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Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

Some Guy TT posted:

Harris also argued that Biden was "very much alive"

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:08

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mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

libs, stop using my identity to excuse your hypocrisy

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:08

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019; Can't post for 19 hours!

is pepsi ok posted:

saying you have to vote for biden to save trans people when he is currently in power right loving now and is doing fuckall to stop the demonization of trans people and in fact has engaged in it himself is so goddamn infuriating.

the loving gall of these shitheads.

he's doing stuff
Remarks by President Biden and First Lady Jill Biden at the 2023 Human Rights Campaign National Dinner | The White House

www.whitehouse.gov posted:

Washington Convention Center Washington, D.C.

(October 14, 2023)

6:36 P.M. EDT

THE FIRST LADY: Hello! Hi, everybody. Hi. (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Please. (Laughs.) (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Please. (Laughs.) Please. Thank you. (Applause.) Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.

AUDIENCE: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years! THE FIRST LADY: Thank you. Thanks.

AUDIENCE: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

THE FIRST LADY: Really, thank you. Please.

Well, I can certainly say we feel the love from you. Thank you. (Applause.) And thank you, Kelley, for that introduction. You are a trailblazer, and HRC is so lucky to have you. (Applause.)

So, how is everyone tonight? (Applause.) Look at you. Such beauty and boldness. I�m so proud that this community has made D.C. such a thriving, welcoming home to LGBTQ+ people. (Applause.)

It�s a remarkable departure from where we had been, when D.C. was a place where outing was used as a political weapon. Tonight, we can celebrate without fear or shame. (Applause.)

But despite the freedom and acceptance we have fought for in places like D.C., we know that in too many other parts of our country, these rights and freedoms are under attack.

Across the country, in places like Texas and Florida and Alabama, LGBTQ individuals don�t have the freedom to be honest with their family or embrace their gender identity at work. They don�t have the freedom to walk down the halls of their school as their authentic self. They don�t have the freedom to hold hands with their partner on the sidewalk.

So, while we celebrate this beautiful community tonight, let�s also remember how lucky we are and harden our resolve to advocate for those who are not. (Applause.)

We look forward to a time when all people in all places can feel the freedom and the joy that we feel here tonight. But until then, we fight. (Applause.) We fight for the trans individuals who are being bullied and killed. We fight for the LGBTQ kids who are forced into conversion therapy. We fight for the communities around the world where being gay is punishable by death.

Joe and I stand firmly and proudly with you in these fights, and we will be with you every step of the way. (Applause.)

There�s nobody that I�d rather have in my corner than my husband, Joe Biden. (Applause.) Joe has always been a fierce advocate for � for this community, and I am so proud of all the work that he has done for LGBTQ+ individuals here in the U.S. and around the globe.

And I am so honored to introduce him tonight. So, please welcome the President of the United States, Joe Biden. (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Hello, hello, hello! (Applause.) My name is Joe Biden. I�m Jill�s husband. (Laughter and applause.)

Folks, let me begin with a sincere thank you. Please have a seat.

AUDIENCE: We love you, Joe! (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you.

I hope you understand that you are the beacon of light around the world, not a joke. Whether I was in India or wherever I am, the LBGQ community comes up to me and says, �Can you help?� Not a joke. Not a joke. �Can you help?� You�re giving people so much hope.

It�s all about hope. Think about it. How do you live without hope? And this community in the United States of America is leading the world in giving people hope.

Folks, my first thing I want to say tonight: Thank you. Thank you for changing lives around the world. You�re doing it. You really are. (Applause.)

And for some of you who are closer to my age, it wasn�t easy to do. (Laughter.) No, I�m not joking. You�d lose your job. You�d get beat up. You got � a whole different circumstance.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you being here with us!

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I tell you what, I�ve been here every time you�ve invited me, because � careful, I�m like a poor relative. I show up when I�m invited. (Laughter and applause.)

Look, Kelley Robinson, thank you. Thank you for the introduction and for your leadership. (Applause.)

And congratulations to tonight�s awardees. Shonda Rhimes, an unstoppable creative force. Lena Waithe, I tell you what � a pathbreaking storyteller. And Matt Bomer, an actor who inspires. And you do inspire, Matt. (Applause.)

And Grayson, Libby, Hobbes, and Daniel � courageous young activists who lift our hopes up for the future. Earlier this year, they were kind enough � kind enough to invite Jill and me to the Trans Youth Prom. We couldn�t make it, but it sounds like you had a hell of a lot of fun. (Applause.)

But, you know, these young honorees joined us in June for the largest Pride Month celebration ever, ever held at the White House. And there�s going to be more � at the White House. (Applause.)

LGBTQ youth are among the bravest people I know, and you four are no exception.

Folks, this is the fourth time I�ve joined this dinner, coming back to my days as vice president. (Applause.) At this pivotal moment in our history, Jill and I have come here tonight to say thank you for your courage, thank you for your hope, and thank you for your pride. Thank you for defending equal rights and dignity of all people, despite intense opposition and hate-fueled rhetoric, even violence, to try to keep you from moving.

You inspire us. And I want you all � the LGBTQ Americans � to know the Biden-Harris administration has your back �

AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: I don�t know who�s hollering back there, but I can�t hear you. (Laughter.)

But, look �

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Let Gaza live! Ceasefire now! Let Gaza live! Ceasefire now! (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT: I can�t hear her. What�s she saying? Well, thank you. Whatever you�re saying. I�m going to say thank � I can�t hear you. (Laughter and applause.)

Look, I�ve been labelled the most � (applause).

AUDIENCE: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I get it. Okay. (Laughs.) I�m not sure that�s a good thing. No, I�m only joking. (Laughter.)

Look, I�ve labelled the most pro-equality President in history. I�m not sure if that�s true, but I tell you what: I�m grateful to lead an administration with more out and proud staff members at every level than every previous administration combined. (Applause.) All combined.

Together with all of you, my administration is defending and advancing the equal human rights of the LGBTQ community all across the country � and I mean it � and around the world.

I�m proud of our record. I signed the historic executive orders strengthening civil rights protections in housing, employment, healthcare, education, the justice system.

As Commander-in-Chief, I ended the ban on transgender Americans serving in the military. (Applause.) As I pointed out, they can shoot as straight as anybody else I know.

And on the anniversary of the repeal of �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell,� the Department of Defense announced a review of the records of LGBTQ servicemembers who had been discharged for �less than honorable service.� (Applause.) That�s will make it easier for these veterans to finally access the benefits they earned through their service.

We launched an ambitious plan to end HIV � the epidemic � by 2030. (Applause.) Proposed new national PrEP program to prevent the spread of HIV. And we finally did away with the outdated policy banning gay and bisexuals from donating blood. (Applause.)

We�re leading with science, not stigma. (Applause.)

We�ve made human rights for LGBT around the world a top priority in our foreign policy: increasing our assistance to brave activists on the ground; defending human rights in countries to pass anti-gay laws � that passed anti-gay laws, like Uganda � going after Uganda, making clear that they cannot get the same benefit as other countries � (applause); and achieving tangible progress in �

Look, folks, here the deal: Together, we�re standing up for families. Some of you were with us on the South Lawn last December when I signed the Respect For Marriage Act. (Applause.) A law protecting the marriage of gay and interracial couples.

As I said in a TV interview more than a decade ago, marriage is a simple proposition. Who do you love? And will you be loyal to the person you love? (Applause.)

I was raised that that was quite a simple proposition. I�ve told this story before, but I�ll tell it again. I was � I was raised by a man who was a really decent, honorable man. I remember he was dropping me off. I wanted to be a � I wanted to work in the projects as a lifeguard on the east side of Wilmington. And he was dropping me off on his way to work at the City Hall to go get an application to be a lifeguard there.

And as I got out of the car at the four corners at the center of town, two men � it turns out, one going to the Brandywine � one worked for the Dupont Company; the other worked for Hercules Company. This was back when I was a kid. And they leaned up and kissed one another. And I�d never seen that before.

I turned and looked at my dad. And he just looked at me and said, �Joey, it�s simple. It�s simple, Joey. They love one another. It�s a simple proposition.� (Applause.) I mean it.

To everyone who helped make the Respect For Marriage Act a reality: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. (Applause.)

And together, we�re standing up for children. As you know better than anyone, there are young people all across America sitting in their bedrooms at night scrolling through social media and staring at the ceiling wondering will they ever be loved, what happens if they tell their parents, what�s going to go on. You�ve been through � many of you have been through it. Will they be ever accepted by their families, ever be free to be themselves, or if they should even be there or here on Earth.

Nearly every day, I get letters, literally, from children and parents terrified by what they�re � what�s happening all across America.

A 13-year-old transgender child wrote to me and said, �I hate looking at the news, not because I�m a teenager and it�s boring, but because it�s painful. I hear adults much older than me debate about my existence when they don�t even know me.�

Our message to young people across America must be unequivocal: You�re loved, you�re heard, and you�re understood and you belong. (Applause.) I mean it. And we see who you are, made in the image of God, deserving dignity, respect, and support.

That�s why my administration is combatting the dangerous, cruel practice of conversion therapy that�s been so outspoken. (Applause.) That�s why we launched a nationwide crisis hotline where HB- � LGBTQ youth who are feeling isolated or overwhelmed can get help. They just have to call 988 and talk to a counselor � 988. Talk to a counselor.

And this year, we�re committing to even more resources. New federal action to address LGBTQ youth homelessness. New steps to protect kids in foster care. All of it matters.

But for all the progress we�ve made, we know the barriers, the bias, the bigotry still exists. Perhaps because of the progress we�ve made, people want to push us back and pull us back.

Over 600 � 600 hateful laws introduced across the country, more than 70 of them becoming law just this last year, denying the existence of transgender people, silencing teachers, banning books, threatening parents with prison for getting their children healthcare.

Families across the country now face excruciating decisions to move to a different state to protect their child from dangerous anti-LGBTQ laws.

I received a letter from one mom who wrote me, quote, �I despair for families like mine who have already become refugees inside our nation.� Refugees inside our nation? That�s how she feels, like a refugee inside our nation. This is the United States of America.

In the United States Congress, extreme MAGA Republicans are trying to undo virtually every bit of progress we�ve made. They�re trying to wipe out federal funding to end the HIV epidemic, strip funding from community centers for seniors, reinstate the ban on transgender troops, ban the Department of Justice from enforcing civil rights laws, ban Pride flags from flying on public lands.

Who the hell � (laughter and applause). Not very presidential.

And they threaten the legal recognition of same-sex marriages.

These are just the cruel attacks on the LGBTQ community. They�re attacks on the foundations of our democracy. You know, they take aim at our fundamental values and principles, like the right to free expression, the right to make your own healthcare decisions, the right to raise our own children.

I�m never going to stand by and watch families terrorized, doctors and nurses criminalized, or any child targeted who � for who they are. It�s who they are. (Applause.)

Jill and I, Kamala and Doug, and our entire administration will always stand with you against hate. And together, we�re going to make even more progress.

You�ve heard me say it before and I apologize having to repeat it: When a person can be married in the morning and thrown out of a restaurant for being gay in the afternoon, something is still fundamentally wrong in this country. (Applause.) And that still exists.

That�s why we must pass the Equality Act and pass it now. (Applause.) That�s why we must do it.

At a time when studies show violence against LGBTQ Americans is on the rise, we have to do more to keep people and their communities safe.

Twenty-five years ago this week, Matthew Shepard was brutally taken from us. His courageous parents, Judy and Dennis, have turned his murder into a movement. As we remember him � (applause) � we also remember LGBTQ people and allies killed this year.

Like O�Shae Sibley, killed while dancing and expressing joy.

Laura Ann Carleton, who simply hung a Pride flag outside � you know, think of that � she hung a Pride flag outside her home. She was killed.

Colin Smith, stabbed while defending a friend being harassed.

And dozens of chan- � transgender Americans, especially transgender women of color, killed every year. (Applause.)

The Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice and Health and Human Services has launched a safety partnership to better protect festivals and marches and community centers and businesses, to better protect healthcare providers serving the community, and to help folks report hate crimes.

Nearly a year after the horrific shooting at Club Q in Colorado Springs, we have to fully implement the most significant gun safety law in nearly 30 years and then pass again the assault weapons ban, which Dianne and I passed. No excuse. (Applause.)

Who, in God�s name, needs a weapon with 100 rounds in a chamber? The weapon was only meant for one thing: to kill people.

We did it before. We can do it again. As long as I�m in office, I�m not going to stop until we get it done again.

Look, folks, let me close with this. A week ago, we saw hate manifest in another way in the worst massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust. More than 1,300 innocent lives lost in Israel, including at least 27 Americans.

Children and grandparents alike kidnapped and held hostage by Hamas. A humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Innocent Palestinian families � and the vast majority of them have nothing to do with Hamas. (Applause.) They�re being used as human shields.

Yesterday, I spoke for over an hour with the family members of those Americans who are still unaccounted for on a Zoom call. They�ve endured an agony of not knowing what has happened. Not the same thing, but I can tell you what it�s like.

It�s one thing to lose someone who you know you�re to lose and be there with them and hold their hands, like I was able to do with my son. It�s a very other thing to get a phone call, like I got years ago, saying, �There�s been an accident. Your wife and daughter are dead. I�m not sure your boys are going to make it.� The uncertainty of those two or three hours, trying to get back to find out. It�s the worst feeling in the world. It�s gut-wrenching.

And it�s yet another reminder that hate never goes away. It only hides. It hides under the rocks.

I thought, being so deeply involved in the Civil Rights Movement, when I was able to convince, of all people, Strom Thurmond to vote for the Voting Rights Act in his last year, changed his mind � I thought, �Well, you can defeat hate.� (Applause.)

But guess what happened? Hate just hides under the rocks until there�s a little oxygen blown under, like happened � what happened in Charlottesville. Just a little bit. And then it comes roaring out again.

Folks, we have to reject hate in every form. (Applause.) Because history has taught us again and again antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia � they�re all connected.

Hate toward one group, left unanswered, opens the door for more hate toward more groups, more often, readily. (Applause.)

But here�s what which history shows: The antidote to hate is love. The answer to twisted, dehumanizing ideologies is solidarity and standing up for everyone�s humanity.

That�s why laws that actually protect equality matter to every single American no matter who you are, who you love, or where you come from.

This shouldn�t be about conservative or liberal, red or blue. This is about realizing the promise of the Declaration of Independence � it sounds corny � but a promise rooted in the sacred and the secular that all people are created equal, endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (Applause.)

Folks, it may sound corny, but we�ve never fully lived up to that promise, but we�ve never walked away from it like many want us to do. And we�re not going to walk away from it on my watch, I promise you.

And all of you here tonight and all the advocates and allies across the country, I see the light that�s going to triumph over the darkness. I see hope that�s going to conquer fear. I see love that�s going to overcome hate in all its forms.

I see a great nation because we�re basically a good people. We just have to remember who we are. And we�re not the victim. And although we are good folks, we got to stand up and holler. We got to stand up and holler. You cannot be silent. Silence is complicity. Silence is complicity. (Applause.)

Folks, we�re the United States of America. And there is nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together. Nothing, nothing, nothing. So, let�s stand together and get everyone else on the deal.

God bless you all. And may God protect our troops. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. (Applause.)

7:01 P.M. EDT

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:11

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

This is Republican succ (which is effectively equivalent to Democrat party succ) so this feels appropriate for this thread:

https://x.com/rick_wiley/status/1718614568610722159?s=20

Politico posted:

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa � Nikki Haley stayed until the last of her admirers got to shake her hand, so long that the Brosh Chapel staff began hurriedly stacking chairs around her. This was a funeral home, after all, and they had a late-afternoon service to prepare for.

If mortuaries generally make poor settings for campaign events � easily turned into metaphors for any candidate appearing there � the Haley campaign�s decision to hold one recently at such a place would seem to be the exception.

It isn�t just that Haley has navigated past the prognostications of her political death. It�s that the timing of her rise � with several rivals fading, one newly out, and with increasingly urgent calls for a consolidation of the primary field � is already reshaping the GOP�s longshot undercard race to overtake Donald Trump.

�She�s breaking through at the right moment,� said Mike Murphy, a veteran Republican strategist. �Everything else has been ridiculous preseason coverage, like baseball teams at summer training � I think it all starts now.�

Other GOP contenders had their moments in the spotlight. Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor, was an instant frontrunner of the field of Trump alternatives, before backsliding. South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott was once the talk of the donor class, while biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy became a sensation after the first debate.

But Haley, sparked by two widely-praised debate performances and a turn in the primary to international affairs � a subject of authority for the former U.N. ambassador � may have better timing than any of those candidates. Her ascent, while still only a handful of points nationally, comes amid escalating anxiety within the GOP about the primary field�s failure to winnow. In recent weeks, Republican politicians, pundits and at least one newspaper editorial board have called for most of the remaining candidates to drop out and consolidate around Haley, the former South Carolina governor. On Wednesday, former U.S. senator and New Hampshire Gov. Judd Gregg became the latest to issue a Haley endorsement.

DeSantis has been forced to turn his focus to attacking Haley in an effort to blunt her momentum. And after picking up supporters during the first two primary debates, Haley is likely to have even fewer candidates to share the spotlight with during the next one. On Saturday, former Vice President Mike Pence suspended his campaign.

�It�s coming at a great time for her,� said Whit Ayres, a longtime Republican pollster. �Sometimes the direction of movement is as important as the absolute level of standing � and she�s going up, while the other candidates are either going down or remaining flat.�

Despite Trump still leading the rest of the field by as many as 50 points nationally and 30 points in the early states, Haley is now the main reason DeSantis can no longer declare the primary a �two-man race.� She has closed in on DeSantis, surpassing him in New Hampshire and South Carolina, and is slowly gaining on him in Iowa, despite the Florida governor barnstorming the state throughout the summer and investing significantly more there than Haley.

Since the first debate, Haley has caught fire with New Hampshire voters, rocketing from 3 percent in August to as high as 19 percent recently and solidly in second place.

�The rise is real,� Ayres said. �It reflects her debate performance in the first two debates, but also her performance on the stump.�

Haley, to be sure, isn�t filling stadiums. Campaigning recently in Iowa, her events look much like they did throughout the spring and summer � with an advance team ensuring every seat was filled, �Pick Nikki� signs lining the walls and an open-ended question-and-answer portion at the end of her stump speech. She is largely running the same type of campaign she has from the start.

But there are signs on the trail that Haley is now a critical factor in the race, evident not only in the supporters who show up for her, but in the opponents who once ignored her. At consecutive town halls last weekend in Iowa, the first questions Haley faced were from people challenging her record.

Honey, it's hailing outside! . . . Nikki Haleying and everyone is feelin' it!

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:22

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

its good that the dems have done alot to protect minority groups such as

its also quite insane that these freaks are legit making an argument to support genocide

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:25

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

HallelujahLee posted:

its good that the dems have done alot to protect minority groups such as

its also quite insane that these freaks are legit making an argument to support genocide

the capitalist class is technically a minority group

the dems have done a lot to protect them, like increase police budgets and implementing austerity measures

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:26

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

Bold prediction: most Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim Americans will vote for Biden because the other choice is... Trump. One is continuing support for Israel like all American presidents, Trump will do all that and so much more, and then call you a terrorist on top of it.

yikes

it really is the forum of calm hitlers

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:28

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

mags posted:

libs, stop using my identity to excuse your hypocrisy

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:32

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

all these arguments on why you gotta vote blue center on all the good things biden could do as president, and all the evil things Trump would do as president.

ok except they literally were both president. that just loving happened, back to back, right up until the current moment. i don't have to guess at what their presidencies might be like because unlike libs i have a functioning memory that can stretch back a whole 7 years.

under trump the rich got everything they wanted. under biden the rich got everything they wanted. under trump immigrants got treated like poo poo. under biden immigrants got treated like poo poo. under trump we gave unconditional support to israel. under biden we gave unconditional support to israel.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:32

cenotaph: Mar 2, 2013

Not exactly succ but idk where else this would go. I'm very fond of the picture of a siren light on a cell phone.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:33

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

is pepsi ok posted:

all these arguments on why you gotta vote blue center on all the good things biden could do as president, and all the evil things Trump would do as president.

ok except they literally were both president. that just loving happened, back to back, right up until the current moment. i don't have to guess at what their presidencies might be like because unlike libs i have a functioning memory that can stretch back a whole 7 years.

under trump the rich got everything they wanted. under biden the rich got everything they wanted. under trump immigrants got treated like poo poo. under biden immigrants got treated like poo poo. under trump we gave unconditional support to israel. under biden we gave unconditional support to israel.

uh excuse me the dems are doing it with decorum

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:35

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

Clip-On Fedora posted:

No

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:36

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

all i know is the dems are supporting/aiding genocide trump isnt president its a rapist corpse so i dont think palestinians care for worthless hypotheticals

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:37

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

"Do you think Trump would be any better on this issue?!?!"

No, I don't. That's why I'm not voting.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:37

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

is pepsi ok posted:

"Do you think Trump would be any better on this issue?!?!"

No, I don't. That's why I'm not voting.

thats the only alternative for these losers they cant come up with literally anything else that if you dont vote dem you can only vote gop apparently

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:40

Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

mawarannahr posted:

If you stay home in 2024 and that helps Trump win, you'll likely be partly responsible for genocide of Ukrainians.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:40

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

"It’s well past time for the long-suffering Palestinians to have their own state. But what we are hearing from the far left — in rallies, online and on campuses — is something else entirely. They are attacking the Jewish state’s very existence. They are celebrating the mass murder of Jewish people. And they have, predictably, set off an orgy of violence and harassment directed at American Jews," Dana Milbank writes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/30/its-lonely-time-be-jew-america/

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:46

1glitch0: Sep 4, 2018; I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

PostNouveau posted:

Biden playing the smart game. How can one make a gaffe if one is incapable of speech?

# ? Oct 30, 2023 18:54

RC Cola: Aug 1, 2011; Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Blockade posted:

I�m still flabbergasted that Bernie Bros suddenly don�t exist anymore.

After years of harassing anyone (primarily Black women) who dared criticize Bernie in the slightest, they finally turned on him over tweets commemorating the Tree of Life massacre. That was all it took.

now its Palestine bros ruining everything

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:05

ScootsMcSkirt: Oct 29, 2013

HallelujahLee posted:

Bold prediction: most Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim Americans will vote for Biden because the other choice is... Trump. One is continuing support for Israel like all American presidents, Trump will do all that and so much more, and then call you a terrorist on top of it.

yikes

it really is the forum of calm hitlers

Have you read any human history?

Prehistoric genocide

Homo sapiens ethnically cleansed every other remotely peer hominid before we even had written language. The "I want zero genocide" is an extremely recent development in human social evolution like the last hundred years recent.

Origin of the term genocide.

Think about that for a moment, we didn't have a term for it until halfway through the 20th century it was just how poo poo was done.

So yeah at this point "I want zero genocides" is an aspirational goal that is very far from being actualized. Also as has been pointed out Gaza is far from the only ongoing genocide taking place, it's just the most visible at the moment because Ukraine has become a stalemate and the media is bored with it and others involve brown on brown genocide so our corporate media gives no fucks about covering them.

Now I've yet to see either of these two things come out of the Accelerationists.

First an answer to if voting doesn't matter then why do the Fash spend so much time, effort and money to prevent people from doing it?

Second show me one historical example where the collapse of a government has ever resulted in a more humane and progressive society?

Incrementalism through electoralism has a demonstrated history of successfully shifting society to a more progressive and tolerant state, accelerationism has not. Also electoralism is more than just voting, it also includes organizing, protesting, boycotting etc etc etc all of which is done to shift the views of the public which is ultimately manifested in election outcomes.

At no time in my life have the very real and substantial differences between the two parties been more clearly obvious.

There are two choices and one of them is going to win. One party has mixed feelings about the Palestinian conflict and the other is pro extermination. One party supports the continuation of democracy and a secular civil society and the other wants to establish a white "Christian"* ethnostate. One wants the erase trans people (and you can bet all LGBTQ+ folks when that's done) and the other doesn't.

Voting blue no matter who isn't going to fix things in the short to mid term, but at least it keeps the possibility of doing so alive. The GOP's goal is to literally shut that possibility down forever.

*Supply Side Jesus edition .

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:05

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

That's something I've said before and it's still apt here. There's an oft-cited refrain of "Liberals rehabilitated Bush, and they'll rehabilitate Trump, just you see." And it's half true, because while both happened it wasn't liberals: it was people trying to dunk on Democrats whether from the left or libertarianwards or what. For eight years every valid-but-boring criticism of Obama got spiced up with a heavy shake of "As bad as Bush!" while the memories of what Bush actually did faded so people got to thinking that "huh, that howling rage against him was just kayfabe?" Trump was getting it even before he was in office, people who never planned to vote for him still glossing him up just so they could argue against Clinton. Some of that was insisting he was gonna outflank the Dems from the left on domestic policy, but it also included pretending he was going to be all hands-off in foreign policy even while he was promising to bomb more Muslims, kill more civilians, and snuggle up to Israel in whole new ways that Kenyan Muslim atheist communist would never dare. Then he absolutely kept those promises.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:07

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

Nichael posted:

This is Republican succ (which is effectively equivalent to Democrat party succ) so this feels appropriate for this thread:

https://x.com/rick_wiley/status/1718614568610722159?s=20

Honey, it's hailing outside! . . . Nikki Haleying and everyone is feelin' it!

https://x.com/brianneDMR/status/1718933506770805171?s=20

The consent manufacturing is working, at least among people who watch mainstream media

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:13

Srice: Sep 11, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

That's something I've said before and it's still apt here. There's an oft-cited refrain of "Liberals rehabilitated Bush, and they'll rehabilitate Trump, just you see." And it's half true, because while both happened it wasn't liberals: it was people trying to dunk on Democrats whether from the left or libertarianwards or what. For eight years every valid-but-boring criticism of Obama got spiced up with a heavy shake of "As bad as Bush!" while the memories of what Bush actually did faded so people got to thinking that "huh, that howling rage against him was just kayfabe?" Trump was getting it even before he was in office, people who never planned to vote for him still glossing him up just so they could argue against Clinton. Some of that was insisting he was gonna outflank the Dems from the left on domestic policy, but it also included pretending he was going to be all hands-off in foreign policy even while he was promising to bomb more Muslims, kill more civilians, and snuggle up to Israel in whole new ways that Kenyan Muslim atheist communist would never dare. Then he absolutely kept those promises.

as a leftist, I LOVE bush and the war on terror

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:16

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Proving you correct about government censorship once again.

Idc about the smugging rights but before this month I despaired of ever convincing youngs that trusting (much less advocating for) the government to control your speech was not in their interests, but rather the government's interests, and that such control wouldn't defeat fascism, but expand it.

That one fell swoop could not only be this persuasive about government-controlled speech but also so starkly show the dangers of governments criminalizing protest is kind of stunning.

I read something last week about how people who came of age after 9/11 & post-PATRIOT Act are more cavalier about the lack of civil liberties, which made sense to me, but I've also seen the trope (in this very thread) that since the First has been squelched by the right it's perfectly ok for the "left" to squelch it too.

The First is a precious, delicate flower that we must nurture, protect & defend as if it's crucial to our well-being and our ability to effect change. Because it is.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:19

1glitch0: Sep 4, 2018; I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

theCalamity posted:

I truly wish there was an option to vote for president that did not support Israel. However, 2/2 options both do. However, 1/2 options does not support the genocide of transgender and other LGBT people, while the other 1/2 does. Therefore I will use the vote I have to prevent the genocide that's still preventable and will do whatever I can to protest and support candidates that do oppose all genocides. And if the situations were reversed, I would totally understand and agree with your vote if you could only vote to stop the genocide of Palestinians but not transgender people

Biden will put the entire force of the United States government behind Israel in their genocide in Gaza and there is zero chance he will stop. Trump would probably do the same. But it's not 100%. There's always a chance that some perceived slight would set him off and he'd gently caress over Israel. So Trump is actually the correct vote to stop genocide.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:21

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Nichael posted:

This is Republican succ (which is effectively equivalent to Democrat party succ) so this feels appropriate for this thread:

https://x.com/rick_wiley/status/1718614568610722159?s=20

Honey, it's hailing outside! . . . Nikki Haleying and everyone is feelin' it!

Nikki Haley has enormous crossover appeal for liberals. Voting for a republican is incredible lib credibility builder to show what a rational adult you are.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:22

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

theCalamity posted:

I truly wish there was an option to vote for president that did not support Israel. However, 2/2 options both do. However, 1/2 options does not support the genocide of transgender and other LGBT people, while the other 1/2 does. Therefore I will use the vote I have to prevent the genocide that's still preventable and will do whatever I can to protest and support candidates that do oppose all genocides. And if the situations were reversed, I would totally understand and agree with your vote if you could only vote to stop the genocide of Palestinians but not transgender people

Spoken by someone who appears to be perfectly fine with the idea of a party that has sponsored our healthcare system genociding 80,000 people every year.

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:23

Iverron: May 13, 2012

isn�t Haley the standout winner in all the vs. Biden polls, makes sense given how many liberals seemingly want to vote for her

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:25

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Iverron posted:

isn�t Haley the standout winner in all the vs. Biden polls, makes sense given how many liberals seemingly want to vote for her

she is a great fit for the hillary clinton crowd

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:28

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Haley/Cheney in 2028 or 2032

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:30

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

Is there a scale of acceptable genocides I'm having trouble quantifying it

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:32

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Uncle Wemus posted:

Is there a scale of acceptable genocides I'm having trouble quantifying it

any genocide becomes more acceptable over time as the novelty wears off

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:32

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

Uncle Wemus posted:

Is there a scale of acceptable genocides I'm having trouble quantifying it

put it in the 9/11 calculator first, it helps with comparing two conversions

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:33

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

mawarannahr posted:

he's doing stuff
Remarks by President Biden and First Lady Jill Biden at the 2023 Human Rights Campaign National Dinner | The White House

i ain't reading that poo poo lol

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:39

insane clown pussy: Jun 20, 2023

RC Cola posted:

now its Palestine bros ruining everything

gaza guys

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:39

Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

this president gets 2.5 Gaddafi's to the library of congress

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:39

Coolness Averted: Feb 20, 2007; oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Trabisnikof posted:

That's something I've said before and it's still apt here. There's an oft-cited refrain of "Liberals rehabilitated Bush, and they'll rehabilitate Trump, just you see." And it's half true, because while both happened it wasn't liberals: it was people trying to dunk on Democrats whether from the left or libertarianwards or what. For eight years every valid-but-boring criticism of Obama got spiced up with a heavy shake of "As bad as Bush!" while the memories of what Bush actually did faded so people got to thinking that "huh, that howling rage against him was just kayfabe?" Trump was getting it even before he was in office, people who never planned to vote for him still glossing him up just so they could argue against Clinton. Some of that was insisting he was gonna outflank the Dems from the left on domestic policy, but it also included pretending he was going to be all hands-off in foreign policy even while he was promising to bomb more Muslims, kill more civilians, and snuggle up to Israel in whole new ways that Kenyan Muslim atheist communist would never dare. Then he absolutely kept those promises.

pretty hosed up the berniebros forced democrats to love bush

# ? Oct 30, 2023 19:41