cinematic universe is that his great grandad (Macsen Wledig/Magnus Maximus) went off to become. Emperor of Rome. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/IVdlprlPNZ
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Good article by one of the only good columnists left at the graun, Nesrine Malik https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/30/keir-starmer-labour-israel-gaza Labour losing voters over Gaza matters – whether it hurts electorally or not Keir Starmer’s response has exposed a party out of touch with, and even contemptuous of, its grassroots Some pieces: quote:Cathy had voted Labour all her life. Then she heard an LBC interview with Keir Starmer. In it, he was asked if it was “appropriate” that Israel should besiege Gaza, cutting off power and water. “I think Israel does have that right,” Starmer replied. Cathy immediately resigned from the party, which she joined three years ago when Starmer was elected leader. “This has been the last straw,” she tells me. Previous straws, she says, include a raft of policies that Labour had watered down, and Tory policies that Labour would not repeal. But Labour’s position on the siege of Gaza has killed off the little faith she had left. quote:The consistency in the position of several Labour voters I spoke to over the past few days is striking. The main assertion: they will not be voting for this Labour party. The reason: the party crossed a line by effectively endorsing Israel’s killing and besieging of civilians. The language of a final reckoning came up a lot: “a red line”, “a line in the sand”, “the straw that broke the camel’s back”, a “mask has slipped”. And the anger is by no means sectarian. “It’s easier to frame it as a Muslim issue,” says Calum, a member who has left the party. “It’s not a Muslim issue. It’s a human one.” quote:One senior Labour party member described the resignation of Labour councillors in response to the party’s position on Gaza as “shaking off the fleas”. This approach has broadly characterised Labour’s approach to the dissenting views it has attributed en masse to a cranky left, but it seems increasingly risky when a high-octane political event galvanises people across a demographic profile that is too large to be so easily dismissed. Sulekha, another voter lost to Labour in the past two weeks, tells me of an atmosphere in her local area in Hackney where people are identifying with the Palestine issue through “different intersections” as it draws in “greens, feminists and a broader liberal coalition”. Meanwhile, polling reveals a political establishment dramatically at odds with the country as a whole, in which 76% are in support of a ceasefire. That’s a lot of fleas. quote:Hold people to ransom as they witness a vast injustice perpetrated and they might just exercise what they see as their only means of authentic political expression. “It’s quite rare for me to feel this much anger towards politicians,” Frank, another party supporter who will now not vote Labour, told me when I asked him if he has thought about how his abstention might help the Tories, “so I’m going to heed that.” It is a damning indictment of the Labour party that this response will probably be viewed not as a moral right, but as a luxury.
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Diet Crack posted:If the earth is spinning, why aren't we dizzy? CHECKMATE SCIENCE Spain has largely used GMT+1 since the time of Franco despite almost entirely sitting to the west of the Prime Meridian. We have to start asking the hard questions - are those fiendish Spaniards building some kind of time bomb with all of their stolen hours? Why are we letting them get away with this 80-year time heist?
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grobbo posted:Spain has largely used GMT+1 since the time of Franco despite almost entirely sitting to the west of the Prime Meridian. We have to start asking the hard questions - are those fiendish Spaniards building some kind of time bomb with all of their stolen hours? Why are we letting them get away with this 80-year time heist? It's a genius way to timefund their siestas, you have to admit.
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Runcible Cat posted:Welsh hung on to a fair bit of Latin, maybe because of wanting nothing to do with those bloody immigrant Anglo-Saxons. The one that always sticks in my mind is eglwys = church, from ecclesia. Gaelic did too, although not all days were kept for gods. Wednesday and Friday - Diciadain and Dihaoine - refer to fasting via "aoine" meaning fast. domhal fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Oct 30, 2023 |
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Haven't the French got the original second in a box in an underground bunker somewhere in Paris?
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It's not too surprising that Christian terms should have Latin roots, I guess
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Should be using Aramaic roots imo.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Haven't the French got the original second in a box in an underground bunker somewhere in Paris? I think you are thinking of the yard, which is the metric unit of imperialism.
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No they have the international standard milkshake, which is how they got all the boys to the yard in the first place.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Haven't the French got the original second in a box in an underground bunker somewhere in Paris? You would think that the original second would be called the first
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the second is waiting for it's secondment
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SixFigureSandwich posted:You would think that the original second would be called the first That's the minute. (No, seriously. The minute is so called because it's a small part of an hour. The second was originally "second minute", a second order reduction dividing a minute into the same number of parts as a minute divides an hour.)
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Jedit posted:That's the minute. And a trice should be 1/60th of a second but isn't.
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Time is just a construct, live in the moment like the beasts.
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Ah, you're saying the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born? I don't like what that implies for geopoli-- *checks notes* ah gently caress
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Now is the time of hamsters.
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Guavanaut posted:Now is the time of hamsters. No it isn't. Hamsters are crepuscular, they're active at dawn and dusk.
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Timekeeping is a tool of the bosses and I absolutely refuse to know what time it is. If you wear a watch you are a scab.
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Tesseraction posted:No no no! A day is a full rotation and a year is a complete orbit! Those aren't subjective even if we use a made up unit, the second, as the base unit for the overall values. Like I said you can use Planck units to give it a purely scientific value but the second being a societal construct doesn't make it useless! It gives us something we can intuitively understand! They're intuitively comprehensible, and they are not societally constructed, but objective observations. But they are objective measures of subjective periods! If Earth was 5m km closer or more distant from the Sun, or rotated at a different speed, our years or days would be different lengths! Just as other planets in the system already have. There's no universal constant that demands a day be the length of time it is on Earth!!
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big scary monsters posted:Timekeeping is a tool of the bosses and I absolutely refuse to know what time it is. If you wear a watch you are a scab.
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Plautus posted:The gods confound the man who first found out
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Tesseraction posted:Ah, you're saying the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born? I don't like what that implies for geopoli-- *checks notes* ah gently caress "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
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radmonger posted:Part of the extended Arthur cinematic universe is that his great grandad (Macsen Wledig/Magnus Maximus) went off to become. Emperor of Rome. The aardvark?
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Plautus posted:The gods confound the man who first found out You know what, Plautus? You're absolutely right. I know I just had lunch but now I'm going to have a snack, gods drat it.
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why in the name of holy hell is chandler off friends dying such a big news story? 
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Ms Adequate posted:They're intuitively comprehensible, and they are not societally constructed, but objective observations. But they are objective measures of subjective periods! If Earth was 5m km closer or more distant from the Sun, or rotated at a different speed, our years or days would be different lengths! Just as other planets in the system already have. There's no universal constant that demands a day be the length of time it is on Earth!! Because we live here! We have created a time system that attempts to subdivide the repetition of the solar cycle and the seasons as it allows us to have common reference points! Obviously in other places we would use local references!
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crispix posted:why in the name of holy hell is chandler off friends dying such a big news story? Because it turns out that more than his love life was DOA.
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Makes more sense than when the guy who played the guy who worked in the coffee shop died was a fairly big news story.
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"Time is entirely subjective and the calendar has no real meaning" is the kind of thinking that leads you to agricultural reform that would make lysenko blush.
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i saw a bit of an episode of F.R.I.E.N.D.S on the television in my bedroom in 1995 when i was still at primary school, and i remember thinking "these people are STUPID  " and changing channel, and my feelings about that sitcom did not change
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crispix posted:why in the name of holy hell is chandler off friends dying such a big news story? i feel like it received about as much attention as any other "famous person died" story - but he was only 54 so it's quite sad. this was from an interview he did last year 
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