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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

you shoulkd be killed for supporting a smaller market team

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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

this season the Yes Network splash screen & interstitial logo screens says The YES Network Presented by FanDuel lol. I hate the gambling crap so much. maybe it was there last year and I never noticed

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

indigi posted:

yeah but it's still the Knicks. they never won anything, but still, as long as they're ~middling MSG is always on full tilt, that fanbase is so loyal and loud and a third l-adjective. but I can't even imagine a rabid Nets fan

Eh, I could see someone looking at the Nets and picking them over the Knicks. They're both losers but the Nets on any given season might have better players or have a better record.

The Clippers though, who the gently caress would pick them, at least before this streak? It's not like someone could even say that their arena is closer and/or better.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

In Training posted:

this season the Yes Network splash screen & interstitial logo screens says The YES Network Presented by FanDuel lol. I hate the gambling crap so much. maybe it was there last year and I never noticed

It's funny as gently caress how the sports world shifted overnight from anguished pearl clutching to full on support of gambling the second that poo poo moved into the light.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
the one thing I'll give the Clippers is I like homeboy's idea for a season pass compared to traditional season tickets. the idea is you can get like three-five people to go in on two season tickets at a lower price, but the tickets can only be used by the people on the pass, so no reselling to visiting fans. he wants to get in younger fans who don't usually have the money for season/partial season tickets, so it lowers the cost of seats on a per-season basis (and if you're sharing seats among a group it lowers the per-game cost as well)and protects the home team from always having more visiting fans for big games. I like it!

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

In Training posted:

this season the Yes Network splash screen & interstitial logo screens says The YES Network Presented by FanDuel lol. I hate the gambling crap so much. maybe it was there last year and I never noticed

there are a several segments sponsored by fanduel, draftkings, etc

if you are a casual watcher, how can you ever take the results of any game legitamtely?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
it's impressive how quickly we went from virtually no gambling in this country, keeping our collective shame hidden away in LV/AC/reservation casinos, to gambling-sponsored sports media, official league partnerships, and constant advertising on daytime network television while being able to gamble via credit card on your cell phone 24/7. remember this when politicians say that societal change takes a long time

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
i loving hate sports betting so goddamn much.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

indigi posted:

it's impressive how quickly we went from virtually no gambling in this country, keeping our collective shame hidden away in LV/AC/reservation casinos, to gambling-sponsored sports media, official league partnerships, and constant advertising on daytime network television while being able to gamble via credit card on your cell phone 24/7. remember this when politicians say that societal change takes a long time

yeah it was like 20ish months. Maybe it would have taken w/o COVID, it would have been a bigger deal for longer probably during the trabsition

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Only way it's gonna change at this point is when the inevitable massive match (and statistics) fixing scandal gets uncovered. It's either already happening at scale or developing rn, the profit incentive is way too strong with how loose & non-existent state oversight of the industry is. I just wonder which sport is going to pop first.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

indigi posted:

it's impressive how quickly we went from virtually no gambling in this country, keeping our collective shame hidden away in LV/AC/reservation casinos
bring back this poo poo. people should not be gambling any more than they can afford to go to vegas or (yuck) ac. i feel like this is an rear end in a top hat opinion, but goddamn i hate what gambling companies have done to any activity no matter how remotely or tangentially related to sports

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

In Training posted:

Only way it's gonna change at this point is when the inevitable massive match (and statistics) fixing scandal gets uncovered. It's either already happening at scale or developing rn, the profit incentive is way too strong with how loose & non-existent state oversight of the industry is. I just wonder which sport is going to pop first.
NFL has the most interest/money but NBA has so many games that it feels like there is more opportunity there. NBA refs seem more crooked, too. just look at Eric Lewis's "retirement," or even refs having stupid but obvious beefs with specific player (Scott Foster and Chris Paul). those guys were just homers/haters. imagine what they could do with a profit movie

e: lol and that one city in NJ(?) where half of NBA refs all live in the same house and sleep together in one big bed

a new study bible!
Feb 2, 2009



BIG DICK NICK
A Philadelphia Legend
Fly Eagles Fly


the refs in the Bulls/Raps game were gambling. go back and watch those final three minutes and tell me they weren’t.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

TenementFunster posted:

NFL has the most interest/money but NBA has so many games that it feels like there is more opportunity there. NBA refs seem more crooked, too. just look at Eric Lewis's "retirement," or even refs having stupid but obvious beefs with specific player (Scott Foster and Chris Paul). those guys were just homers/haters. imagine what they could do with a profit movie

e: lol and that one city in NJ(?) where half of NBA refs all live in the same house and sleep together in one big bed

The NBA is tailor made for a points shaving scandal. It has the fewest players of any of the major sports, any player can get the ball at any time, and has the most games of any sport short of baseball.

The only thing keeping it from happening is that the players who get significant minutes tend to be extremely well compensated (the flip side of the small number of players), so it would likely take something like a guy getting compromised in college then getting drafted and having the screws put to him once he's in the league.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

a new study bible! posted:

the refs in the Bulls/Raps game were gambling. go back and watch those final three minutes and tell me they weren’t.

they 100% gamble/have favorites, i think theyve been toning it down since eric lewis got caught

i noticed that austin reaves was getting way fewer calls than he normally does in lakers games

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

at least david knew that all that stuff was supposed to happen behind the scenes

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

nba players are rich enough to I think be mostly immune to point shaving

the refs aren’t immune tho

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

euphronius posted:

nba players are rich enough to I think be mostly immune to point shaving

the refs aren’t immune tho

I've always wondered how much shady poo poo happens around point spreads with lottery-bound teams in the back half of the season. Those teams always have a at least some guys playing big minutes who aren't making much and who might decide the payout is better than whatever their next contract might be.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Azathoth posted:

I've always wondered how much shady poo poo happens around point spreads with lottery-bound teams in the back half of the season. Those teams always have a at least some guys playing big minutes who aren't making much and who might decide the payout is better than whatever their next contract might be.

if a guy is playing big minutes not making much, they're probably playing their rear end off convinced that they can get a bigger contract.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

maybe but you be surprised how much the point guards on even the worst teams makes

for example Marcus smart is earning 18 million this year

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

kingcobweb posted:

if a guy is playing big minutes not making much, they're probably playing their rear end off convinced that they can get a bigger contract.

It'd have to be a vet at the end of their career, the kind of guy who gets minutes because someone's gotta get them but knows that after their current contract is over, they're gonna have to go overseas because they're on the down slope. Not saying it's a likely thing, but if it was going to happen as a systemic thing, it'd be there.

That said, with gambling odds being extremely public, it's hard to see how something big could go unnoticed. Enough weird line movements and folks are gonna start piecing it together. Refs at least get a bit of obfuscation by not reffing the same team 82 games.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think the corrupt refs are so open about it it’s priced in at this point hahaha

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

TenementFunster posted:

e: lol and that one city in NJ(?) where half of NBA refs all live in the same house and sleep together in one big bed

that would be a fun Copland type movie. cast Gerard Butler as the leader of like, ref internal affairs

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


euphronius posted:

maybe but you be surprised how much the point guards on even the worst teams makes

for example Marcus smart is earning 18 million this year

Rude

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Azathoth posted:

It'd have to be a vet at the end of their career, the kind of guy who gets minutes because someone's gotta get them but knows that after their current contract is over, they're gonna have to go overseas because they're on the down slope. Not saying it's a likely thing, but if it was going to happen as a systemic thing, it'd be there.

That said, with gambling odds being extremely public, it's hard to see how something big could go unnoticed. Enough weird line movements and folks are gonna start piecing it together. Refs at least get a bit of obfuscation by not reffing the same team 82 games.

the thing is that we'd only notice lines moving identifiably at sharp books. the type of volume DK, FD, and them are handling, >96% of the action is gonna be from people who don't even know how to follow ref matchups, so the lines won't move noticeably, if at all. if the fixers are even a little patient with how they conduct their business (obvly not a guarantee since it would be run by techbro gamblers) it could be multiple seasons before even the sharp books notice, and if the only people who help them fix games are players who are immediately out of the league it'll be even harder to spot

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

I love sports betting because I’m a winner and making hella ducats :homebrew:

happyhalloween23_5
Oct 31, 2023
who did it slower?



versus

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

friend made $200 off Embiid not getting rebounds.

It’s here to stay

happyhalloween23_5
Oct 31, 2023
monopoly money :homebrew:

a new study bible!
Feb 2, 2009



BIG DICK NICK
A Philadelphia Legend
Fly Eagles Fly


I’m excited for the good vibes Sixers tbh and I think they’ll be better off without Harden.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

fellas is james harden retarded?

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1719444167569580219

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1719503526643061223

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

he is. but that apology moreso

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

I apologize for calling James Harden retarded. We actually had to put my retard cousin out to pasture last year. My heart goes out to the retard community.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


buy him an account

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Poppers posted:

I apologize for calling James Harden retarded. We actually had to put my retard cousin out to pasture last year. My heart goes out to the retard community.

Lmfao my god

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Poppers posted:

I apologize for calling James Harden retarded. We actually had to put my retard cousin out to pasture last year. My heart goes out to the retard community.

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022

Poppers posted:

I apologize for calling James Harden retarded. We actually had to put my retard cousin out to pasture last year. My heart goes out to the retard community.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I’m excited for the start of the nba season

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

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