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Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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sullat posted:

Or a USS Cole scenario where a speedboat zips out from some tiny harbor and tries to ram an expensive ship while the crew is too busy checking their Instagram or Tinder to evade

Yeah, this is probably better

“My god, that’s an old PT boat!”

“Sir, we can’t lock on, there’s almost no metal to it!”

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Optical Inch
Oct 26, 2002

Soiled Meat
I have to admit that the level of gaslighting going on is maki g me feel some anxiety

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Uncle Wemus posted:

Malcolm Nonce



depicting the jew as the snake guy i see,. mods?

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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Optical Inch posted:

I have to admit that the level of gaslighting going on is maki g me feel some anxiety

Just remember, dti, dta

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008

Optical Inch posted:

I have to admit that the level of gaslighting going on is maki g me feel some anxiety

understandable but i do think the backlash to israel is getting through to the public

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Canned Sunshine posted:

Frosted Flake can probably speak much more to this, but I think one of the areas of concern for carrier strike groups has been getting swarmed by missiles and/or drones.

Yeah, the carrier itself has some type of active protection and so do its escorts, but there are limits to the number of concurrent targets they can take and how quickly they can transition.

I know about coastal artillery, and naval gunfire support, a bit about naval gunnery, but the equation sort of changed in the missile age. The idea now is to not get shot at at all, if you can help it. Being detected is bad, being engaged is worse, so ideally neither happens.

Countermeasures are mostly focussed on preventing those two things, and after that are the missile interceptors, CIWS and chaff/flare.

Also, none of the theories of missile age sea combat have ever been tested in combat at least on a larger scale than a handful of engagements involving single ships.

Guess whose the first ship sunk by a missile was?



In 1955 the UK sold Zealous to Israel, which commissioned her into the Israeli Navy as INS Eilat (after the Israeli southern coastal city of Eilat, replacing the earlier INS Eilat) in July 1956. On the morning of 31 October, in the midst of the Suez Crisis, the Egyptian destroyer Ibrahim el Awal (an ex-British Hunt class destroyer) shelled Haifa harbour. A counter-attack by the French destroyer Kersaint and by the Israeli Yaffo and Eilat forced the Egyptian destroyer to steam back towards Port Said. It was then also attacked by a pair of IDF/AF Ouragans and a Dakota. The crew of the badly damaged vessel finally capitulated, and the Israelis towed the ship to Haifa; it later became the Haifa in the Israeli Navy.

On a patrol during the night of 11–12 July 1967, Eilat and two Israeli torpedo-boats encountered two Egyptian torpedo-boats off the Rumani coast. They immediately engaged the vessels and sank both.

In an early event in the War of Attrition, Eilat was sunk on 21 October 1967 in Mediterranean international waters off Port Said in the Sinai, hit by three Soviet-made Styx missiles launched by Egyptian missile boats. An Egyptian Komar-class missile boat positioned within the harbour at Port Said fired two missiles at the Israeli destroyer. Eilat's radar did not reveal any suspicious activity or movements because the Egyptians launched the missiles from within the port. Eilat's captain ordered evasive action when the missiles were detected, but the first missile hit the ship just above the waterline at 5:32 p.m. Two minutes later the second missile struck, causing additional casualties. While Eilat began to list heavily, the crew tended to the wounded and engaged in rescue and repair operations while waiting for additional ships of the Israeli Navy to come to their rescue. Approximately one hour later another Egyptian Komar-class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at Eilat. The third missile hit Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed or missing and 90–100 were wounded.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 00:52 on Nov 3, 2023

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Is that a missile in the picture?

looks like irans shiny new cruise missile

https://themedialine.org/by-region/irans-new-paveh-missile-can-reach-israel-but-is-not-a-game-changer-experts-say/

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Confined waters make it harder to hide ships, and easier to engage them, so it's a bit hubristic, but par the course for the USN I suppose.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Chillgamesh posted:

depicting the jew as the snake guy i see,. mods?

That's not a Jew, it's an Israeli.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

titty_baby_ posted:

I did some research and it seems most of the European jews can be traced back to a few families who left the middle east and then married locals in italy/France

Its like the US equivalent of joining the Cherokee nation because your 1/64th on your moms side

doing this type of thing is a bad look

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
yeah leave the genetic profiling to the fascists

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Father Wendigo posted:

Is it :burger: posting to post U.S. Intelligence officials announcing they're going to do a false flag?

Asking for a friend.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

bad shoot imo

its pretty on brand regardless of the nationality in this case

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Regarde Aduck posted:

yeah leave the genetic profiling to the fascists

anything blood quantum is literal fascist poo poo so yea

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

HiroProtagonist posted:

anything blood quantum is literal fascist poo poo so yea

lotta tribes on notice

Hammerstein
May 6, 2005

YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !
Hillary is so disgustingly evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbY37F0cmI

Hammerstein has issued a correction as of 01:10 on Nov 3, 2023

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

Cuttlefush posted:

lotta tribes on notice

The point of doing blood quantum is so that the tribes eventually disappear.

Turdfuzz
Jul 23, 2008


sure wish i could say i feel validated being a bernie bro during 2016 but, uh...

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

Cuttlefush posted:

lotta tribes on notice

It was originally something that was imposed on the tribes to ultimately eliminate them, and it presently creates perverse incentives for tribal governments to purge their rolls whatever way they can, to deny benefits to their members, so yeah, tribal governments like the ones AIM fought at Wounded Knee probably should be on notice.

(It's also just not how nations have ever worked, does anybody think that the genes of modern Hungarians are mostly those of the tribes that came off the steppes? Or that the genes of the present day French are mostly Frankish?)

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30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

Death By The Blues posted:

Islamic Resistance in Iraq claiming a new stage/expansion of their war against American/Zionists will be more "severe and widespread"

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1720212672237404178

Eyyyy! There's Thursday!

So Friday has got to be Hezbollah. Maybe it won't actually represent a real qualitative change in what they're doing, but Hezbollah is going to announce they're getting into the war tomorrow.

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020
Not to give MSNBC credit for anything, but this does seem like a good sign:

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1720179318872064240

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Turdfuzz posted:

sure wish i could say i feel validated being a bernie bro during 2016 but, uh...

:smith:

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Yeah I just don't think the United States is going to let Israel dragon into a regional war. I think people are right and there's a good chance there will be a ceasefire announce tomorrow and Israel will claim victory as they normally do and try to continue the status quo. But I really don't think that is possible at this point

Like anyone knew that comes to the country is going to know that Israel got forced into a ceasefire agreement that was not agreeable with them. The next thing is even after a ceasefire, there's still starvation and dehydration rampantly occurring in Gaza, they're going to have to resume the taps. And when they do so they will completely lose their mandate on violence against the Palestinian people.

And I don't need mandate like it's a good thing. It sounds like one after reading my text, but mandate as in the world was completely okay with them just killing and killing and killing and pushing the fence back closer to the sea over and over again. Now I don't think that they're going to have such a level of support. Especially for what could be even small " mowing the lawn " actions as they call them.

Blarghalt
May 19, 2010

Sancho Banana posted:

Straight in the dumpster. The funds were either horribly mismanaged or straight up embezzled, probably a combination of the two. Reservists have been complaining since the start of the war that they don't have all the equipment they need - body armor, helmets, everything. Big donation centers got set up by civilians all over the country to get soldiers what they need because the military can't do that on its own. poo poo's hosed.

how do i put this: Israel's military-industrial complex has always struck me as if what if America's military-industrial complex was a multi-level marketer

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Pomeroy posted:

Not to give MSNBC credit for anything, but this does seem like a good sign:

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1720179318872064240

burger be damned: lol i cant believe this is on msnbc

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1720214341062906313

Morbus
May 18, 2004

tangy yet delightful posted:

"yes" probably in some capacity, but to be pedantic a missile has post-launch guidance in some form but a rocket does not. My guess is that's a rocket that can be targeted based on amount of fuel loaded or an engine timer cutoff if it's not a solid fuel rocket, and then of course by raising/lowering the launcher to get the right angle.

It looks similar to the Yemeni variants of the Iranian Quds missile (or a ground launched variant of the Ya-Ali ALCM). That's a turbojet engine on it, usually a copy of the Czech TJ-100 or similar, but that one looks maybe smaller, hard to tell scale.

These low cost cruise missiles have guidance systems, with ranges of several hundred km. Missiles like this were used to hit Saudi oil refineries back in 2019.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017




:munch:

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Cuttlefush posted:

lotta tribes on notice

blood quantum is genocidal poo poo imposed on us from outside and I don't actually like having a card from the US government in my pocket that lists out exactly how 'Indian' I am

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

the people who hate blood quantums have thin, weak bloodlines

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Calibanibal posted:

the people who hate blood quantums have thin, weak bloodlines

my blood is thick and soupy

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/magnxsium/status/1720075563115921619

Less than 14 hours till we see if Nasrullah meant it or not

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

The Oldest Man posted:

my blood is thick and soupy

I got that beef stew blood

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Calibanibal posted:

the people who hate blood quantums have thin, weak bloodlines

the blood quantum of solace

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Yeah I just don't think the United States is going to let Israel dragon into a regional war. I think people are right and there's a good chance there will be a ceasefire announce tomorrow and Israel will claim victory as they normally do and try to continue the status quo. But I really don't think that is possible at this point

Like anyone knew that comes to the country is going to know that Israel got forced into a ceasefire agreement that was not agreeable with them. The next thing is even after a ceasefire, there's still starvation and dehydration rampantly occurring in Gaza, they're going to have to resume the taps. And when they do so they will completely lose their mandate on violence against the Palestinian people.

And I don't need mandate like it's a good thing. It sounds like one after reading my text, but mandate as in the world was completely okay with them just killing and killing and killing and pushing the fence back closer to the sea over and over again. Now I don't think that they're going to have such a level of support. Especially for what could be even small " mowing the lawn " actions as they call them.

i mean either they leave tanks and troops in Gaza or they don’t. if they do Hamas is going to keep exploding and killing then respectively. if they don’t then they really obviously lost and there will be no way to spin that.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



PawParole posted:

Less than 14 hours till we see if Nasrullah meant it or not


ok the translations coming thru

"The determination, strength, and presence of the resistance are fortified be calcium and vitamin D? Drink your Ovaltine?"

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

Blarghalt posted:

how do i put this: Israel's military-industrial complex has always struck me as if what if America's military-industrial complex was a multi-level marketer

I mean, if you need an indication of how absurdly corrupt and stupid the zionist entity is, Netanyahu's wife was caught having her staff buy large quantities of wine with government money, dump it in the sink, and then turn in the bottles for the CRV, in the saddest government embezzlement scandal I've ever heard of.

(in case anyone thinks this is joke: https://www.timesofisrael.com/pms-wife-accused-of-pocketing-thousands-in-bottle-refunds/)

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30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

Pomeroy posted:

I mean, if you need an indication of how absurdly corrupt and stupid the zionist entity is, Netanyahu's wife was caught having her staff buy large quantities of wine with government money, dump it in the sink, and then turn in the bottles for the CRV, in the saddest government embezzlement scandal I've ever heard of.

w.... why not get soda? you'd get more bottles....

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

i mean either they leave tanks and troops in Gaza or they don’t. if they do Hamas is going to keep exploding and killing then respectively. if they don’t then they really obviously lost and there will be no way to spin that.

just remake the mission accomplished photo

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

30.5 Days posted:

w.... why not get soda? you'd get more bottles....

I misremembered slightly, it wasn't just wine:

Times of Isn'treal posted:

He also said that the residence began ordering more small bottles of mineral water, which can be redeemed, instead of the large bottles, which cannot be exchanged for money. The small bottles cost the state more.

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The US probably doesn't want a larger war, but they really can't rein in the Israelis either. They are still using the "pause" line because Israel's ground forces probably do need a break including reinforcements, and whatever aid is going to be allowed in is minimal; it helps more than it hurts them.

Otherwise, it very well may be too late for a real ceasefire, as it sounds like a lot of movement has been already occurred, and if Israel is forced on the defensive...why let up?

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