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They're goofy and safe comic book melodramas, and while I treasure that kind of nonsense and swallow it all like the gormless hog American that I am, they're not exactly much more than "entertaining, if you like this sort of thing." Contrast with, for instance, The Boys, a comic book superhero story which actually has difficult and compelling things to talk about, and which it does more artfully and more affectingly than nearly anything Marvel has ever done.
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Soonmot posted:wandavision and ms marvel are bad tv shows? I was talking about Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion, but sure, I don’t think any of them is a particularly easy or interesting ask for your average punter.
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Wandavision has the Nightmare Before Christmas problem where they had to being in another, more evil character to distract the audience from the fact that Wanda is the bad guy. If Agatha hadn't shown up to drain Wanda of her witch juice that town would still be trapped in sitcom hell.
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8one6 posted:Wandavision has the Nightmare Before Christmas problem where they had to being in another, more evil character to distract the audience from the fact that Wanda is the bad guy. If Agatha hadn't shown up to drain Wanda of her witch juice that town would still be trapped in sitcom hell. That still could have worked if they had examined it for two seconds, but no, had to have a sympathetic character absolve her with a line. I liked Wandavsion except for the ending.
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Jamesman posted:Edit: I think it's just Capitalism Fatigue. Has nothing to do with superheroes. I'm just so tired of everything. A dash of this and a dash of not regularly going to theaters since the pandemic. I still enjoy most of the Marvel stuff (except for the travesty that was Secret Invasion) and I'm actually excited to see one version of The Marvels (the fun/comedy first trailer version). But I'm worried that Secret Invasion will rub off on it and it will also be more like the second trailer.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:That still could have worked if they had examined it for two seconds, but no, had to have a sympathetic character absolve her with a line. Pandemic also caused a bunch of stuff to be scrapped like the fight between the rabbit and the kids.
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Personally, I just hate theatres. All the ones near me are super depressing.
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I can't really speak to the general public's thinking on the issue, because I know I'm a freak, but I'm not sure I buy the "People aren't interested because they expect you to watch a gorillion million things before seeing it" logic. First of all, that makes it sound like you'd be completely lost otherwise, and most of the time they do at least a little "Here are our established characters/dynamics/concepts" dance. Marvel movies aren't exactly the LOTR trilogy. And while I'm sure the "clean your plate" mentality is a thing for certain people, I know for drat sure it's not the dominant case with videogames (sup Witcher 3), plus I don't think most people peeking in on long running stuff like Dr. Who or Star Trek or Star Wars or Law and Order or Batman or Godzilla feel compelled to 100% the rest of the franchise. Hell how would people ever start watching sports if that was some kind of iron clad law?
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OnimaruXLR posted:Hell how would people ever start watching sports if that was some kind of iron clad law? I do love the joke vids of people going "ok I just started watching football, when does it get good?" to B&W hand-cranked film of old games.
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I don't think it's Marvel specific burnout, though I do think that a lot of their recent output not being as good as people expect plays a part. I think it's that there are so many streaming services and movies and shows that it's fatigue for almost everything. Like it's hard to get people to go back to theaters now, so you almost have to make the movie an event.
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OnimaruXLR posted:I can't really speak to the general public's thinking on the issue, because I know I'm a freak, but I'm not sure I buy the "People aren't interested because they expect you to watch a gorillion million things before seeing it" logic. First of all, that makes it sound like you'd be completely lost otherwise, and most of the time they do at least a little "Here are our established characters/dynamics/concepts" dance. Marvel movies aren't exactly the LOTR trilogy. They're not. The movies would not have gotten as big if you truly needed to watch them all to get it all. All the relevant stuff will be contained within the movie to get everyone up to speed, like they've always done!
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OnimaruXLR posted:I can't really speak to the general public's thinking on the issue, because I know I'm a freak, but I'm not sure I buy the "People aren't interested because they expect you to watch a gorillion million things before seeing it" logic. First of all, that makes it sound like you'd be completely lost otherwise, and most of the time they do at least a little "Here are our established characters/dynamics/concepts" dance. Marvel movies aren't exactly the LOTR trilogy. I agree that it's not really reflective of how audiences at large think but I think people would say stuff like that less often if they at least felt the individual installments stood up well on their own. Which is questionable, both due to quality and how often plots just don't get resolved because they're setting up for future tie ins.
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I do think the perception that "You need to have seen all the movies and shows" might be a deterrent for some, even if not most. That's something positive word of mouth and good marketing can overcome, but Marvel has been lacking in both of late.
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I'm looking forward to watching The Marvels
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In much funnier news, apparently Nic Cage actually filmed his Flash cameo and.... they uh dumped it and used bad cgi instead lololol https://www.ign.com/articles/nicolas-cage-criticises-superman-cameo-in-the-flash-i-did-not-do-that
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mycot posted:I agree that it's not really reflective of how audiences at large think but I think people would say stuff like that less often if they at least felt the individual installments stood up well on their own. Which is questionable, both due to quality and how often plots just don't get resolved because they're setting up for future tie ins. glitchwraith posted:I do think the perception that "You need to have seen all the movies and shows" might be a deterrent for some, even if not most. That's something positive word of mouth and good marketing can overcome, but Marvel has been lacking in both of late. But now? All the movies are stuck on Disney+ and never appear on other services anymore, especially Netflix, which is the closest thing to endless cable TV reruns these days. And speaking of cable TV, they never show any of the movies newer than Endgame, plus cable TV is not what it was 10-15 years ago anyway. There are more movies than ever, and also the TV shows, which don't get anywhere near the promotion a theatrical movie gets, don't show up anywhere but Disney+, and are 4-8 hours long, which means they take a lot longer to watch than movies. So all that adds up to a mountain of content that the audience might feel they missed out on, and it's less dispersed and more siloed than ever, ultimately reducing the potential audience that wants to see new movies in the theater.
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I wish we could get the data on the amount people putting "Marvel" as a hobby on dating app bios over time.
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Who else is going tonight? https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1550998958385704960
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Lol what they're gonna announce? Blade going to have to sneak in with a tkt
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Who else is going tonight? That tweet was from July 2022 so if Variety is to be believed the movie they're tweeting about contains almost no Blade.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Who else is going tonight? Even the title card is half-finished.
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Bruceski posted:Even the title card is half-finished. There's about as much Blade on that title card as there was in that cancelled script. 
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Here's my pitch for Blade Opens literally a recreation of the opening of 90s Blade. A woman takes a dude to a rave, but its a vampire Rave, Blade shows up and fucks poo poo up, but in this he's looking for a specific vampire. He finds them, but while he's going "where is the mcguffin!??" another Vamp comes up behind him, and before Blade can react, BOOM not more Vamp as Elsa Bloodstone is there going "I see we were looking for the same thing" and they team up. They're after Baron Blood, and he's out there somewhere, and he's looking for something that clearly would be bad for humans. Eventually they find out Blood is looking for something that Hydra brought to NYC at some point, but where the Hydra warehouse is has been lost, but Blood is hunting it down. Eventually they find the Hydra stuff, and they discover, its Omega Red! Blood gets there and releases Omega Red and Blade and Elsa fight them, they take out Blood but Omega Red gets away. They realize that there's something more going on, and they decide they need to get some help, and here comes the Midnight Suns! Post credits shows Blood's hench vampire meeting someone and telling them of their failure and its Dracula!
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Have it come out in October and go full on with it, have him fight Dracula E: but like, good Opopanax fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Nov 4, 2023 |
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He should kill a bunch of vampires in the blood rave and it should play this song while he does it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE3XSYQjwuM
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Just rerelease the original Blade in theaters it’d probably make 50m+ its opening weekend and everybody would be happy
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One way or another, Blade actors always have an eye-opening experience.
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Lobok posted:One way or another, Blade actors always have an eye-opening experience. 
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SlimGoodbody posted:He should kill a bunch of vampires in the blood rave and it should play this song while he does it: I'd have a hard floor remix of a newer New Order song. Like the vampire driving the guy to the blood rave at the start would be another porn star turned mainstream actor.
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Given that The Marvels is tracking below The Flash, at a certain point, they got to take this Fergie guy out back and Of Mice and Men him.
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The MCU is in DIRE straits at the moment. I've always thought that their big "in case of emergency, break glass" movie would be Avengers Vs. X-Men but I don't know if they'll make it to that. Feige screwed the pooch on Phase 4 and 5 it seems.
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Lol yeah this will be the one that finally sinks them 
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CzarChasm posted:Relationship status: Really loving complicated Loki: Bold New Frontiers in Onanism
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Mr Hootington posted:Is marvels out? Next week Or I guess this week. The 10th
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This is probably a big spoiler, but could also mean nothing, so read at your own risk if you want to go in blind. The official press kit sent out to the media for The Marvels today was leaked. It includes a list of credits and these entries are listed on the music credits: 
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They're also heavily promoting a final trailer tonight during football, with the ad being all about incursions.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is probably a big spoiler, but could also mean nothing, so read at your own risk if you want to go in blind.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well at the end of the Ms Marvel show they did give us the X-Men animated theme when I think someone calls her a mutant, so that wouldn’t be out of place here Yeah, that was the "it could mean nothing" situation. It could just be something like that.
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