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That Works posted:Did they forget the part where ultimately ALL nations must turn against Israel to usher in the next steps in Revalations etc? I can speak a bit to this. Fair warning on this topic I think right-wing evangelicals and in particular premillenial dispensationalists are a blight on modern Christianity and am unable to give an objective view. Anyway, for the most part they think they'll be raptured beforehand. Later the antichrist will seize control of the world and launch an attack on Israel. With the evangelicals gone, America will lose all its morals and decency and will probably be ruled by Barack HUSSEIN Obumbler or that witch Hillary by that point, and Democrats hate Israel so naturally they'll join in to attack it. The majority of Jews will be killed, but a few will realize that the evangelicals were right all along and throw themselves down begging for help, at which point Jesus along with his heavenly host will rescue the ones who convert. You might also wonder why a religious framework that culminates in the annihilation of the Jews calls everyone else anti-semitic, and it's pretty much all projection. Usually these guys are anti-semitic as gently caress, but ending the Jews is a job for the Christian endtimes, Hamas is moving in on their turf! That's not a complete timeline, what events happen varies heavily between groups who all say this is from a "literal" reading of the Bible. In any event, this prophecy was basically made up out of whole cloth in the 1800s by John Darby and was further refined by Cyrus Scofield. It's formed by taking unrelated passages from various books of the prophets and Revelation and smushing them together, running them through a particular frame, and selectively reinterpreting or ignoring passages in order to get it to say what you want (which is basically "literalism" in a nutshell). Usually modern supporters aren't even drinking direct from the well, though, they're getting the ideas from failed prognosticators like Hal Lindsey and LaHaye & Jenkins of Left Behind fame. eta- kind of a worthless snipe, but I don't have any news to share that hasn't already been discussed by the thread
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bulletsponge13 posted:OK, you can disregard the connection if you feel, but it appears pretty obvious to me that they killed his family after having tried to apply pressure not only through their people, but the US on AJ reporting. Maybe I'm a naysayer, but given the Israeli conduct and the suspicious timing, it seems clear to me. I don't think you're being dismissive or dickish. My issue is that it comes across as a conspiracy, which I see so much in right wing discourse as a 'just asking questions' sort of argument. Israel and the US apply pressure to try to get AJ to tone down their reporting. Ok. Shortly after an AJ's family is killed in an Israeli airstrike. Terrible. Is it connected? There's no evidence, but that would be hard to come by. Does it make sense? Well, does it make AJ likely to change their policy? I'd say no. If the goal is to silence AJ, then "accidentally" killing a bunch of their journalists would seem to be a better way of doing this-- the US found itself rather accident prone as it was invading Iraq in '03. And beyond that, it isn't at all unreasonable that this person's family was killed incidentally. Dozens of families are being killed every day by Israel. Everyone killed has connections to other people which could be construed as having some deeper meaning. Most of them however are simply casualties of war. It's my turn to apologize in advance for being a jerk, I'm not so much targeting you, as this style of argument. And you're at least being clear in the connection you're making instead of insisting it remain vague and hence impossible to argue against.
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Nah, you're good- I didn't take your tone as nefarious. I'm just jaded and come across as an rear end in a top hat online, so I'm overly cautious about it here in the Something Awful villages.
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Every day is a new crack-ping moment for me, and today, it's the Saudis who are pro-genocide (of Palestinians) because: I) Allah promised the Holy Land to the Jews II) Palestinians are not "real" Arabs but instead a mix of Turkish, Armenian, Roman, and other lesser races (in Saudi race science, I guess) III) Palestinians were allegedly bad guests as refugees in generations past, and it is Netanyahu's prerogative and responsibility to rid the world of them It's hosed enough as it is but then you get the Israelis retweeting that stuff captioned with "HONEST ARAB TELLS IT LIKE IT IS" and I realize I am once again smelling burnt toast
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Dopilsya posted:I can speak a bit to this. Fair warning on this topic I think right-wing evangelicals and in particular premillenial dispensationalists are a blight on modern Christianity and am unable to give an objective view. Anyway, for the most part they think they'll be raptured beforehand. Later the antichrist will seize control of the world and launch an attack on Israel. With the evangelicals gone, America will lose all its morals and decency and will probably be ruled by Barack HUSSEIN Obumbler or that witch Hillary by that point, and Democrats hate Israel so naturally they'll join in to attack it. The majority of Jews will be killed, but a few will realize that the evangelicals were right all along and throw themselves down begging for help, at which point Jesus along with his heavenly host will rescue the ones who convert. You might also wonder why a religious framework that culminates in the annihilation of the Jews calls everyone else anti-semitic, and it's pretty much all projection. Usually these guys are anti-semitic as gently caress, but ending the Jews is a job for the Christian endtimes, Hamas is moving in on their turf! That was an informative post. 
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1829092/Erdogan-Turkey-Israel-war-Gazaquote:Turkey's president appears to have threatened to intervene in Gaza in an impassioned speech at a pro-Palestine rally this evening. On the one hand, I'm happy that someone is actually standing up for the Palestinians and he's saying a lot of true things. On the other hand, Turkey has so many other war crimes to their name that I was neither expecting them nor given any particular feeling that they'd lessen the war crimes going on. On the third mutant hand growing out of my abdomen, there's no way he's serious, right? I mean he's an unstable weirdo, but there's not a chance in hell and this just has to be blowhard bullshit for domestic consumption... right?
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PurpleXVI posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1829092/Erdogan-Turkey-Israel-war-Gaza Erdogan has basically wrecked the Turkish economy, so stoking militant Islamist sentiments is one of the ways he's been distracting from the hyperinflation and poor government response to the earthquake earlier on the year. That, and doubling down on the Gulenist conspiracies and anti-Kurdish angle. It's extremely unlikely he's going to do anything.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1829092/Erdogan-Turkey-Israel-war-Gaza He's also saying a bunch of false things. Hamas are in no way freedom fighters. There are or were Palestinian organizations that could be called freedom fighters, but Hamas isn't that. This isn't just a "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" either. They don't even wait to have control to enact systemic repressions. But yeah, this is 100% self serving on the part of Erdogan. Anything to shore up his popularity and distract from the crumbling economic situation at home.
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Yeah Erdogan is a piece of poo poo and just kinda shoots his mouth off in whichever way he thinks the wind is blowing that week. He basically wants to be a little Putin being the regional dealmaker and kingpin while crushing any opposition at home. As other people have mentioned he basically goes to the islamic nationalist well whenever he thinks it's a good distraction from his fuckups or scores him political points. He is not an ally of Palestinians or anyone who wants a free and open society.
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You know who are actual freedom fighters? The Kurds that Erdogan’s regime has been bombing heavily lately. gently caress him, his solidarity with Palestinians is only as deep as his need to distract the populace from how he has ruined Turkey.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:You know who are actual freedom fighters? The Kurds that Erdogan’s regime has been bombing heavily lately. gently caress him, his solidarity with Palestinians is only as deep as his need to distract the populace from how he has ruined Turkey. yeah i've been seeing that in passing, he's loving with Rojava again
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https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote Strong argument that Aljazeera (I bet intentionally because how does Aljazeera English screw up an Arabic to English translation like this) mistranslated a statement and every english news outlet blindly copied the tweet like lemmings.
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great. lovely. wonderful. as if we needed more loving misinformation.
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The author liked a post in the comments complaining that the media wasn't taking the Twitter files (and Missouri v Biden, which I had to look up) seriously enough so it could be bullshit or it could be the worst person you know meme, I'm not sure.
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ZombieApostate posted:The author liked a post in the comments complaining that the media wasn't taking the Twitter files (and Missouri v Biden, which I had to look up) seriously enough so it could be bullshit or it could be the worst person you know meme, I'm not sure. He also has a bunch of posts advocating for various right wing COVID conspiracy theories (lab leak, media hiding dangers of vaccines, masking doesn't do anything) so I'm not sure he's a reliable source on this.
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If I were a journalist, I also would not respond to that guy.
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His entire argument is they mistranslated "victims" into "deaths" which,  and he's basing it on google translate, he doesn't even speak arabic. Seems like an extremely weak reason to decide that Al-Jazeera intentionally mistranslates stuff to propagate false narratives.
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golden bubble posted:https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote Why are you posting an insane crank who doesn't know the first thing about Arabic or anything? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:His entire argument is they mistranslated "victims" into "deaths" which, He says he hired two translators. (I don’t think that fact supports the “intentional mistranslation” reading.)
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Hiring a couple of folks on Fiverr is the worst way to get to the bottom of a statement’s meaning, next to hiring one person on Fiverr or using machine translation.
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Victim / deaths / deceased / dead persons is one of those things that are going to be touchy to translate in any language pairs, so there’s going to be some editorial decisions to be made. Source doesn’t seem reputable and this debate is getting silly. Move on.
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orange juche posted:But something something rapture Armageddon. isnt a significant part of our current stance biden's doing? congress of course controls aid funding but it's not like the executive is condemning anything or vetoing aid (on the contrary, biden is asking for it--though maybe as a cynical ploy to coax the anti-ukraine aid segment of the gop into an "ugh, fine, if we also send money to israel also" vote). he's certainly not doing it to bring on the rapture i figured that angle was more along the lines of the usual strange bedfellows US middle east policy, where we're happy to support basically anyone that doesn't like iran and are currently way more interested in making the israelis and saudis bond over mutual dislike of iran, because having our various good and close friends who hate our mutual enemy in the region also be good friends with each other pays security dividends that we actually value, unlike human rights which we value when convenient like sure, the executive will put out some token "we recommend maybe not doing this" rhetoric (apparently over rank and file USDOS protest that we should actually strongly recommend not doing this because long term popular sentiment matters and we're falling on the wrong side of that) but as long the israeli and saudi governments can bond over not liking iran nbd, israel can have little a warcrimes genocide as a treat
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the first president to openly criticize isreal will get impeached and or lose the next election. we have a long history of letting isreal poo poo all over us and doing absolute gently caress all about it.
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There's a country that flagrantly interferes in US elections routinely and it isn't Russia or China.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:There's a country that flagrantly interferes in US elections routinely and it isn't Russia or China. It’s Australia.
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Geez y'all are dense. Here is a hint, it starts with an "I." Italy with their drat satellite
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Discussion Quorum posted:Geez y'all are dense. Here is a hint, it starts with an "I." Buongiorno 
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ded posted:the first president to openly criticize isreal will get impeached and or lose the next election. we have a long history of letting isreal poo poo all over us and doing absolute gently caress all about it. Kennedy probably said something.
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Dopilsya posted:That's not a complete timeline, what events happen varies heavily between groups who all say this is from a "literal" reading of the Bible. In any event, this prophecy was basically made up out of whole cloth in the 1800s by John Darby and was further refined by Cyrus Scofield. It's formed by taking unrelated passages from various books of the prophets and Revelation and smushing them together, running them through a particular frame, and selectively reinterpreting or ignoring passages in order to get it to say what you want (which is basically "literalism" in a nutshell). Usually modern supporters aren't even drinking direct from the well, though, they're getting the ideas from failed prognosticators like Hal Lindsey and LaHaye & Jenkins of Left Behind fame. Palestinian groups particularly by the 1960s tended to be secular and left-wing. But in different parts of the world in the 20th century around the same time, there was a similar change in different countries. Religious Zionism became more pronounced in Israel. The Islamic Revolution happened. There was the rise of Sunni jihadist groups. There was the rise of the Evangelical Christians in American politics and the "moral majority" who support an alliance between the governments of the U.S. and Israel, which are comprised of people in the real world, but framed in cosmic, metaphysical and religious terms. In the 21st century, it wouldn't surprise me to see similar changes happening in different countries in a way that will seem contradictory. The relative decline of Evangelical Christians in American politics is happening at the same time that the Iranian mullahs are coping with a lot of unhappy young people.
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Israel sent a hundred armored vehicles into Jenin in the West Bank and they're tearing up the place. Not entirely clear yet what the ultimate goal is, if any. https://www.timesofisrael.com/?post_type=liveblog_entry&p=3138831
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Cugel the Clever posted:Israel sent a hundred armored vehicles into Jenin in the West Bank and they're tearing up the place. Not entirely clear yet what the ultimate goal is, if any. the goal is pretty clear, it's just unclear what that goal has to do with improving literally anyone's security situation
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https://www.reuters.com/world/graphic-pro-israel-ads-make-their-way-into-childrens-video-games-2023-10-30/quote:Oct 30 (Reuters) - Maria Julia Assis was sitting down to a meal in her terraced home in north London when her 6-year-old son ran into the dining room, his face pale. Israel confirmed it was their ad, but also said "we told the ad companies it wasn't supposed to end up in kids' games" as if that makes everything better. Christ.
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:like sure, the executive will put out some token "we recommend maybe not doing this" rhetoric (apparently over rank and file USDOS protest that we should actually strongly recommend not doing this because long term popular sentiment matters and we're falling on the wrong side of that) but as long the israeli and saudi governments can bond over not liking iran nbd, israel can have little a warcrimes genocide as a treat To the people making these decisions, "long term" means "until next November." Cugel the Clever posted:Israel sent a hundred armored vehicles into Jenin in the West Bank and they're tearing up the place. Not entirely clear yet what the ultimate goal is, if any. That pretty much is the goal, I think.
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I find it hard to believe that Israel the country with multiple cyber warfare, intelligence and espionage agencies didn't know what they were doing
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Kazinsal posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/graphic-pro-israel-ads-make-their-way-into-childrens-video-games-2023-10-30/ On the flipside I saw some pro Palestine drawings displayed in the town center in Splatoon 3 for the weekend's Halloween splatfest.
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Wasabi the J posted:I find it hard to believe that Israel the country with multiple cyber warfare, intelligence and espionage agencies didn't know what they were doing You think they're intentionally injecting graphic ads into children's cellphone games? To what end?
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Grip it and rip it posted:You think they're intentionally injecting graphic ads into children's cellphone games? To what end? Impressionable minds. Remember the whole thing where people were targeting obscene videos at children by infiltrating the youtube kids thing and disguising disturbing footage as something that began in a benign fashion? same deal.
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That Reuters piece is going to be seen by way more people than that ad. But yeah maybe they hosed up.
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My guess is that they didn’t do out of their way to advertise to children, but they didn’t go out of their way to avoid it, either.
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There were Israeli ads a couple weeks ago that ran during kids shows. They had a childish, colourful art with text saying they knew the kids couldn't read, but the parents could understand how terrorists are bad etc etc. Even if the kids can't read they're likely to ask their parents whats going on with this strange ad. Get 'em while they're young.
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