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Obviously I'm not talking to you, we are of a mind on this subject. Only Outcomes! I am chiding The Modern Internet Leftist, as is my idiom.
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zoux posted:Yeah that's why the idea of school choice for special needs kids is a transparent lie. But the idea only evil people send their kids to private schools and only good people send their kids to public schools is a facile view of morality I would expect from a fundamentalist christian. Were your aunt and uncle evil? Did they become good people when they reenrolled their daughter? The grandmother (not related to me) that was paying for the school thinks she is personally in a battle against Satan, so maybe she's evil.
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Nov 2, 2023 20:22
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I guess maybe it's because I grew up hardcore evangelical so when I see the same behavior, attitudes, and opinions as the biggest bible thumpers I ever met, just from the other side of the political spectrum - it's just fundamentalism based on a different set of morals. While there are definitely people who loving suck, I don't think that good and evil are useful framing terms, and it used to be axiomatic on the left that people were a result of their circumstances. But I guess that self-righteousness just hits too good. Personally I don't think we have much of a say in how we end up at all, that even things we think are free choices are being influenced by past experiences and whatever variance heredity accounts for. And yeah I don't always live up to that standard in my own personal thoughts and statements, but no one is born good or evil, or if they have the sort of personality disorder that would make them behave in ways that we would consider "evil", it's not really their fault. It's all chance. https://twitter.com/jaspscherer/status/1720155419740414185 That's because he is in ISRAEL zoux fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 2, 2023 |
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Nov 2, 2023 20:35
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zoux posted:I guess maybe it's because I grew up hardcore evangelical so when I see the same behavior, attitudes, and opinions as the biggest bible thumpers I ever met, just from the other side of the political spectrum - it's just fundamentalism based on a different set of morals. While there are definitely people who loving suck, I don't think that good and evil are useful framing terms, and it used to be axiomatic on the left that people were a result of their circumstances. But I guess that self-righteousness just hits too good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_hxc1aJ0Io
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Nov 2, 2023 21:41
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lol crazy ex-girlfriend is a good show
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Nov 2, 2023 22:11
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Zoux did you go to Kinkaid in Houston, St. Marks in Dallas, or St Stephen's in Austin?
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Nov 2, 2023 22:29
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I’m from bryan mate
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Nov 2, 2023 22:43
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we made fun of his school already or one near it like a year ago I went to cornerstone which met in the new hope baptist building at new hope and old 183. the ashes of that school survive today as Summit in cedar park
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Nov 2, 2023 22:47
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only went from age 4-7 until I begged to go to public school. during my time there I got sent to the principal's office to be beaten eight times and I can still describe the circumstances of each one. that's probably not great
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Nov 2, 2023 22:48
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I went to various normal schools unlike you freaks
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Nov 3, 2023 00:00
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you laugh at me because I'm different,
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zoux posted:I’m from bryan mate why do u love private schools so much. A&M Consolidated leave some scars?
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It’s very funny they call the school district A&M
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Tangent off private schools, but there's a local charter school, Austin Discovery School, my wife wants us to consider in 5+ years when our son reaches elementary school because it's extremely gay...run by gays, lot of same-sex parents. But it has the second highest non-medical vaccine exemption rate in Travis County. Just dramatically higher than everywhere except Waldorf. Back on the subject - we need Texas public schools to become gayer and better funded, not less gay with less money, so I don't feel compelled to send my son to chicken pox school in half a decade.
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zoux posted:You a southern baptist or something. People send their kids to private schools because they want them to get a good education not because they are evil. Lol they don't want their kids going to school with "those people"
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Sab0921 posted:why do u love private schools so much. A&M Consolidated leave some scars? They were 4A we were 5A when i was there
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Lol they don't want their kids going to school with "those people" My only familiarity with private schools where I grew up was one K-8 Catholic school (in an area predominantly Baptist, very few Catholics) and then two K-12 super tiny evangelical private schools who preached against "our godless public schools" in rural Oklahoma. At debate tournaments, one of the schools (which had a mandatory debate curriculum) had students quoting the Bible and arguing in 2009 that homosexuality was still illegal. ...Which actually probably gets you pretty far in a career as a legislator. I don't think either cost a fortune, but at least the evangelical schools were only one step above homeschooling and living off the grid. Edit: Looked them up. The one I'm thinking of is permanently closed, and the other evangelical school is $933/mo. Which is a lot in rural Oklahoma. Mistaken Frisbee fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Nov 3, 2023 17:12
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i went to a k-12 private school in houston and I've got the emotional problems to prove it
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Mistaken Frisbee posted:Tangent off private schools, but there's a local charter school, Austin Discovery School, my wife wants us to consider in 5+ years when our son reaches elementary school because it's extremely gay...run by gays, lot of same-sex parents. But it has the second highest non-medical vaccine exemption rate in Travis County. Just dramatically higher than everywhere except Waldorf. conservagays???
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Sab0921 posted:conservagays??? I think anti-vaxx poo poo is just bipartisan in big cities like Austin. Too many new age health types in liberal communities.
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There's a weird confluence between some of the strongly held beliefs between super conservative idiots and super liberal idiots, one of which is the rejection of vaccines and a lot of undisputed science. Another thing they agree on is NIMBYism, and also the idea that the government shouldn't have any say on the things I say and do but the government should prevent others from saying and doing things I don't like Not surprised Austin, a tech hub, has both jokes fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Mistaken Frisbee posted:Tangent off private schools, but there's a local charter school, Austin Discovery School, my wife wants us to consider in 5+ years when our son reaches elementary school because it's extremely gay...run by gays, lot of same-sex parents. But it has the second highest non-medical vaccine exemption rate in Travis County. Just dramatically higher than everywhere except Waldorf. (this is not a condemnation of sending your kids to that particular school, I have no opinion on that, other than the antivax sentiment seems like a big ol' red flag to me. private and charter schools suck as a matter of public policy, but we should be capable of treating "what is best as a matter of public policy" and "what is best for my kid in the present circumstances" as separate problems) Mistaken Frisbee posted:Back on the subject - we need Texas public schools to become gayer and better funded, not less gay with less money, so I don't feel compelled to send my son to chicken pox school in half a decade. 
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They are both rebelling against a perceived to be evil authority figure. Conservatives are against big government. Crunchy moms are against science.
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charter schools vary widely but the problem is just that Abbott et al wants charter schools so they can divert funding towards religious schools/leaders, and also they're probably heavily lobbied by people who can make a TON of money from charter schools. whether the schools are good at educating kids or not is probably very random and some schools will just be the best education option in the area. i know in Dallas the best schools were private outside of the park cities and even then the park cities had Ursuline and friends for the super-rich kids I think I remember reading that Tim Dunn was pretty explicit about how that's the path to put Jesus in TX: divert funding to charter schools. I bet the second step would be to divert charter school funding towards christian schools first and let everyone else get the crumbs jokes fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Shifting money to bad schools isn't as relevant as sending money away from the schools that most humans have access to and have to meet more federal standards.Mistaken Frisbee posted:I think anti-vaxx poo poo is just bipartisan in big cities like Austin. Too many new age health types in liberal communities. Yeah before the pandemic hit, I thought new age weirdos might've been more common. Vaccines aren't "natural" you know? There were also conspiracy nuts, but there was a time conspiracies weren't really linked closely to either side of the popular political spectrum. These things can be pretty fluid politically. SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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A lot of tech people don't know a lot about vaccine/biomedical science but they do think they know things like statistics, systems, etc., so they'll huff their own farts and come to the conclusion that vaccines are not needed because <statistics> and <systems> are just as good as <thing I don't know anything about> A lot of crunchy people don't know a lot about anything but they do think they are in-tune with the natural way of things and social groupings, so they'll huff their own farts and come to the conclusion that vaccines are not needed because <naturalism> and <my community's facebook group> are just as good as <thing I don't know anything about> It's basically just egoism and self-aggrandizement and Dunning-Kruger poo poo
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Charter schools as a concept are bad and shouldn't exist because it is purely a ploy to divert public funding to private interest. Independent of this, a charter school or school system may or may not be good at achieving education outcomes for some or all of the population that the equivalent public school would be serving. It's usually worse, though, especially for special needs students.
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Sending your kid to a private school is like hiring your own private armed security. You may feel it is necessary, the existing system it replaces/supplements might be pretty lovely, and your own persona politics can be whatever they are; but ultimately it's a FYGM move that weakens social institutions for your own personal benefit and thus makes world a worse place overall. Also, yeah, if you are sending your kid to a private school in Austin you're gonna be surrounded by anti-vaxx nutjobs whose actions will put your own kids at increased risk.
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Private schools should be severely discouraged by something like having all funds that go towards them be matched to the public school system.
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LanceHunter posted:Sending your kid to a private school is like hiring your own private armed security. You may feel it is necessary, the existing system it replaces/supplements might be pretty lovely, and your own persona politics can be whatever they are; but ultimately it's a FYGM move that weakens social institutions for your own personal benefit and thus makes world a worse place overall. The decision calculus here becomes infinitely more complex when it is your own children and hard to boil down to FYGM. You want the best for your children and provide them the best platform to succeed, which may be a private school even though you know that investment in public schools is better for society as a whole. If I could afford to send my kids to elite private schools, I would. Unfortunately for them, they're stuck in HISD. Edit: what I mean to say is because I am a good person who is always able to work towards the common good of society, my children attend Houston public schools. Sab0921 fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Yall saw Wemby had 38/10 last night
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LanceHunter posted:Sending your kid to a private school is like hiring your own private armed security. You may feel it is necessary, the existing system it replaces/supplements might be pretty lovely, and your own persona politics can be whatever they are; but ultimately it's a FYGM move that weakens social institutions for your own personal benefit and thus makes world a worse place overall. also spending money on backup generators  if y'all want a good reason not to send your kids to charter schools, just look at salaries. i was horrified at how low they were compared to public schools and can imagine it's an imediment for getting quality candidates
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zoux posted:Yall saw Wemby had 38/10 last night Not only a good statline but the tape is so promising. A very good team had no answer for him
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My wife reasoned out that he'll be totally vaccinated then and safe from the 1 in 4 kids who aren't. The queer parent community is super super tempting, but even if we didn't catch anything, I'm not sure I want to be around that many anti-vaxxers at family school social events. FYI - here's the most recent data for exemptions. It goes by school district, but obviously charter schools are doing their own thing: https://www.dshs.texas.gov/sites/de...%20District.pdf. It does look like exemptions are going down though - Waldorf is at 38% as of 2021-2022 - it was at 46% in 2018-2019. This school was at 23% in 2021-2022, was at 35% in 2018-2019. I actually had a better experience with charter schools when I used to enroll teens in foster care in school a decade back. The local public school (which tended to have lower income students) openly despised our facility (because our kids impacted their drop-out rates) and actively put up bureaucratic barriers to prevent our students from enrolling (illegal, but good luck enforcing the law). In this case, the charter schools advertised themselves more as credit recovery schools...so really different targeted demographic and purpose. The solution obviously isn't to replace public schools with charters, but I get how someone would come out of that experience being pro-charter schools because they actually helped our kids and the assigned public school sent every message possible to these kids that they weren't welcome. Ideally I want my kid (and future kids) in public school, but considering how hostile the state government is to LGBTQ families and how "Heather Has Two Mommies" is basically decried as pornographic now, I'm a little worried on how our family will be treated. I also know there's so much variation school-to-school in Austin. Mistaken Frisbee fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 3, 2023 |
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Dameius posted:Charter schools as a concept are bad and shouldn't exist because it is purely a ploy to divert public funding to private interest. Independent of this, a charter school or school system may or may not be good at achieving education outcomes for some or all of the population that the equivalent public school would be serving. It's usually worse, though, especially for special needs students. Additionally it removes democratic control of the school system. In New Orleans, all the schools are charter schools. We vote on the school board, but the school board has almost zero power (unless they vote to pull a charter, which they never do). The charter boards are appointed by the "founder" of the school, and when there are openings, the remaining board members appoint the new member. So now all our schools are run by rich white people and the mostly black populace has no say in how they're run.
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Finally, something in Texas sports worth paying attention to. https://twitter.com/sportsguy839303/status/1720226722971628030
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"This media has been disabled in response to a report by the copyright owner." i agree the only good thing worth watching in texas sports
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Mistaken Frisbee posted:I actually had a better experience with charter schools when I used to enroll teens in foster care in school a decade back. The local public school (which tended to have lower income students) openly despised our facility (because our kids impacted their drop-out rates) and actively put up bureaucratic barriers to prevent our students from enrolling (illegal, but good luck enforcing the law). In this case, the charter schools advertised themselves more as credit recovery schools...so really different targeted demographic and purpose. The solution obviously isn't to replace public schools with charters, but I get how someone would come out of that experience being pro-charter schools because they actually helped our kids and the assigned public school sent every message possible to these kids that they weren't welcome. That is part of the joy of public schools having completely different accountability from either charters or private schools (which have basically none). It also comes with real consequences, see the state now running HISD. In some counties, they will try and push all kids from facilities like that into one particular district if they have multiple, usually the same one that has the JJAEP. It is completely unsurprising that any sort of extra accountability with “school choice” was immediately shut down too.
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