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By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Show biz guy: Is he still bankable?
Lackey: Yeah.

Repeat for Mike Tyson and many others.

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Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

By popular demand posted:

Show biz guy: Is he still bankable?
Lackey: Yeah.

Repeat for Mike Tyson and many others.

mike tyson was a literally a world champion. i dont think jeffrey jones was ever at a comparable level of fame. and like, you could easily switch him out for all kinds of other actors and those parts would still work. i dont think he ever even had a lead role in anything?

mike tyson might be a piece of poo poo but he is or was someone that lots of people wanted to pay money to see. i seriously doubt anyone has watched a movie or tv show just because jeffrey jones was in it.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Oct 28, 2023

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Not just, but he's still a solid choice for a cheap villain.
I think he now gets jobs in those insane right wing movies that come up lately

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

i was mainly surprised to see him in Deadwood, both show and movie. he's not a villain, or really a major character, and certainly not one of the draws of the show. he does a decent job with the part i guess but like.. so could lots of other people who aren't child pornographers

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


So either he was especially cheap or someone on the production team is a friend.

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013

redshirt posted:

So, some gold, right? And silver and iron and even uranium?

Yup essentially any naturally occurring elements you'd find on earth that are capable of withstanding the core temperature, which is pretty much all of them except Lithium probably. But that'd still be found in the cooler regions of the sun.

Zeniel fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Oct 29, 2023

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Zeniel posted:

Yup essentially any naturally occurring elements you'd find on earth that are capable of withstanding the core temperature, which is pretty much all of them except Lithium probably. But that'd still be found in the cooler regions of the sun.

Thank you. To confirm, to wit: Any naturally occurring element that appears on Earth will also be present in the Sun (though of course in much greater volumes). Because the Sun is entirely fluid (plasma), any elements heavier than helium will sink and concentrate in the center, eventually.

Thus, the very very center of the Sun is the exotic mélange of every element that naturally occurs, pressed together with incredible force.

Right?

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

Snowy posted:

How many animal murders have I been involved in?

It’s easy to look up “how many cows have I eaten” but those results usually add up the weight to find the equivalent number of cows.

I want to know how many deaths I’ve been complicit in, how many animal souls haunt me. Every chicken nugget contains the meat of how many chickens? How many cows are in an average burger? Add that to every little shrimp, and it really starts adding up.

The bigger the animal, the bigger and more disturbing the ghost. Many wll only haunt you when you're on your deathbed, so you can experience what it's like to be powerless.

Hth.

Edit: Cancer is actually caused by the ghosts of animals you've eaten chewing up your body and making GBS threads inside you.

BigBadSteve fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Oct 29, 2023

Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


redshirt posted:

Thank you. To confirm, to wit: Any naturally occurring element that appears on Earth will also be present in the Sun (though of course in much greater volumes). Because the Sun is entirely fluid (plasma), any elements heavier than helium will sink and concentrate in the center, eventually.

Thus, the very very center of the Sun is the exotic mélange of every element that naturally occurs, pressed together with incredible force.

Right?

Would that mean they’d be layered according to density like a gobstopper?

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



BigBadSteve posted:

The bigger the animal, the bigger and more disturbing the ghost

Looks like I better start working out if I’m going to fight a million animal ghosts

ProperCauldron
Oct 11, 2004

nah chill
on the Awful app, how do ya view the random subforum or temp forums or whatever. Like the current halloween one and i think the previous one was Great outdoors or something. The subforum itself isn't important, how do you see it on the app. Other than digging for a link in a mod announcement

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Shithouse Dave posted:

Would that mean they’d be layered according to density like a gobstopper?

Yes, precisely!

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


redshirt posted:

Metal and element chat

Here's a real thing that people believed and is at least as dumb as anything else ITT:
Columbus expected to find lots of gold because people believed that all metals the same element just with different levels of sun exposure.
So it stood to reason that gold, the sunniest of all metals would be abundant close to the equator!
:dumbbravo:

Columbus was real upset about scarcity of gold on his landing zone and decided to make up for it by mass enslavement! This part is not fun to read about.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
A tangled skein of bad opinions, the hottest takes, and the the world's most misinformed nonsense. Do not engage with me, it's useless, and better yet, put me on ignore.
What's the deal with that comic that has like a teddybear in the last panel going "whaaaaaat?"

1) where can I find it
2) what's its story?

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



ProperCauldron posted:

on the Awful app, how do ya view the random subforum or temp forums or whatever. Like the current halloween one and i think the previous one was Great outdoors or something. The subforum itself isn't important, how do you see it on the app. Other than digging for a link in a mod announcement

If it’s the iOS app they show up in the main forums list

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013

redshirt posted:

Thank you. To confirm, to wit: Any naturally occurring element that appears on Earth will also be present in the Sun (though of course in much greater volumes).

Yup this is pretty right, although I'd also add that the proportions of the elements found in the sun are quite similar to that on the earth too. Well except for Hydrogen, Helium and certain other gasses that escaped the earths atmosphere.

The most widely accepted reason for this these days is called Nebula theory, which is basically that everything in the solar system was formed by the same gas cloud. So as the sun was forming the planets were originally proto-planetary discs (gas clouds always collapse into a disc, because conservation of angular momentum and gas drag will force things into a disc) and then the discs slowly condense into planets.

Also while the discs were forming, because the sun is just blasting out energy all the time, the lighter elements were largely pushed further outwards, and that's why all the gas giants and the Kuiper bodies (pluto, eris, etc) made of well gas are all further away from the sun than the terrestrial planets (mercury
venus, earth, and mars) are largely heavy iron rich bodies. The gas giants also probably migrated a bit further out too or inwards or something, for reasons, I don't remember. Some exoplanet gas giants are just slowly crashing into their parent stars, so they're known to move about.

We've even managed to get visual confirmation of protoplanetary discs around protostars inside nebula so it's a pretty solid explanation.


redshirt posted:

Because the Sun is entirely fluid (plasma), any elements heavier than helium will sink and concentrate in the center, eventually.

Thus, the very very center of the Sun is the exotic mélange of every element that naturally occurs, pressed together with incredible force.

Right?

Not quite... the core is likely going to have a goodly mix of various elements, but the elements in the rest of the star aren't exactly sinking towards the center. I mean by the force of gravity yes they are, BUT there is also counter force of radiation blasting them back out. It's why the sun is the sun, its in local thermodynamic equilibrium, where the crushing force gravity is fusing just enough hydrogen to generate the energy push the remainder of the gas outward so it's a lightly pulsing ball of gas/plasma (some stars are very dramatically pulsing instead)

The other thing to note is that there are different regions inside of the star outside of the core, there's a radiative region (which is just pushing stuff further out, and there's also a convective region where the stuff at the bottom heats up rises, cool and falls down again so it's all spiraling a big circle.

Now over time, as the sun ages, the locations of the radiative and convective regions inside the sun will change. In fact, these regions can be dramatically different depending on the Age, Mass and Elemental composition of the star in question.

Also in fact there will come a time, in the suns future, where the convective region will become so large that it will overlap with the core and start to pull things into and out of it. But this won't be happening in the sun for a long long while yet, long after the earth is engulfed by it anyway.

Used to be in Astrophysics and specifically Stellar Interiors and Nucleosynthesis so this stuff in my jam. Now I'm in medical physics instead, so regular old radiation is now my jam, but I still love me inner star stuff.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Zeniel posted:


Not quite... the core is likely going to have a goodly mix of various elements, but the elements in the rest of the star aren't exactly sinking towards the center. I mean by the force of gravity yes they are, BUT there is also counter force of radiation blasting them back out. It's why the sun is the sun, its in local thermodynamic equilibrium, where the crushing force gravity is fusing just enough hydrogen to generate the energy push the remainder of the gas outward so it's a lightly pulsing ball of gas/plasma (some stars are very dramatically pulsing instead)

The other thing to note is that there are different regions inside of the star outside of the core, there's a radiative region (which is just pushing stuff further out, and there's also a convective region where the stuff at the bottom heats up rises, cool and falls down again so it's all spiraling a big circle.

Now over time, as the sun ages, the locations of the radiative and convective regions inside the sun will change. In fact, these regions can be dramatically different depending on the Age, Mass and Elemental composition of the star in question.

Also in fact there will come a time, in the suns future, where the convective region will become so large that it will overlap with the core and start to pull things into and out of it. But this won't be happening in the sun for a long long while yet, long after the earth is engulfed by it anyway.

Used to be in Astrophysics and specifically Stellar Interiors and Nucleosynthesis so this stuff in my jam. Now I'm in medical physics instead, so regular old radiation is now my jam, but I still love me inner star stuff.

Thank you for this wonderful answer. And I see now how not all the iron, gold, etc would migrate to the center, due to the outward pressure. But, at the beginning, before the star turned on, those heavier elements did have a chance to sink to the center, spin down there, and concentrate. So, is it accurate to say that at the center of an older star's sphere of fusion is an inner inner core made of iron and other elements?

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013

redshirt posted:

Thank you for this wonderful answer. And I see now how not all the iron, gold, etc would migrate to the center, due to the outward pressure. But, at the beginning, before the star turned on, those heavier elements did have a chance to sink to the center, spin down there, and concentrate. So, is it accurate to say that at the center of an older star's sphere of fusion is an inner inner core made of iron and other elements?

Yes! Well for some stars anyway. You can think of the cores of stars as they age as being like onion layers, where each layer is a different element. At some point in the suns future it will stop being able to burn hydrogen (I mean fusion, but that's the lingo people use to talk about this stuff) directly in the core and it'll burn in a shell around the core instead. Then eventually the helium core will burn into more complex elements, and so on. You'll also end up with multiple shell layers all burning at once, it becomes an Asymptotic Giant Branch star.

For something as massive as the sun, if I'm not mistaken, I think it'll only ever burn up to a carbon/oxygen core before it'll die and turn into white dwarf...

You need much more massive stars on the order of 8 times that of the sun to get iron in the core. I believe that's about as heavy and element as any single star is able to make, possibly you might get nickel too (it's to do with nuclear binding energy limits).

If you want to get any element heavier than that, you need supernovae of different kinds, there's uh lots of them and they all have horrible names Type I, Type IA, Type II etc.. The reason being is that you just absolutely saturate the gently caress out of the elements with neutrons at a rate fast enough (or slow enough, in some cases) that they won't be able to just immediately decay back into more stable elements. And that pretty much accounts for everything else up to and including uranium past iron (maybe also some plutonium, maybe...)

But yeah, all the elements in the sun that aren't primordial hydrogen, helium, and some lithium (those are all the stuff that was made during the big bang, not counting the helium and lithium that was made later of course) were all made from either two previous star generations and some big rear end explosions that saturated those elements with enough neutrons to make anything heavier than iron.

Lithium's kinda interesting actually in this regard, in typical core temperatures, it's quite unstable and our current models of the universe and star formation can't really adequately explain the abundance of lithium in the universe today accurately. It's one of the big research topics in stellar astro these days.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Zeniel posted:

Yes! Well for some stars anyway. You can think of the cores of stars as they age as being like onion layers, where each layer is a different element. At some point in the suns future it will stop being able to burn hydrogen (I mean fusion, but that's the lingo people use to talk about this stuff) directly in the core and it'll burn in a shell around the core instead. Then eventually the helium core will burn into more complex elements, and so on. You'll also end up with multiple shell layers all burning at once, it becomes an Asymptotic Giant Branch star.

For something as massive as the sun, if I'm not mistaken, I think it'll only ever burn up to a carbon/oxygen core before it'll die and turn into white dwarf...

You need much more massive stars on the order of 8 times that of the sun to get iron in the core. I believe that's about as heavy and element as any single star is able to make, possibly you might get nickel too (it's to do with nuclear binding energy limits).

If you want to get any element heavier than that, you need supernovae of different kinds, there's uh lots of them and they all have horrible names Type I, Type IA, Type II etc.. The reason being is that you just absolutely saturate the gently caress out of the elements with neutrons at a rate fast enough (or slow enough, in some cases) that they won't be able to just immediately decay back into more stable elements. And that pretty much accounts for everything else up to and including uranium past iron (maybe also some plutonium, maybe...)

But yeah, all the elements in the sun that aren't primordial hydrogen, helium, and some lithium (those are all the stuff that was made during the big bang, not counting the helium and lithium that was made later of course) were all made from either two previous star generations and some big rear end explosions that saturated those elements with enough neutrons to make anything heavier than iron.

Lithium's kinda interesting actually in this regard, in typical core temperatures, it's quite unstable and our current models of the universe and star formation can't really adequately explain the abundance of lithium in the universe today accurately. It's one of the big research topics in stellar astro these days.

That's stellar evolution, I get that. I am talking before that. Primordial iron. Iron that existed in the same nebula that birthed the Sun and the solar system. This iron that sank to the center of the proto-star that became our Sun. It's still there, right?

Zeniel
Oct 18, 2013

redshirt posted:

That's stellar evolution, I get that. I am talking before that. Primordial iron. Iron that existed in the same nebula that birthed the Sun and the solar system. This iron that sank to the center of the proto-star that became our Sun. It's still there, right?

I mean it should be yeah.

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

ProperCauldron posted:

on the Awful app, how do ya view the random subforum or temp forums or whatever. Like the current halloween one and i think the previous one was Great outdoors or something. The subforum itself isn't important, how do you see it on the app. Other than digging for a link in a mod announcement

On the Android app (might be the same on the iOS app):

Settings->Forum index->Force a forum update

You should then, in the main Forums listing (until about Halloween), see The Haunted Clubhouse subforum followed by General Boo-poo poo (this) subforum, then the others.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

credburn posted:

What's the deal with that comic that has like a teddybear in the last panel going "whaaaaaat?"

1) where can I find it
2) what's its story?

https://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop-phriday/bear-ginger-ale/1/

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to interpretation!
Do animals feel shame?

LuckyCat
Jul 26, 2007

Grimey Drawer

emSparkly posted:

Do animals feel shame?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TruhoFdFfg

102923
Oct 30, 2023
there's no such thing as a stupid discourse

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

emSparkly posted:

Do animals feel shame?

I think it's fair to say that at least all mammals have the same emotions we do but can't conceptualize them. They would experience the negative sensations of shame or embarrassment but not internalize them the way we do.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

emSparkly posted:

Do animals feel shame?

Whenever I would take the collar off this old dog of mine I'd swear she'd act embarrassed, like she was naked.

Is that shame?

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

redshirt posted:

Whenever I would take the collar off this old dog of mine I'd swear she'd act embarrassed, like she was naked.

Is that shame?

My one cat will bring me his collar if it comes off. If he can't grab it when it falls into a box, he's very upset.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

emSparkly posted:

Do animals feel shame?

i've seen cats do poo poo like attempt to hit something or calculate a jump, fail completely, and then dramatically roll over on the ground as if that's what they were actually intending to do

Tarkus posted:

My one cat will bring me his collar if it comes off. If he can't grab it when it falls into a box, he's very upset.

thats wild, most cats i know hate collars or tolerate them at best

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Earwicker posted:

thats wild, most cats i know hate collars or tolerate them at best

Yeah, he's the only cat I know that likes their collar. He used to hate it. It should also be said that if he loses the collar and doesn't have it on more like more than a few hours, he no longer likes wearing it until he gets used to it again.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
A tangled skein of bad opinions, the hottest takes, and the the world's most misinformed nonsense. Do not engage with me, it's useless, and better yet, put me on ignore.
Hey it just occurred to me that maybe the reason I think autotune sounds awful is that I've never heard it actually used well? Does anyone actually use autotune to stay on-key, as oppose to using it for that "autotune sound" or some vocal effects or whatever? Like, in a way you can't tell?

maybeadracula
Sep 9, 2022

by sebmojo

credburn posted:

Hey it just occurred to me that maybe the reason I think autotune sounds awful is that I've never heard it actually used well? Does anyone actually use autotune to stay on-key, as oppose to using it for that "autotune sound" or some vocal effects or whatever? Like, in a way you can't tell?

The Rock in Moana

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

credburn posted:

Hey it just occurred to me that maybe the reason I think autotune sounds awful is that I've never heard it actually used well? Does anyone actually use autotune to stay on-key, as oppose to using it for that "autotune sound" or some vocal effects or whatever? Like, in a way you can't tell?

Yes, the entire pop entertainment industry, for the last 50 years.

'Autotune' as we know it was after someone started fiddling with the knobs too much.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Are there any AI's with bodies yet? Like a Siri with centipede legs?

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



If an asteroid hadn’t killed off the dinosaurs, would any of them evolved to be really intelligent?

maybe like humans/apes there would have been some smart dinosaurs walking around talking to each other while there’s still mostly dummy dinos

I guess that humans/apes isn’t the best analogy there but whatevs

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Snowy posted:

If an asteroid hadn’t killed off the dinosaurs, would any of them evolved to be really intelligent?

according to the complex simulations i ran to figure this out* the most likely result is intelligent chickens taking over

*source: approx. 200 SimEarth playthroughs, Macintosh version, 1990-2

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Birds are the dinosaurs that weren't killed by the asteroid or anything since. Some of them are pretty smart but not human level. I don't think it's possible to say whether that's because of some anatomical limit or if they just haven't been subjected to the right evolutionary pressures.

FIX SIGNS
Aug 29, 2006

You're fucking great,
just do what you can.

Das Boo posted:

People who like seaweed: What the gently caress are you tasting, or do you just enjoy the flavor of dead animal low tide?

Yes.

Stink Billyums posted:

why is everybody so fat now?

Can't stop eating all this seaweed!

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

ultrafilter posted:

Birds are the dinosaurs that weren't killed by the asteroid or anything since. Some of them are pretty smart but not human level. I don't think it's possible to say whether that's because of some anatomical limit or if they just haven't been subjected to the right evolutionary pressures.

i mean, humans come in a pretty wide range. i think there are some crows that are smarter than some humans. not most humans, but some.

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Snowy posted:

If an asteroid hadn’t killed off the dinosaurs, would any of them evolved to be really intelligent?

maybe like humans/apes there would have been some smart dinosaurs walking around talking to each other while there’s still mostly dummy dinos

I guess that humans/apes isn’t the best analogy there but whatevs

They had a 200 million year run and didn't do much with it. So I'd say, no, there would be no advanced species of space faring Lizard People.

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