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Tunicate posted:Though I also remember a Macbeth version It was actually Agustus' stepson (Tiberius) who married Agrippa's daughter. It was a happy marriage, until Augustus forced them to divorce so that Tiberius could marry Augustus' daughter (who was Agrippa's widow). If you ever wonder why Tiberius became such a hosed up lecherous rear end in a top hat later in life, imagine you had to leave your hot young wife to marry your slutty stepsister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yFJNaR7Yjw&t=140s
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Hey boss, looks like our kids are gonna get hitched.
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This scene is all one take btw. I Claudius is so gd good
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zoux posted:I'd probably be pretty disillusioned if I got sent back in time to End of Republic Rome, bunch of 5'1'' dirty guys going "weenie weenie weenie" constantly. And they'd probably call me a barbarian! Just find a bunch of Italian guys who have gotten in so many fistfights they can't tell clockwise from counterclockwise anymore.
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Zopotantor posted:imagine you had to leave your hot young wife to marry your slutty stepsister. Sounds like modern porn...
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Tulip posted:Just find a bunch of Italian guys who have gotten in so many fistfights they can't tell clockwise from counterclockwise anymore. Calico storico
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Crab Dad posted:Sounds like modern porn... Succurre mihi, frater! Adhæsit sum
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FeculentWizardTits posted:Succurre mihi, frater! Adhæsit sum Huh turns out I speak porno latin
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Tulip posted:Just find a bunch of Italian guys who have gotten in so many fistfights they can't tell clockwise from counterclockwise anymore. heus ego hic ambulo!
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Someone in the SAL discussion thread told me this might be a good place to ask how to translate a simple phrase into Latin? Like ancient Roman Latin? Who here knows Latin?
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If it's about incest porn we got you covered
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Classical Roman Latin or medieval church Latin (I speak neither, that's what Google translate is for, word nerds)
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I. M. Gei posted:Someone in the SAL discussion thread told me this might be a good place to ask how to translate a simple phrase into Latin? Like ancient Roman Latin? it probably means "I'm gonna skullfuck you" the irrumabo quote
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always seen it as face-gently caress
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Yeah, irrumo is the act of putting your dick in a person’s mouth We don’t really have a word for it in english where oral is always received unless we say things like face-gently caress. The vast majority of the time you’d say « they went down on me » From what I understand this distinction would be very important to romans. For us it’s kinda the opposite, it’s much more macho to brag that they did it to you voluntarily because you’re such a stud Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 2, 2023 |
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Irrumabo circuitu, et investiga.Hieronymous Alloy posted:Classical Roman Latin or medieval church Latin Classical Roman. Google Translate is apparently poo poo at Latin. That's why I came here to double-check my work.
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Lol it was about face loving
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whoa E: if you are wondering what it says, it seems to say "facefuck around, find out" but in, like, fridge-poetry syntax. I think you'd want to start with something closer to "discover" than "investigate" for the "find out" and you'd definitely want to use something more like "recklessly" or "carelessly" when looking for the "around" bit. Something like "facefuck recklessly, and discover" is what might sound a little better when translated but I'm not a Roman. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Nov 2, 2023 |
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That's not the phrase I wanted to translate. That's just a thing I typed into Google Translate to see what it would spit out. The actual phrase is more along the lines of a "Never forget [DATE]" thing, but I'd kinda rather ask about it over PM than post the actual phrase publicly. Any takers?
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If it’s Never forget January 6th go away.
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It's not.
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Post the date lol
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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FAUXTON posted:maybe it's March 15th If you must know, it's March 20th, which I'm pretty sure in Roman math is "ante diem tertium decium Kalenas Apriles" or "a.d. xiii Kal. Apr." or something like that. Mostly I'm wondering whether to put the "anno domini/A.D." before or after the year number, and how to say "never forget" in the imperative tense without an implied first-person "I will..." in front of it or some poo poo.
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I. M. Gei posted:If you must know, it's March 20th, which I'm pretty sure in Roman math is "ante diem tertium decium Kalenas Apriles" or "a.d. xiii Kal. Apr." or something like that. "numquam obliviscere" might fit.
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Zopotantor posted:"numquam obliviscere" might fit. Is it "numquam" or "nunquam"? Wikipedia thinks it's "nunquam" with two 'n's, but for some reason Google Translate takes it both ways. Wikipedia also thinks the second word is "obliviscar" but doesn't indicate if that's in a particular tense or not, but when I type "nunquam obliviscar" into Google Translate going Latin to English, it shows "I will never forget" instead of just "never forget". That's why I'm wondering about the tense. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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euphronius posted:Sam and Frodo were not the same age, did not grow up together. They were way different classes in a really classist society (the white ) It’s not a good comparison. Agrippa was never Octavians servant I agree, which is why it is more accurate to say Agrippa is Kircheis to Octavian's Reinhard
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I think most modern people don't really understand Rome very much had an aristocracy and was nowhere near a meritocratic society. Being the trusted right-hand-man of Octavian was probably far more than Agrippa could have ever hoped for, from the sound of it, and while everyone loves the stories of dramatic betrayals and general Starscreamery of Roman society, not hard to imagine some people are perfectly happy serving an emperor who they personally like and respect, especially given Octavian's competence, and iirc that he was not a great military leader but knew it and knew how to delegate.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think most modern people don't really understand Rome very much had an aristocracy and was nowhere near a meritocratic society. Being the trusted right-hand-man of Octavian was probably far more than Agrippa could have ever hoped for, from the sound of it, and while everyone loves the stories of dramatic betrayals and general Starscreamery of Roman society, not hard to imagine some people are perfectly happy serving an emperor who they personally like and respect, especially given Octavian's competence, and iirc that he was not a great military leader but knew it and knew how to delegate. Yeah, modern people (in the sense of post-Revolution) tend to misinterpret monarchy and aristocracy as naturally going together. But the late Roman republic was as aristocratic as it gets. The Caesars were seen as tyrants precisely because they interfered with that. Between Sulla‘s retirement and Caesar’s civil war there were 61 consuls elected. Of those, 54 came from families that had previously held the consulship, and only 1 came from non-senatorial background (Cicero). This DID change over time and eventually it became possible for new men, then knights, then literally anyone (male) at all to ascend to the aristocracy and the top of the political pyramid. But it took a long time and many, many civil wars and purges of existing aristocrats to get there.
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zoux posted:From our modern perspective, would you say Caesar was a hero or villain Modern perspective he was part of a giant slave owning society that placed little value on human life. There are no hero and villains of the time period.
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zoux posted:From our modern perspective, and ignoring Shakespeare, would you say Caesar was a hero or villain? He's some of both, but mostly heroic. He was trying to save the Republic (which was already beyond saving), while simultaneously glorifying himself and amassing power. Fundamentally, he was too good at playing the political and social system the Romans had constructed.
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Heroes and villains are attributes of stories, not of true events. But it would not take much distortion to frame him as either.
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As always, your take on a historical figure like Caesar also depends on whose perspective you take. He comes off as a very different figure if you look at him from the point of view of the thousands and thousands of non-combatant Gauls he massacred during his campaigns which were, among other things, also very much motivated by his own political ambitions. He was unusually brutal even when considered against the Roman standards of the time, which is also kinda interesting because he literally wrote the book on his exploits - he is often the only historical source we have of the Gallic wars.
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zoux posted:From our modern perspective, and ignoring Shakespeare, would you say Caesar was a hero or villain? didn't he kill/enslave literally a million gauls
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zoux posted:From our modern perspective, and ignoring Shakespeare, would you say Caesar was a hero or villain? From a modern perspective, he was a down-on-his-luck aristocrat who got his wealth and glory back by doing a genocide and then launched a brutal civil war E: Vercingetorix was a freedom fighter and Caesar deserved the fate that Vercingetorix got. And also the fate Caesar got tbf Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Freedom fighter lmao.
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I. M. Gei posted:Is it "numquam" or "nunquam"? Wikipedia thinks it's "nunquam" with two 'n's, but for some reason Google Translate takes it both ways. I don’t remember ever seeing "nunquam". The verb "to forget" is one of those weird "deponent" ones that are always in the passive voice. The infinitive is "oblivisci", "obliviscere" is imperative. https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.en.php?verb=oblivisci
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Caesar was certainly a hero in the contemporary sense, a noble warlord descended from the gods and deified in death. Modern moral judgments need not apply: killing a million people only makes you unheroic in the post-Christ world (that Caesar and his successors directly enabled). Heracles went insane and murdered his wife and kids, didn’t stop people from worshiping him. Caesar was obviously considered a figure of enormous moral complexity even in his own time. He literally divided opinion to the point of civil war. Romans didn’t know how to judge him until he was dead—at which time their highest institution of government promptly concluded that everything he did was legal, but also his murder was not a crime. Both/neither imo. Edgar Allen Ho posted:From a modern perspective, he was a down-on-his-luck aristocrat who got his wealth and glory back by doing a genocide and then launched a brutal civil war Vercingetorix was also down-on-his-luck aristocrat. In his case he didn’t get his wealth and glory back, because he lost. We also know virtually nothing about Vercingetorix that wasn’t written by Caesar himself. skasion fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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