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bike tory posted:It's not about the sample being so robust to begin with, it's about them identifying the difference between their sample and the actual population, and consequently how they shift the results of their poll. It's this, and because polling is done by for profit businesses their manipulations of the data is proprietary. My uni stats was enough to make me completely distrustful of the process as I just don't see these companies as uninterested third parties. To me, it's marketing using stats for legitimacy.
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Content to Hover posted:I just don't see these companies as uninterested third parties. To me, it's marketing using stats for legitimacy. This is true but the profit incentive isn't to distort the results. The news pollsters do it for marketing purposes because it generates interest and clicks and poo poo, so there's no incentice to distort results. The party pollsters are paid to be accurate because the parties need to know how they're doing, and the results get released or "leaked" when they show something that the party likes.
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bike tory posted:This is true but the profit incentive isn't to distort the results. The news pollsters do it for marketing purposes because it generates interest and clicks and poo poo, so there's no incentice to distort results. The party pollsters are paid to be accurate because the parties need to know how they're doing, and the results get released or "leaked" when they show something that the party likes. I think we basically agree. The profit incentive is to produce results your client can use. Opinion polling influences elections. Not every poll that is taken is released. Polls are usually via mobile phone or mobile/online. Heavy weighting is needed for the resulting data. So a company that does not provide a useful narrative isn't financially viable.
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exmarx posted:i'll be voting exclusively for waterfowl again 👍 ✅ 
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Fair warning, I'm keeping track of usernames and will be passing a list onto my Kea contacts. You're bringing it on yourselves.
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Oh does Bird of the Century use Single Transferable Vote? Very progressive.
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Phil Twyford tried to speak at the rally in support of Gaza this arvo and got booed and shouted off the stage.
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Ingrid leary the labour mp for dunedin didn't get booed off stage but there were plenty of heckles.
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Content to Hover posted:Fair warning, I'm keeping track of usernames and will be passing a list onto my Kea contacts. You're bringing it on yourselves. I serve the white wolf, your birds hold no fear for me
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I serve the white wolf, your birds hold no fear for me yes we know you love the devastation of native wildlife by domestic animals
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I don't know what's happening in this pic but Winnie looks v uncomfortable lol
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Some loving psychopaths were driving around, launching fireworks at the street cackling at the top of their lungs. Cool holiday letting anyone buy projectile explosives, love it.
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I fuckin hate fireworks now. Some rear end in a top hat/s in our neighbourhood buy them this time of year, then randomly for the next 6 months let one or two off between 10.30 and 2am. No one knows who it is or where exactly they are even doing it but it's enough to wake all the kids, dogs and anyone else around. I genuinely hope one of them blows their hands off or something.
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SirSamVimes posted:Some loving psychopaths were driving around, launching fireworks at the street cackling at the top of their lungs. Cool holiday letting anyone buy projectile explosives, love it. Some dumbasses let off a bunch at the rally today too, right after Phil Twyford got booed off the stage and the police had to come and save him from getting beaten up.
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What was Twyford saying that got him booed? Also gently caress celebrating that a king didn't die lol loving cucks
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i celebrate the death of a monarch the same way every true blue kiwi celebrates: excessive binge drinking
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One of them even landed in a bush next to me, but thankfully didn't explode.
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SirSamVimes posted:One of them even landed in a bush next to me, but thankfully didn't explode. a monarchy?
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klen dool posted:What was Twyford saying that got him booed? It wasn't like he said anything wrong, it was just the vibes of what he was saying were way too cautious and both sides-y. He failed to read the room and match the tenor of the other speeches, at a point where people are already rightly very angry over Labour's silence for the last four weeks. There were heckles from the moment he got up on stage and while he was setting out his credentials working at Oxfam and poo poo, but when he started talking about the conflict he opened by condemning Hamas first, then the IDF. Someone in the crowd shouted out "but do you condemn the occupation?" and that set people off. If anyone from Labour wants to speak they need to take a way more unequivocal stance on Palestinian statehood, probably open by calling it a genocide, and not mention Hamas.
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Gotcha, make sense, I probably could have guessed that lol
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bike tory posted:It wasn't like he said anything wrong, it was just the vibes of what he was saying were way too cautious and both sides-y. He failed to read the room and match the tenor of the other speeches, at a point where people are already rightly very angry over Labour's silence for the last four weeks. Yeah, I don't think he was booed for anything he actually said. But more as the Labour representative and Hipkins weak statements on it over the last week.
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So, the Pūteketeke just had a feature on Last Week Tonight. https://www.votethisbird.com/
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i haven't watched that but i assume it explained why there was a truck billboard parked on the south bank in london campaigning for the puteketeke last week?
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yes they advertised for it all over the world it's a good bird but gently caress seppos and big money interfering in our elections
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bike tory posted:yes they advertised for it all over the world i thought it was cute when i saw the billboard but now i'm getting angrier and angrier the more i think about it. this MF has like 10 million viewers or whatever, all americans with no concept of the nz bird situation in full. and what are they gonna do, disqualify the puteketeke? that's hosed too. the bird deserves a fair chance. this john oliver poo poo is giving me serious ringburn. right now my rear end is bruned.
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i'm not done. john oliver needs to stick to buying medical debt and ripping on evil poo poo. this bird vote is a good fair thing and he's loving it up. look at the site. other bird campaign leads are like schoolchildren and poo poo. he's like gavin newsom clotheslining that chinese youth on the b-ball court. this ain't cute. stick to nasal monologues about monsanto. gently caress with the GMO corn futures market or something not nz bird of the century. this is burning my rear end. this MF played "dick pants" in the love guru. go back to NBC community with this poo poo.
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he actually joked about that on his show. The winner last year got like 3500 votes. So this is absolutely going to work, it's not even really a competition anymore I'm in two minds about it though. The point is to raise awareness of conservation issues, and it'll certainly help with that. But also he's ruining the competition for a dumb joke, and raising awareness among a group of people who actually don't give a gently caress. He'd at least better drop a big donation on forest and bird afterwards or something.
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seppos just cannot stop themselves from interfering with an election. it's a cultural thing
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they ask for donations when you vote, so if he gets more people donating that's a good thing. which bird actually wins doesn't really matter, it's just for fun gently caress him for supporting israel though
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It's a sham bird election that let a bat win, and with the elevated stakes of "bird of the century", there's been no mention of the Black Robin, a bird that returned from the brink of death with just 5 remaining, all subsequent birds born of just a single breeding pair. Foreign interference doesn't really mean much.
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Drake no: actual elections Drake yes: bird elections
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come at me you show hosting bastard and bucky dude go vote for the black robin and get your JO buds to do it too. it's on the list. Also: is seppo new? Nobody ever called me that. I like it, even though I would consider John Oliver more of a pom than a seppo.
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Wafflecopper posted:which bird actually wins doesn't really matter, it's just for fun hosed if true
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I think if he wants to donate he should just do that and leave us and our sweet little competition alone
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i think it's okay to gently caress up a local competition but imo it would have been more polite to wait for a non-century year so that his fuckery was contained to only a single year.
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