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So just literally "I have no business running a business of any size. I don't have the faintest clue even of what I'm [i]supposed[\i] to be doing."
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The Bible posted:So just literally "I have no business running a business of any size. I don't have the faintest clue even of what I'm [i]supposed[\i] to be doing." I believe this to be a true and honest statement about Don Jr
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"Listen I just sign random papers to look busy until it's time to go shoot an endangered animal in the face"
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banned from Starbucks posted:"Listen I just sign random papers to look busy until it's time to go shoot an endangered animal in the face" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEkHA3isi00
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The Bible posted:So just literally "I have no business running a business of any size. I don't have the faintest clue even of what I'm [i]supposed[\i] to be doing." Doesn’t seem like a viable defense to get out of a 250 million dollar fine does it? Like, at the end of the day he signed the papers and submitted them. Stupidity? Contempt? Utterly misplaced and overwhelming sense of self confidence? Surely Chris “3 million dollar retainer” Kise had ideas on coaching some kind of passable theory? “Yes, I have a degree from a prestigious school and we studied GAAP but dude, I got stuff to do, places to go, I can’t be having that!”
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OgNar posted:So Jr today claims today on the allegations that he signed documents that inflated Dons worth by $2 bil that he just signed things that CPAs put in front of him, and he had no idea what he was signing. drat, the Trump's found that one simple trick to avoid being culpable for financial crimes.
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haveblue posted:Can you use an insanity defense in a civil suit? Asking for a friend I don't think a corporation or other business can avoid liability via an insanity plea. So the most a hypothetical situation where Donnie lets himself look bad would gain is avoiding personal penalties. Trump Org is hosed no matter what.
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Even if "I was too incompetent to carry out my obligations in this role and too stupid to even be aware of them" somehow works as a defense wouldn't that just mean poo poo flows uphill, as it were? Like it would necessarily then fall on the shoulders of whoever put him in that role when he was so manifestly unsuited for it because they in turn utterly failed in their duties to ensure comportment with the law? (I'm sure the actual answer is "lol, you idiot, you rube, you actually think the law is structured to expose the highest ranks of a corporation to risk?" But you know) Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Nov 2, 2023 10:02
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Is there a good podcast explaining and making high level fun of this stuff, like we had for the Alex Jones trial and depositions?
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Murgos posted:Doesn’t seem like a viable defense to get out of a 250 million dollar fine does it? Like, at the end of the day he signed the papers and submitted them.
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Would an incompetence defense help with damages though? "I'm an idiot" obviously doesn't get you out of liability, but it makes logical sense to me that it would be a lesser penalty than "I'm intentionally defrauding people." No clue if the law works that way though.
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hopefully we get a clip of "i'm too dumb to know how a business works" that will play on repeat leading to election day
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I can’t imagine trump having enough room in his ego to try and say he’s too stupid and out of his depth to know what he was signing
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Scratch Monkey posted:I can’t imagine trump having enough room in his ego to try and say he’s too stupid and out of his depth to know what he was signing I'm looking forward to finding out how this was all the best fraud. The greatest fraud. Some are saying it was so perfect that actually the banks owe Trump money.
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Accountants right out of central casting are running up with tears in their eyes
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haveblue posted:Accountants right out of central casting are running up with tears in their eyes Aren't the accountants the ones being thrown under the bus right now?
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Clarste posted:Aren't the accountants the ones being thrown under the bus right now? You don't understand just how perfect and huge his fraud was
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Clarste posted:Aren't the accountants the ones being thrown under the bus right now? That explains the tears.
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ahhh, it's the looooong con in 2023-2024, Trump scares off any and all accountants from ever working with him. Then in 2025, he's arrested for tax evasion because he doesn't keep receipts.
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Justice should probably hire a proofreaderquote:Yesterday, the Court conducted a hearing on the defendants’ motion to adjourn trial, in which defendant Trump claimed that trial in this matter should be delayed in part because “[t]he March 4, 2024 trial date in the District of Columbia, and the underlying schedule in that case, currently require President Trump and his lawyers to be in two places at once.” ECF 167 at 1. Defendant Trump’s counsel reiterated that argument during the hearing yesterday. However, defendant Trump’s counsel failed to disclose at the hearing that they were planning to file – and yesterday evening did file the attached motion to stay the proceedings in the District of Columbia until their motion to dismiss the indictment based on presidential immunity is “fully resolved.” As the Government argued to the Court yesterday, the trial date in the District of Columbia case should not be a determinative factor in the Court’s decision whether to modify the dates in this matter. Defendant Trump’s actions in the hours following the hearing in this case illustrate the point and confirm his overriding interest in delaying both trials at any cost. This Court should allow itself to be manipulated in this fashion. ETA: Ynglaur posted:I know MeidasTouch is frowned on as leftist grifters by some goons, but the Legal AF podcast describes it in layperson terms. 
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EasilyConfused posted:Would an incompetence defense help with damages though? "I'm an idiot" obviously doesn't get you out of liability, but it makes logical sense to me that it would be a lesser penalty than "I'm intentionally defrauding people." Generally from what I know of tax regs, “reckless” conduct (where you should have known) tends to still be treated very close to willful conduct when it comes to civil penalties; not knowing what you’re doing isn’t really a defense for something this basic (not like most people here aren’t grasping that wildly different valuations of property are bad without accounting knowledge). And even if the accountant did screw up, “you still owe the money” is a long standing precedent anyway.
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Are there rules for how judges should interpret that kind of mistake, or do they just get to Calvinball it?
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VictualSquid posted:Is there a good podcast explaining and making high level fun of this stuff, like we had for the Alex Jones trial and depositions? Legal eagle (on YouTube, maybe a podcast?) Opening arguments (podcast) Serious Trouble (podcast)
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VictualSquid posted:Is there a good podcast explaining and making high level fun of this stuff, like we had for the Alex Jones trial and depositions? Allison Gill (Mueller She Wrote) has 2 podcasts, "Cleanup on Aisle 45" and "Jack" which cover general Trump things and also the Special Counsel stuff specifically. People have differing opinions on her, but the podcasts also have Andy McCabe and Peter Strzok as co-hosts, and they generally know what they are talking about and balance her out.
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cr0y posted:Legal eagle (on YouTube, maybe a podcast?) I would probably scratch OA from that list, due to the whole "host outed as a sexpest and creep to the point where his cohost left" thing
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EasilyConfused posted:Would an incompetence defense help with damages though? "I'm an idiot" obviously doesn't get you out of liability, but it makes logical sense to me that it would be a lesser penalty than "I'm intentionally defrauding people."
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This is floating around today. Eric is still in court now though. Sounds like he will also be blaming everything on the accountants. https://twitter.com/PopularLiberal/status/1720114322628620525
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Scratch Monkey posted:I can’t imagine trump having enough room in his ego to try and say he’s too stupid and out of his depth to know what he was signing At some point, I could. Without cameras and stuff. Didn't he do similarly in the 90s? Like the thing about Trump is that while he's never been a criminal mastermind and has always been more lucky than anything else, my understanding is that for most of the 90s an earlier aughts he was a more competent criminal. The ravages of age and untreated and overindulged clinical narcissism have dulled a lot of the criminal instincts and low cunning that once helped him, plus he used to be something of a small fish in a big pond while the last 6 years or so have made him a target in a way he wasn't before.
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OgNar posted:This is floating around today. So they are all gonna pass the blame until it gets to Trump where he's just going to brazenly lie his rear end off and say he didn't direct anyone to do anything. Feels like their whole legal strategy revolves around trying to convince a jury that it's "probably" not the Trump family at fault when in reality the judge who holds the power already stated they are less than trustworthy or whatever polite way Engoron said "You are all lying fucks".
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Sounds like Donald Trump really did a terrible job raising his kids. Someone should ask him about it
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Madkal posted:Sounds like Donald Trump really did a terrible job raising his kids. Someone should ask him about it What do you mean? He gives good brain.
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Donald Trump appears to be offering judge Cannon a seat on the Supreme Court going by his most recent Truth post. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nonsense posted:Donald Trump appears to be offering judge Cannon a seat on the Supreme Court going by his most recent Truth post. Fake.
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Paracaidas posted:I don't know that anyone would say leftist Not leftist as in they are leftists who grift, but leftist in the sense that they grift off leftists, I presume.
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gregday posted:Fake. He is so brazenly corrupt I would not put it past him to just post it like that.
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Nonsense posted:Donald Trump appears to be offering judge Cannon a seat on the Supreme Court going by his most recent Truth post. gregday posted:Fake. Could either of you guys do the minimum amount of work and post the evidence of what you're talking about?
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Fart Amplifier posted:Could either of you guys do the minimum amount of work and post the evidence of what you're talking about?  Because you asked so nicely.
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Nonsense posted:
There is far too much  needed to determine if a batshit crazy Trump post is real or fake.
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Nonsense posted:
Did you get that from this guy who admits it's made up? https://twitter.com/Maltaplication/status/1719783809984675932?t=thGXPuNhjoKPRjOmK9_WEA&s=19
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Retro42 posted:There is far too much Trump will try anything to escape justice.
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