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The Top G posted:Getting “doored” is one of the worst ways to crash, and this greatly reduces the impact of that type of collision. Also gives you a chance to bail if an oncoming car is veering into the bike lane. It’s dangerous, it’s bad, there are no upsides. Also I’m curious how you think you can “brace for impact.”
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cat botherer posted:Don’t ride the wrong way ffs i also dislike salmoning as said before, but in terms of bracing when you see it happening you can tilt/learn/steer/bail towards a safer direction when one exists — i understand the inclination that this is safer for the cyclist, but I think the unpredictability of the cyclists direction of travel for all others far outweighs that benefit, which is more of a fringe. if you crash into another cyclist, you are far more likely to end up pushed or pushing into incredibly dangerous directions which counteracts the bracing argument.
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Nov 2, 2023 20:40
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scooter folks are the worst for all this bullshit. just completely incapable of sharing bike lanes or anything with them
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Nov 2, 2023 20:46
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Unlike walking/running, if you're biking against traffic I don't think you're realistically going to be able to do something to get out of the way so I don't really see some sort of theoretical safety advantage from salmoning, and I've never heard of people specifically biking against traffic for safety reasons Usually people go the wrong way because they're biking on one way streets or streets with a bike lane that only goes the wrong way or whatever which is still potentially dangerous but at least has a logical reason
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Nov 2, 2023 20:47
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Or because going to the right side involves crossing a road with cars that will kill you. I am occasionally guilty of a half block in the wrong direction for that reason
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Nov 2, 2023 21:24
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cat botherer posted:Also I’m curious how you think you can “brace for impact.”
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I usually get off my bike and push it across busy intersections anyway, if just so I have the cushion of being a pedestrian if/when I get run over instead of being another one of those scofflaw cyclists who deserve to die. Didn’t work for Elaine Herzberg, murdered by Uber in Phoenix. They focused on the bike even though she was walking it. Nitrousoxide posted:I know some people swear by biking in the opposite direction of traffic. But doesn't that mainly reduce reaction time for drivers and increase the relative impact speed if you do get into a collision while not meaningfully changing your ability to avoid collisions? Yeah and more importantly, drivers aren’t conditioned to look for wrong-way traffic. Platystemon has issued a correction as of 22:12 on Nov 2, 2023 |
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I usually get off my bike and push it across busy intersections anyway, if just so I have the cushion of being a pedestrian if/when I get run over instead of being another one of those scofflaw cyclists who deserve to die.
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Nov 2, 2023 22:31
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more crossing guards perhaps?
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Nov 2, 2023 23:06
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make car doors alarmed all the time. want to open your door? pull the handle, deafen the neighborhood for 5 seconds, then the locks disengage
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Nov 2, 2023 23:10
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corona familiar posted:make car doors alarmed all the time. want to open your door? pull the handle, deafen the neighborhood for 5 seconds, then the locks disengage is that not how it works now?
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Nov 2, 2023 23:53
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Mauser posted:Are you talking about DC? I wouldn't ride on sidewalks if I had any other choice. My friend got hit by cars twice doing this when he was first learning city riding. Yes DC. My current strategy is waiting for the pedestrian light. I've started going on the road if it's a stretch of something I'm familiar with (so like, a decent chunk of 18th north of Mass Ave, but until I feel comfortable with my uphill handling (working on it!) I want to give myself the extra padding of "if I am going to lose my balance (and at-worst) fall at least it won't be into traffic" All of that to say, cars bad!
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BonHair posted:Or because going to the right side involves crossing a road with cars that will kill you. I am occasionally guilty of a half block in the wrong direction for that reason Don't ride on the footpath. It's for pedestrians. Don't ride on the wrong side of the road. You're a hazard to anyone going the correct direction. Don't ride the wrong way along one-way streets. No one is expecting to see you coming and you are a danger to yourself and others.
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Nov 3, 2023 05:23
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Counterpoint: "lanes" and directions of travel are car brained inventions and should not be applied to non-automobiles.
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I don't ride counterflow to traffic - if I'm on the "wrong side" of the road, I get off my bike and walk, on the sidewalk if one is available if it's a particularly dicey intersection, I again convert myself into a pedestrian and cross with other pedestrians if there's a car stopped ahead of me, I check if it's clear to pass on the left with a wide enough distance to avoid getting door'ed. If there isn't, I stop and wait for the car to move. If it doesn't look like the car is going anywhere soon, I stop and get off the bike and pass on foot to the right, using the sidewalk if one is available. ___ I'm not saying any of this as prescriptions, or as a means to keep one safe(r); I'm just sharing my personal approach. I'm well aware crossing a road while walking my bike might still get me killed anyway because it doesn't matter if the driver is looking at their phone.
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Nov 3, 2023 05:54
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I could've driven to the laser light show... but I rode the bus 
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Counterpoint: "lanes" and directions of travel are car brained inventions and should not be applied to non-automobiles. In a study of the ancient traffic system of Pompeii, Eric Poehler was able to show that drivers of carts drove in the middle of the road whenever possible. This was the case even on roads wide enough for two lanes. The wear marks on the kerbstones, however, prove that when there were two lanes of traffic, and the volume of traffic made it necessary to divide the lanes, the drivers always drove on the right-hand side.
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Grassy Knowles posted:In a study of the ancient traffic system of Pompeii, Eric Poehler was able to show that drivers of carts drove in the middle of the road whenever possible. This was the case even on roads wide enough for two lanes. The wear marks on the kerbstones, however, prove that when there were two lanes of traffic, and the volume of traffic made it necessary to divide the lanes, the drivers always drove on the right-hand side. yeah but where did they park all the chariots
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smarxist posted:more cars with those parachute things they can deploy, imo grate deceiver posted:oh yeah, then how do you explain this the sex ghost posted:I have never read a single book and will never read any articles or theory. What is the accepted lefty position on car ownership and private transport in general. Is it submitting an application to the department of motor vehicles outlining why you need a car and getting one loaned to you on a case by case basis. Would the state be responsible for the maintenance of said vehicles. Will I get to have a go in a Yugo because that would be extremely cool. The practical position is probably something like Dutch model infra coupled to heavy PT subsidies (as opposed to the franchise/competitive systems most euro countries have), and internalizing the private vehicle ownership externalities. the sex ghost posted:I like cars but I also like public transport. Not sure of the best way to start reducing the number of privately owned cars but a good place to start would be to make the driving test more difficult and make people retake it every couple of years or so 57001 posted:My current strategy is waiting for the pedestrian light. I've started going on the road if it's a stretch of something I'm familiar with (so like, a decent chunk of 18th north of Mass Ave, but until I feel comfortable with my uphill handling (working on it!) I want to give myself the extra padding of "if I am going to lose my balance (and at-worst) fall at least it won't be into traffic" evil_bunnY has issued a correction as of 11:23 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Most of the people I see riding bikes around here are obviously new and having a really hard time (wobbling all over the place, barely moving faster than walking, getting a third of the way up a hill before dismounting, etc.). It's probably not safe for them to follow the law until they're better riders, and I suspect that if they were forced off the sidewalk they'd just give up on riding altogether.
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57001 posted:Yes DC. My current strategy is waiting for the pedestrian light. I've started going on the road if it's a stretch of something I'm familiar with (so like, a decent chunk of 18th north of Mass Ave, but until I feel comfortable with my uphill handling (working on it!) I want to give myself the extra padding of "if I am going to lose my balance (and at-worst) fall at least it won't be into traffic" I've ridden around there, that's where the weed shop is! I'm actually meeting my friend down there this weekend to do a little two day ride from DC to Antietam and back. If you need some practice riding, the C&O canal is great and accessible from the city by bike.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Most of the people I see riding bikes around here are obviously new and having a really hard time. It's probably not safe for them to follow the law until they're better riders.
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cat botherer posted:Don’t ride the wrong way ffs I’m riding along, I see an approaching car veering into my bike lane, I steer/jump/bail out of the way. Maybe it works, maybe not but least I have a chance to react VS: I’m riding along, a car behind me piloted by an unobservant driver veers into my bike lane and runs me over. Personally I’m nervous every time a car passes me from behind, all it takes is for a side mirror to tap the handlebars to cause a bad crash. I’m a little surprised to see the faith that people here have in their local motorists not running them over. As for no upsides: false, not being able to get “doored” is a huge upside.
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The Top G posted:I’m riding along, I see an approaching car veering into my bike lane, I steer/jump/bail out of the way. Maybe it works, maybe not but least I have a chance to react Or is this something you've never had to do but you're just concerned with a hypothetical situation where you can tell that a car is heading right for you? mystes has issued a correction as of 13:45 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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The Top G posted:I’m riding along, I see an approaching car veering into my bike lane, I steer/jump/bail out of the way. Maybe it works, maybe not but least I have a chance to react Frankly, this sounds like the sort of thing a person who won't wear a seatbelt because they're afraid of getting trapped if their car goes into a lake would say. You're making 99.9% of your rides more dangerous to avoid one really specific scenario.
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Tiggum posted:It's also not safe for them to be on the footpath around pedestrians. Fortunately there is no shortage of places you can take a bike to practice until you're comfortable riding on the road. It's perfectly legal to ride on the sidewalk here and I do it all the time because the alternative is riding in the road with cars doing 40+ mph. Cope and seethe.
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if i'm riding on the sidewalk i'm not going fast enough to not be able to stop or give a pedestrian the right of way
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If you're worried about cars creaming you from behind (heh) then get a mirror for your bike or helmet, so you can see behind.
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The Top G posted:I’m riding along, I see an approaching car veering into my bike lane, I steer/jump/bail out of the way. Maybe it works, maybe not but least I have a chance to react The other thing you are talking about is drivers veering into you. That's not a common type of crash. Left/right hooks are more common. Still, let's look at that scenario: Say you are doing 15 mph in the bike lane, and the driver is doing 35. If you are riding on the correct side of the road, the relative speed is (35 - 15) = 20 mph. If you are riding the wrong way, it's (35 + 15) = 50. Your reaction time is not that good. And getting hit with a relative speed of 20 mph is survivable. 50 is not. Besides that, cyclists rarely get hit from behind. The great majority are left/right hooks. And you're making those MUCH more likely because people aren't expecting traffic to be coming the wrong way. cat botherer has issued a correction as of 14:25 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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So when a cyclist comes down the bike lane going the right way, straight towards you, you...?
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I had a 20/25mph car veer across the yellow line on a gentle curve and start to come straight at me riding the other way and the only thing I was able to do was scream, "WHAT THE gently caress?" at the top of my lungs. Luckily, that piece of poo poo looked up from his phone long enough to avoid smashing into me and also lucky that he kept driving because I was as angry as I've ever been in my life
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FuturePerfect VideoGames posted:So when a cyclist comes down the bike lane going the right way, straight towards you, you...? get jousted off your bike by my cane
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Grassy Knowles posted:get jousted off your bike by my cane It's bad luck just seeing a thing like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQNI7q6ABnc&t=11s
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how nice of the cyclist to upgrade the driver’s iPhone
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The Maroon Hawk posted:how nice of the cyclist to upgrade the driver’s iPhone That’s the driver’s friend’s phone, Philistine.
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Lol
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Wrap it up automofailures, you're going extinct: I wanted to know who's getting one of those 9 parking spots but it's probably mostly Zipcar type things. Hah yeah, about that:  More driving-optimized interfaces for office productivity apps will solve this problem.
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FuturePerfect VideoGames posted:Wrap it up automofailures, you're going extinct: Always looking more options to stay connected. Thanks.
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They should also add a special mode in YouTube for recording boomer videos in your car with sunglasses on
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