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tiaz posted:h/t to The_Franz over in GBS:
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they'll get some slap on the wrist suspended sentence and go back to russia for a hero's welcome
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Cugel the Clever posted:Hopefully they'll be recognized as unlawful combatants and spend the rest of their lives in orange jumpsuits. Your grasp of legal matters basically qualifies you to be on Trump's legal team.
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tiaz posted:h/t to The_Franz over in GBS: quote:Nassridinov responded that “Ukrainians alleged that they’re being bombed from parts from there [the U.S. manufacturer], maybe that’s why they started investigating everything?” Goltsev responded that, “we need to figure out why they keep holding the package ... I don’t really understand how they figured [it] out.” In a subsequent message, on or about November 9, 2022, Goltsev commented that, “in the future we will need to load from several companies, not to attract attention ... for now large packages will be dangerous until we understand what they figured out ... we will need to think of diversifying the load ... so that not everything is not moving from the same deck.” In a February 23, 2023 message, Nasriddinov wrote to Goltsev, “Happy Defender of the Fatherland,” referring to the holiday in Russia and parts of the former Soviet Union celebrating those who served in the armed forces. Goltsev responded, “happy holiday to you too my friend, we are defending it in the way that we can [smile emoji].” 
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So what would be the scale of potential legal consequences for this kind of thing, if you're found guilty of it? I would assume it would be pretty brutal.
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PurpleXVI posted:So what would be the scale of potential legal consequences for this kind of thing, if you're found guilty of it? I would assume it would be pretty brutal. probably a violation of several US Codes simultaneously, depending on whether Russia is declared an enemy of the United States. They're definitely under an export sanction, and the fines and penalties are steep for that kinda poo poo. https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oee/penalties posted:Violations of the Export Administration Regulations, 15 C.F.R. Parts 730-774 (EAR) may be subject to both criminal and administrative penalties. Under the Export Control Reform Act of 2018 (50 U.S.C. §§ 4801-4852) (ECRA), criminal penalties can include up to 20 years of imprisonment and up to $1 million in fines per violation, or both. Administrative monetary penalties can reach up to $300,000 per violation or twice the value of the transaction, whichever is greater. In general, the administrative monetary penalty maximum is adjusted for inflation annually.
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PurpleXVI posted:So what would be the scale of potential legal consequences for this kind of thing, if you're found guilty of it? I would assume it would be pretty brutal. Felonies with actual prison time in a real prison and a sentence that wouldn't be suspended.
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PurpleXVI posted:So what would be the scale of potential legal consequences for this kind of thing, if you're found guilty of it? I would assume it would be pretty brutal. Export/IEEPA sentences are honestly pretty lax. Usually massive fines/forfeiture of illicit gains, loss of business licenses, being put on a BIS denied persons/SDN list and maybe a couple years in jail. If they tack on something more substantial like agent of a foreign power (which isn't even that much more substantial, honestly), they won't get any more than that. Most Russian-linked proliferation agents in the U.S. just lose their U.S. based assets and just go back to Russia after a year or two in jail.
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Antigravitas posted:Ukrainian personnel has been training on these (to my surprise): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Amphibious_Rig A.o.D. posted:oh wow, those are really cool. I'd never heard of them before. it's like an amazing playset, but adult-sized
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And now, for something lighter. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1720494956698022213
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A bit more substantive: https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1720836724211831034#m (No idea about the boat, note that the Ukrainian text in the image in the tweet doesn't mention it either)
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The supposed target was a missile corvette, so blowing it up before winter might save a few daycare centres, power stations and blocks of flats. Still, it can be replaced, at least in theory, by similar vessels from other fleets, because it's just about the maximum size to fit through the Russian river canal system. 
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:The supposed target was a missile corvette, so blowing it up before winter might save a few daycare centres, power stations and blocks of flats. What's the minimum draft of that system, though? Edit a quick wiki check suggests that parts of that waterway are less than the 3.3 meters required for the Karakut class. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Nov 5, 2023 |
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Wiki says the Muskova's current draft is approximately 50m.
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Blistex posted:Wiki says the Muskova's current draft is approximately 50m. 5
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Blistex posted:Wiki says the Muskova's current draft is approximately 50m. i doubt russia has that many men left they didnt during the great patriotic war
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Alan Smithee posted:i doubt russia has that many men left Metres, not millions.
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A.o.D. posted:What's the minimum draft of that system, though? They seem to be short enough that dredging should be feasible. It's a completely different question whether the Russian navy would agree to do a domestic re-enactment of the Baltic fleet of 1904. 
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Yeah that’s not how canals work. They’re not getting a replacement down there.
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MrAmazing posted:Metres, not millions. laid end to end yeah i can see that
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FrozenVent posted:Yeah that’s not how canals work. They’re not getting a replacement down there. Sure they will 
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FrozenVent posted:Yeah that’s not how canals work. They’re not getting a replacement down there. According to Wiki they're building those at Zelenodolsk (next to Kazan on the map above your post).
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:According to Wiki they're building those at Zelenodolsk (next to Kazan on the map above your post). They also drilled this sort of scenario last year, albeit between the Baltic and White sea.
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https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1721608116431667212 Looks like there's now visual confirmation of that Russian ship getting blasted by Ukrainian missiles. That's one ship that's looking pretty hosed up.
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Alan Smithee posted:nothing a little Russian resourcefulness can't fix Do you have any idea how many turnips that'll take to fix?
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TK-42-1 posted:it’ll buff out the side fell off
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1721608116431667212 Wasn't this a brand new ship as well? Like it had never launched any missiles at real targets yet?
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MH Knights posted:Wasn't this a brand new ship as well? Like it had never launched any missiles at real targets yet? It's supposedly the Karakurt-class corvette "Askold," which was launched in 2021, so it might well have taken some shots at Ukraine, but reasonably new. In other new news: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1721812897557369248 quote:Russian military bloggers apparently noticed a Ukrainian BTR-4E crossing the Dnieper yesterday to join the foothold established in Krynky, on the left bank. They are saying this is the first sighting of heavy vehicles in the area. If they're starting to get supported by actual armor, I think we can consider the Ukrainian crossing of the Dnieper not just a nuisance but an actual threat to the Russians in eastern Kherson oblast.
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PurpleXVI posted:It's supposedly the Karakurt-class corvette "Askold," which was launched in 2021, so it might well have taken some shots at Ukraine, but reasonably new. FWIW I don't think it was actually commissioned yet, so unlikely to have done anything (and now never will).
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I think it's quite nice how quickly Russians will post BDA for us.
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PurpleXVI posted:In other new news:
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ngl, I would not want to use a BTR-4 as a ferry. Seems to me they are just slowly increasing pressure to be a credible nuisance.
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Antigravitas posted:ngl, I would not want to use a BTR-4 as a ferry. Russia has been completely unable to create momentum. Being a credible nuisance in enough places seems likely to bear fruit.
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There's a major highway from Oleshky to Crimea, if the Ukrainians can expand their foothold across the Dneiper they could start moving in that direction instead of the extremely difficult push to Tokmak.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1722225647752540351quote:The Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine (#GUR) has claimed responsibility for the assassination of the Russia-backed LNR “People’s Council” member and former separatist army head Mikhail Filiponenko in #Luhansk. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1722215175997231369 quote:‘This Will Happen to Every Traitor’: Ukraine Confirms #Partisans Blew Up #LNR Militia Head Sometimes it really feels like the GUR is operating with near-complete impunity. I wonder if it's a sign of how good they are, how bad the Russian security apparatus is or how many people are worn out, disloyal and willing to help the GUR for a few bucks. Probably some combination of all three.
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