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There's this clever thing you can do where you can put hundreds of people inside a big car that runs on a road made just for it, and you only need one person to drive it.
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OwlFancier posted:There's this clever thing you can do where you can put hundreds of people inside a big car that runs on a road made just for it, and you only need one person to drive it. you need a person to drive it? are they doing it for fun?
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Oct 31, 2023 01:49
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NotJustANumber99 posted:you need a person to drive it? are they doing it for fun? Yes. Driving a train is fun
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Oct 31, 2023 01:50
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i have driven a train through the channel tunnel at the science museum in london. it was not fun
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Oct 31, 2023 01:53
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If people weren't doing stupid jobs we could take turns driving the trains and also we probably wouldn't need to drive as many of them. Whereas if everyone is using self driving cars you need lots of people employed to constantly make cars.
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Oct 31, 2023 01:55
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I've help put in some cool stuff that helps with automatic trains. I don't know how close we are to complete driverless trains but it feels like it's closer than a road full of driverless cars
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Oct 31, 2023 02:17
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Operating on literal rails on fully segregated tracks which already rely primarily on off-vehicle sensors to direct traffic is absolutely a better situation for automation than cars.
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Oct 31, 2023 02:22
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Everyone wants to be the philosopher poet in the revolution. Nobody wants to clean the toilets. I think recognising we have less than 1 job per person to do in the country is important. The fairest way to divvy that work out is to make those who can do 0.6 of a job at the same pay. You'd see a transformation within a short space of time. People would fill their lives with other things, we do inherently want to create and enjoy our lives.
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Oct 31, 2023 02:47
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winegums posted:Everyone wants to be the philosopher poet in the revolution. Nobody wants to clean the toilets. The other things that people do with their time to enjoy their lives also create actual jobs, it's pretty nifty. Sometimes the jobs they create are even cool and good, relative to the average job. PT6A fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Oct 31, 2023 06:54
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"continue this way plebian, for you must fill my coffers" Conflating the innate drive for progress and meaning with "lol work you loving scrub" is hilarious Quelle surprise that a landlord harbours this mindset
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Oct 31, 2023 06:58
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I read Mistress Masham's Repose very young, and this quote about TH White's stranded Lilliputian community always stuck with me as the ideal attitude to "work":quote:They believed that the most important thing in the world was to find out what one liked doing, and then to do it. Thus the people who liked being hunters, were hunters; those who liked fishing, fished; and anybody who did not like doing anything at all was supported by the others with the greatest care and commiseration, for they considered him to be the most unfortunate of mortals. That book affected a lot of my attitudes, come to think of it.
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Oct 31, 2023 07:46
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I'd happily clean the toilets on a rota basis! Like, 2 days a week doing my same sort of computer- touching job, then 1 day as a janitor, then 1 day as a taxi driver, or retail worker or something. Then the next 3 days off, 'cos we may as well throw in a 4 day working week while we're at it.
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Oct 31, 2023 07:48
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I remember scrubbing the bogs when I worked at a Subway and there are many days working every job since where I wish I could do that instead, but for the same pay. It's not that bad, they gave me a brush. Hell, even working at the subway, it was usually better than dealing with customers.
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Oct 31, 2023 08:02
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PT6A posted:for the same pay Certain types of work are systematically underpaid, disrespected or negatively incentivized. The abstract tasks of delivering food to people or driving people around, for example, could be very rewarding materialistically and inherently, but current systems - in which time constraints, poor pay and ratings lead to antagonistic interactions and bad driving - makes that almost impossible. Another example is the British Gas engineer whose appointments and time are managed by a computer somewhere and is negatively impacted by spending too long with a customer, instead of being trusted to use their technical knowledge to do a good job and being properly paid.
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big scary monsters posted:I've been unemployed a few times and honestly it was great except that I didn't have any money. That's really the main downside of not working in my experience. I got terribly depressed
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Oct 31, 2023 08:50
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There’s an Israeli arms manufacturer with an office near my work, this morning there’s a group of people lying across the entrance to their car park with a big pro-Palestine banner
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Oct 31, 2023 08:59
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you should join them op even divorced from regional events, arms manufacturers are universally bad and terrible and deserving of your ire
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Skimming through the past two pages are people having to explain to NJAN99 that expending effort on non-fun things is not the same as partaking in a 9-5 workday?History Comes Inside! posted:There’s an Israeli arms manufacturer with an office near my work, this morning there’s a group of people lying across the entrance to their car park with a big pro-Palestine banner Niiice.
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domhal posted:Certain types of work are systematically underpaid, disrespected or negatively incentivized. The abstract tasks of delivering food to people or driving people around, for example, could be very rewarding materialistically and inherently, but current systems - in which time constraints, poor pay and ratings lead to antagonistic interactions and bad driving - makes that almost impossible. Another example is the British Gas engineer whose appointments and time are managed by a computer somewhere and is negatively impacted by spending too long with a customer, instead of being trusted to use their technical knowledge to do a good job and being properly paid. Agreed. And I even see it in my current profession. I teach people how to fly planes, and I really enjoy doing it. The top of the pay-scale for that is poo poo, it could be eclipsed by an airline pilot with a few years of experience, and no matter how good I get at it, it's never going to improve. The choices are leave the job I love, and have gotten pretty good at, and make massively more money, or stay and pass on my experience and eat poo poo for it. It's not a choice that you'd have to make in a sane system.
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Oct 31, 2023 09:25
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I cannot believe you lot have had a multi page discussion about 'work' because 99 replied to me saying some people can't work with "pretty much everyone can work" and you got drawn into talking about it instead of telling him to gently caress away off for posting like a Tory
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Oct 31, 2023 09:31
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kecske posted:I could probably do without work because my back and knees are hosed but without some kind of daily structure or routine I would go feral pretty quickly, eating noodles on toast at 3am watching let's plays of 30 year old mmos I think we just might be the same person
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Oct 31, 2023 09:36
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I enjoy my work, but I hate my job
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Oct 31, 2023 09:37
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Ms Adequate posted:I cannot believe you lot have had a multi page discussion about 'work' because 99 replied to me saying some people can't work with "pretty much everyone can work" and you got drawn into talking about it instead of telling him to gently caress away off for posting like a Tory Talking about how work loving sucks is always something I'm down for
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fridge corn posted:I enjoy my work, but I hate my job My god... it's 9 perfect words.
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Ms Adequate posted:I cannot believe you lot have had a multi page discussion about 'work' because 99 replied to me saying some people can't work with "pretty much everyone can work" and you got drawn into talking about it instead of telling him to gently caress away off for posting like a Tory Tbf I dislike the sentiment that encouraging disabled people back into work is in some way cruel. Most disabled people want to work, but are not given the support they need to be allowed to. The issue with the Tories is they don't plan to provide that support (and Starmers Labour won't either)
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Oct 31, 2023 09:41
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Working 9 to 5, what a way to make a living
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Mega Comrade posted:Tbf I dislike the sentiment that encouraging disabled people back into work is in some way cruel. Most disabled people want to work, but are not given the support they need to be allowed to. I think the cruel part is the part where the encouragement essentially equates to “do it or we’ll just starve you out”, personally. It’s not like they’re out there saying “maybe you should get a job, it might help with your mental health or *other beneficial effect here*”, they’re saying “get off your rear end and get a job or we’re going to keep making your life harder and harder until you break”. It’s not encouragement, it’s a threat. History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Oct 31, 2023 |
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Not So Fast posted:W**king 9 to 5, what a way to make a living
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Tesseraction posted:Skimming through the past two pages are people having to explain to NJAN99 that expending effort on non-fun things is not the same as partaking in a 9-5 workday?
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Oct 31, 2023 10:01
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space space communism
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just walked past one of the jewish schools here in north london and the amount of security around it is unreal, like something you'd see in the states
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kecske posted:just walked past one of the jewish schools here in north london and the amount of security around it is unreal, like something you'd see in the states I don't blame them honestly. It feels like lots of people have lost the plot. The real right wing anti semites seem to be having a field day (maybe I am just not used to seeing this) in amongst the chaos.
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Mega Comrade posted:Tbf I dislike the sentiment that encouraging disabled people back into work is in some way cruel. Most disabled people want to work, but are not given the support they need to be allowed to. And some don't. Some find the whole process adds huge stress to them.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/31/keir-starmer-israel-hamas-ceasefire-may-risk-further-violence Kieth is at it again "Keir Starmer: Israel-Hamas ceasefire may risk further violence A permanent ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war could risk further violence, Keir Starmer is expected to say, as he attempts to quell growing tensions within his party over the conflict." What a leader. What vision. What a worthless oval office.
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Oct 31, 2023 10:37
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Some might say that a non-stop barrage of rockets destroying civilian bodies and homes is a form of violence, but I am not a very serious and constipated leader of a major political party
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Mega Comrade posted:Tbf I dislike the sentiment that encouraging disabled people back into work is in some way cruel. Most disabled people want to work, but are not given the support they need to be allowed to. I mean, yes, to some extent that's true, but the country we live in does not provide any of that support and believes that the most effective, and only appropriate, way to encourage disabled people into work is by making life on benefits utterly miserable and making us regularly demonstrate that, yes, the lifelong conditions that afflict us still afflict us (oftentimes wrongly denying our benefits renewals and forcing us through the appeals process with all the combined stress of the process itself and lack of income until and unless it succeeds). This is without mentioning that work for many disabled people would require such radical departure from how things currently operate as to be preposterous. We're so far from a society that facilitates disabled people working that yes, I do believe it is cruel to encourage ('encourage') disabled people into work. It does far more harm to all of us who can't work or would need considerations that capitalism finds prohibitive than arguing it's cruel does in any discouragement it causes to the disabled.
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Permanent ceasefire could cause future violence is a The Whitest Kids U Know skit, prove me wrong.winegums posted:Everyone wants to be the philosopher poet in the revolution. Nobody wants to clean the toilets.
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If cleaning toilets paid the same as the job I already have then I’d rather be cleaning toilets.
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Ms Adequate posted:I mean, yes, to some extent that's true, but the country we live in does not provide any of that support and believes that the most effective, and only appropriate, way to encourage disabled people into work is by making life on benefits utterly miserable and making us regularly demonstrate that, yes, the lifelong conditions that afflict us still afflict us (oftentimes wrongly denying our benefits renewals and forcing us through the appeals process with all the combined stress of the process itself and lack of income until and unless it succeeds). Yeah. People shouldn't need to work. Once that pressure's removed they can decide if they want to work, and what at.
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