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DancingShade posted:Malls, schools, buses, subways. They won’t take the workers, profits will suffer and McDonald’s will sue.
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if the usa was able to do press gangs or a draft, it would improve their chances at ww3 versus reality. but two key issues really confound this. the military industrial complex isnt structured such that filling numbers with draftees is viable and our political economy isnt structured where forcing people out of jobs and into the military is viable anymore. the usa military isnt structured to be able to make much use of draftees anymore, because that's not where the money is. the money is in replacing the simplest and easiest jobs with less reliable machines at great cost and those expensive machines can't be repaired or likely even operated by draftee labor at the scale required to cost justify the effort. and youre not going to have vans press ganging the local Subway employees, because the Subway employer is the one with political power. you're not going to have something like a vietnam style draft, because that would fundamentally raise the cost of labor. most likely you will see an expanse of the "diversion" programs where people can choose military service over prison time (and we've just started making homelessness a felony...) and the continued rise of PMC/"security" jobs as the only decent paying option for those that can stomach it.
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skooma512 posted:They won’t take the workers, profits will suffer and McDonald’s will sue. Nah, the other workers will just work twice as hard, or they'll pay them less, it's gonna be fine. Anyway there will be a whole quarter before McDonalds finds out, and then they have to go through the court system.
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skooma512 posted:They won’t take the workers, profits will suffer and McDonald’s will sue. McDonald's entire legal team are on the next bus to the frontline the moment they file suit.
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Trabisnikof posted:absolutely no way do we get a real draft again. maybe we’ll get some modern version of debtor’s prison or DUI -> Army diversions but no way are they doing a draft lottery or anything like that I lived in ND and now I live in Wisconsin, that’s the same thing as a draft
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https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/p/the-swedish-arms-industry it's funny how this is basically a pseudo-puff piece for sweden and then the guy posts this chart  like gee i wonder which companies are the most vulnerable to the us companies seeking to stay ahead of the impending economic recession also i learned that saab's motto is “it’s a human right to feel safe.” which is pretty incredible in terms of neolib poo poo out there edit: author gave the game away quote:In December 2021, Saab lost out on what could have been its largest ever deal when Finland announced Lockheed Martin as its supplier for fighter aircraft, choosing 64 F-35 As over 64 Gripens and 2 AWACs.57 Saab’s CEO has discussed the importance of seeming more “American” by moving production, research and marketing assets to the U.S., while retaining Saab’s role as the bedrock of Sweden’s national defense.58 Danann has issued a correction as of 03:35 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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The blameless one has put society to smithereens at this point. We paid a grip for “regular” size candies (1/4 the size of childhood bars and mostly made of wax etc). No kids came all night because nobody can afford to have a family LOL. Thank you B. Thank you squad!
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DancingShade posted:McDonald's entire legal team are on the next bus to the frontline the moment they file suit. lol who has more political power in the US than high paid lawyers likely from the upper class to order this? This idea of a press gang is way different than some politician encouraging Justice department goons to go kidnap hippies protestors since no one cares about the protestors. This would be against the wishes of people with real power like the finance industry. The military wouldn't even want to do this because the upper echelons are all careerist climbers aiming for their cushy defense industry jobs. We're a very long way from Curtis Lemay screaming about nuking commies at any chance he got. General Powerpoint is not dreaming of endless rows of marching imperial soldiers but their next convention at a golf resort. Lockheed wouldn't even want us fighting abroad with a large drafted force because that might encourage spending on practical arms that make less profit compared to high tech wonder weapons with a profit margin so large it can barely be computed. They also risk those weapons failing in a visible way. Even America getting attacked in 9/11 and the grand ambitions of the PNAC didn't make anyone want to rock the boat. War needed to be done cheap and easy. Bombing innocent people is Good and Moral because it maximizes spending without any of these problems.
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FuzzySlippers posted:lol who has more political power in the US than high paid lawyers likely from the upper class to order this? This idea of a press gang is way different than some politician encouraging Justice department goons to go kidnap hippies protestors since no one cares about the protestors. This would be against the wishes of people with real power like the finance industry. All you need is American brand Zelensky. There is no troublesome law that cannot be re-written, removed, suspended, replaced or outright ignored. Might makes right. "Oh but that could never happen here"
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If capitalist don't want to enforce the American hegemony then there simply won't be a dollar hegemony and their profits will disappear anyway. USA already deindustrialized. McDonalds has nobody to blame but itself for depending on real things, like labour, for profits instead of moving zeroes around in a spreadsheet.
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DancingShade posted:All you need is American brand Zelensky. There is no troublesome law that cannot be re-written, removed, suspended, replaced or outright ignored. Might makes right. Who would prop up an American Zelensky like we propped him up? Americans like to do everything abroad so it's risk free. This reminds me of the weird fantasies of liberals about being dominated by rural Trump voters driving into their suburbs. They forget Trump voters are dumb useless Americans just like them. Maybe they work themselves into some shithead cruelty occasionally but only if it's zero personal risk as mostly they just want to post.
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the american military isnt structured to make a draft feasible anymore, because the profits of the MIC mean that a labor heavy, equipment/services light force isn't politically feasible, because it isn't economically feasible for defense contractors under the control of privacy equity. america, as it stands, is unable to send in troops to do jungle patrols like vietnam, because it is more profitable to send in lovely rear end remote control robots that break down constantly. a world where the usa has a draft is so politically distinct from the current power dynamic as to fundamentally define a new era.
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in addition to how a draft is impossible because it doesn't serve the profit motive of the MIC; america got rid of the draft because the mutiny, fragging and sabotage nearly destroyed the military in vietnam (and there were entire formations that were, for all military purposes, destroyed because they could not be trusted or relied on to do absolutely anything) and there is even less reason for the american people to go along with a draft now than there was then
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atelier morgan posted:in addition to how a draft is impossible because it doesn't serve the profit motive of the MIC; america got rid of the draft because the mutiny, fragging and sabotage nearly destroyed the military in vietnam (and there were entire formations that were, for all military purposes, destroyed because they could not be trusted or relied on to do absolutely anything) and there is even less reason for the american people to go along with a draft now than there was then I've mentioned this before but this was the pact that Nixon forged with the country: it would stop tearing itself apart in exchange for the draft ending and never being implemented again. It was a halting of a threat of catastrophic national turmoil on the scale of FDR's first term, but handled from the right.
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Trabisnikof posted:america, as it stands, is unable to send in troops to do jungle patrols like vietnam, because it is more profitable to send in lovely rear end remote control robots that break down constantly. a world where the usa has a draft is so politically distinct from the current power dynamic as to fundamentally define a new era. It is interesting that people a decade or two ago worried robots would allow the US to wage proper wars without a concern for politically dangerous casualties. However, the useless grifters produced drones that are too expensive and lovely to do much of anything different than cruise missiles or manned aircraft already could. They can still bomb random people and cause mayhem but the limitations of air power remain. With how poorly the US recruits anymore it benefits from options that require less pilots but it's not transformative. Instead it seems like it's actually insurgent forces that have benefited from the development of drones. The US has always had aircraft to bomb and recon, but now insurgents can have an air force in a box doing those roles too. Hamas has been getting more effective use out of drones than Israel. I know the MIC wishes it could get unlimited contracts for robot soldiers, but that'd require some degree of competence so I guess they'll just have to be satisfied by unlimited contracts for boat ubers and such.
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Terminator T-800 by Lockheed Martin. It powers on, red eyes glowing, takes a step forwards menacingly. Then it immediately topples over and the skull smashes apart on the concrete floor, silicon and chips all stamped "Made In PRC" spill across the ground like a burst bag of boiled sweets.
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DancingShade posted:All you need is American brand Zelensky. There is no troublesome law that cannot be re-written, removed, suspended, replaced or outright ignored. Might makes right. You seem really confused about who owns the American government. The US state isn't an entity separate from the capitalist class. It is a tool of the capitalist class, the very instrument of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
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Orange Devil posted:You seem really confused about who owns the American government. The US state isn't an entity separate from the capitalist class. It is a tool of the capitalist class, the very instrument of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. If it helps think of it as a hostile corporate takeover. Seats on the board were not offered so the seats will be taken via other means.
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Orange Devil posted:Hostile takeover by whom? The Crimson Permanent Assurance.
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Draft is such a non realistic scenario in the US why even talk about it. I don't think a new 911 attack in the US can generate enough political will to get the draft going. What is there in the US bigger than WTC building, blowing up the superbowl? They can go ahead blowing up one of those new billionaires row central park super tall buildings and see who will care.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Draft is such a non realistic scenario in the US why even talk about it. I don't think a new 911 attack in the US can generate enough political will to get the draft going. What is there in the US bigger than WTC building, blowing up the superbowl? They can go ahead blowing up one of those new billionaires row central park super tall buildings and see who will care. Spiderman and SpongeBob Squarepants
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DancingShade posted:The Crimson Permanent Assurance.
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DancingShade posted:Terminator T-800 by Lockheed Martin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZq7fW6ftlU&t=40s
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MuadDib Atreides posted:The blameless one has put society to smithereens at this point. We paid a grip for “regular” size candies (1/4 the size of childhood bars and mostly made of wax etc). No kids came all night because nobody can afford to have a family LOL. Thank you B. Thank you squad! People with kids now only trick or treat in the choicest rich neighborhoods. I saw parents drive into the neighborhood to drop off their kids.
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Trabisnikof posted:the american military isnt structured to make a draft feasible anymore, because the profits of the MIC mean that a labor heavy, equipment/services light force isn't politically feasible, because it isn't economically feasible for defense contractors under the control of privacy equity.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:People with kids now only trick or treat in the choicest rich neighborhoods. I saw parents drive into the neighborhood to drop off their kids. people bring their kids to my neighborhood, which is fine, but i get annoyed by people followinig their kids around in the car. makes everything way more dangerous than it would be otherwise. just take a nice 20 minute walk ffs. the really rich neighborhood a mile away has the cops block the street every year lmao
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Yeah US is full of contradictions, it's going to need to resolve some of them if it wants to continue existing.
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Lostconfused posted:Yeah US is full of contradictions, it's going to need to resolve some of them if it wants to continue existing. I think rapid corncobbification is way more likely than contradictions getting resolved. The US has lots of internal natural resources and exploitable labor and can keep going even with its empire crumbling to dust, it'll just be wayyy shittier.
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https://twitter.com/NextNavy/status/1720212602088050853 nothing can possibly go wrong with cutting the coast guard
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/NextNavy/status/1720212602088050853 i dont normally dunk on twitter randos but  lmao
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/NextNavy/status/1720212602088050853 hey ff or someone, what is the role of the coast guard in the imperial order anyway? what’s the difference between a coast guard and a navy etc etc. idgi
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