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prayer group
May 31, 2011

$#$%^&@@*!!!
You can bring down the cost on a Vitamix significantly by buying used on eBay. That's what I did, no regrets at all.

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BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



If you think you might make stock often, get a pressure cooker. It also makes beans and polenta like a champ!

Stovetop generally better than electric, for searing and for longevity.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Decline posted:

A newly minted home cook here. Really enjoying it and wish I had started much earlier in life. Having a blast expanding my repertoire and trying new things. Would love some recommendations on the following pieces of equipment:

- Blender.
- Food processor
- Stainless steel pot/pan essentials. Could use advice on putting together the essential line up.
- Nonstick for eggs

Nthing cheap nonsticks. I get mine from Ikea.

I have a food processor attachment for my stick blender, it's jank, but I don't do anything that has historically required the full grunt of a stand blender, and it cuts down on one fewer appliance. Would put it on the level of a mini chopper.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Nov 3, 2023

Sextro
Aug 23, 2014

Having a vitamix at home and using blendtecs at multiple jobs...I'd take the vitamix by a mile. It handles small blends better, makes smoother smoothies and handles thicc stuff significantly better.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Steve Yun posted:


- Stainless steel pot/pan essentials.
Anything that is tri-ply or “multiclad” will work great. If possible I would recommend ones that have flared rims for spill proof pouring. And look for comfortable handles
Bring a refrigerator magnet when you go shopping. You want the magnet to stick to the pot. Otherwise, it won't work with the induction stove you will probably be using at some point in the future.

hypnophant
Oct 19, 2012

Decline posted:

Any size recommendations on the pots/pans? From what I understand I will want to make sure that I have a sauté pan, stock pot, and skillet. Is it worth having a 10" and 12" skillet? The array of saute pan sizes a little bewildering.

What size stock pot is recommended if I cook a lot of pasta but also would like to actually make some stock in the future?

Appreciate this!

At minimum, a 12" tri-ply skillet, 8" non-stick, 8 qt stock pot, and 2 or 3 qt saucepan. it depends what you like to cook - 12" is big enough for 4 cuts of meat which is handy if you're cooking for a family, meal prepping, or if you just want to have leftovers, or you can do one-pot meals, braises, etc. If you mostly use it for searing get the shallow sides, if you do more saucy stuff you may prefer the taller straight sides. If you never cook more than two cuts of steak, 10" is fine. You probably don't need both, the 8" non-stick is big enough for eggs and fish but can also back you up on the rare occasion you need more than one skillet.

An 8qt stockpot is plenty big for making a normal household amount of stock with like a chicken carcass or ham bone or equivalent amount of bones. 6qt is a little tight once you get the veg in there. I would definitely not spend the money to get a tri-ply stockpot unless you are making very delicate consommes or something. It's total overkill for normal stock.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

hypnophant posted:

and 2 or 3 qt saucepan.

Go for 3. I can’t count how many times I got frustrated when I had a 2 qt saucepan

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

Decline posted:

- Stainless steel pot/pan essentials. Could use advice on putting together the essential line up.

Getting a 4 qt saute pan was life changing for me.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I should probably use my sautee pans when I sautee. For some reason I always reach for the skillets first and use the sautees as secondary skillets

JoshGuitar
Oct 25, 2005

Steve Yun posted:

I should probably use my sautee pans when I sautee. For some reason I always reach for the skillets first and use the sautees as secondary skillets

Weirdly, a saute pan is way harder to "toss" food in than a skillet.

The 8 quart stock pot a few people mentioned is great for soup, pasta, and stock in everyday amounts. I personally prefer a triple ply/multiclad here, so I have more even heat distribution if I'm sauteing aromatics or whatever to start off a batch of soup. I really prefer a triple ply or at least thicker bottom :wiggle: on most cookware.

For my needs, I like having a second stock pot that's 16 quarts or bigger. I usually pressure can my stock, and a canner load is 7 quarts. You can't make anywhere near that much stock at a time in an 8 quart pot because of all the solids. The bigass stock pot is the only one where I'm ok with with a thin bottom, since 99% of the time it's just for making stock, or boiling a bunch of pasta to feed a group or whatever. Nothing where scorching or uneven heat distribution is much of an issue. So you can kinda cheap out here, as long as the handles seem sturdy.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





I'm in the middle of upgrading from gas to induction and a lot of my current stuff that is all 10+ years old is not going to work. I'm pretty much only getting 12" skillets, 4 quart sauce pans, 8 quart pots - the smaller stuff has seen less and less use over the years and I'm leaving it all behind entirely (outside a single 8" nonstick for single serving scrambled eggs).

e; Poitn being, if you're buying stuff now I would advise you err on the side of making sure things are induction capable & if you ahve the choice between two sizes go with the bigger.

Nephzinho fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Nov 3, 2023

Thoht
Aug 3, 2006

When I moved last year and the new house had induction, I got this set from Cuisinart. They have a nice feel to them, they all work with induction, and I think they'd cover most people's needs for stainless.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Fwiw I use every piece of the 12 set of Cuisinart and the handles are imo good

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


Can I get some confirmation I'm not missing something stupidly obvious with my new Vitamix 5300? Trying to turn it on, I have the bottom switch in the | position, and pushing and releasing the Start/Stop and it should go, yes? I'm not missing a safety feature? Seems like I got a DOA if so.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Did you select a speed on the dial? Is the power LED on?

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Even if the dial is completely cranked down it should spin when you turn it on.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


BrianBoitano posted:

Did you select a speed on the dial? Is the power LED on?

I don't see an LED and the manual doesn't give me the impression I have one and yes I have tried various speed selections when setting it to 1 didn't work.

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

I don't see an LED and the manual doesn't give me the impression I have one and yes I have tried various speed selections when setting it to 1 didn't work.

Long shot, but plug something else into the outlet to make sure that it’s providing power.

The first time I plugged in my Vitamix, it tripped the GFCI switch, and a reset was needed. Has not done it since, after many unpluggings and pluggings.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Is there a decent thread rec for good chinese / vegetable cleaver? I have a pretty heavy duty bone cleaver and want to give a thin veggie one a try.

Hoping for something pretty cheap to give a go and if it really sticks then I'd prob buy a much nicer one (if needed).

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

It used to be the CCK cleaver, but it's expensive now. Ask in the knife thread

Edit: the most recent bit of cleaver chat is here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3846213&pagenumber=51&perpage=40&userid=0#post533134892

Happiness Commando fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 4, 2023

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Happiness Commando posted:

It used to be the CCK cleaver, but it's expensive now. Ask in the knife thread

Edit: the most recent bit of cleaver chat is here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3846213&pagenumber=51&perpage=40&userid=0#post533134892

Thanks, posted there, couldn't find the thread.

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
Anyone have experience with Thermapen warranty support? I got one last December as a gift. Battery just died today, tried changing it, couldn't get both 2032s out but some other important looking small black part fell out.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Happiness Commando posted:

It used to be the CCK cleaver, but it's expensive now. Ask in the knife thread

Edit: the most recent bit of cleaver chat is here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3846213&pagenumber=51&perpage=40&userid=0#post533134892
I got this carbon-steel Chinese cleaver in 2020. Sharpest knife I've ever owned. I think it was recommended in this thread?

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Arsenic Lupin posted:

I got this carbon-steel Chinese cleaver in 2020. Sharpest knife I've ever owned. I think it was recommended in this thread?

I ended up buying the 7" one from that same storefront over on ebay.

mystes
May 31, 2006

That Works posted:

Is there a decent thread rec for good chinese / vegetable cleaver? I have a pretty heavy duty bone cleaver and want to give a thin veggie one a try.

Hoping for something pretty cheap to give a go and if it really sticks then I'd prob buy a much nicer one (if needed).
If you just want to see if you like using a cleaver style knife for vegetables you could just get a kiwi knife for $10 to try before getting something better. They're cheap steel but they cut pretty well as long as you aren't trying to cut something extremely hard because they're so thin.

That should be enough to at least tell you if you like push cutting and a square blade before you spend more on a real cleaver

mystes fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Nov 5, 2023

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

Anyone have experience with Thermapen warranty support? I got one last December as a gift. Battery just died today, tried changing it, couldn't get both 2032s out but some other important looking small black part fell out.

I lit an out of warranty Signals on fire and it worked for a while and then stopped. I emailed them to do some troubleshooting and they offered to replace it even after I told them half of it was melted.

I bought a replacement instead but appreciated them, they’ll take care of you.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I had a Dot with a loose probe jack and they accused me of dropping it, although they did eventually agree to send a replacement (which never arrived).

YMMV I guess, I still buy their stuff and have never had another problem with anything.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

Anyone have experience with Thermapen warranty support? I got one last December as a gift. Battery just died today, tried changing it, couldn't get both 2032s out but some other important looking small black part fell out.

Sounds like you broke it.

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
Yeah I mean I'll own up to that, but something shouldn't be so ridiculously easy to break while performing a simple task like a battery change.

Eezee
Apr 3, 2011

My double chin turned out to be a huge cyst
Is the Thermapen actually worth the 80€? Seems like a lot for a thermometer.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Eezee posted:

Is the Thermapen actually worth the 80€? Seems like a lot for a thermometer.

You can get ripoffs for much less and see if it becomes something you integrate into your workflow. They'll be slower and a bit less accurate and much worse construction but they do the job. If you like it you can ask Santa for a thermapen!

On this topic my kitchaid leave-in oven thermometer is way off and my roast came out rate, not medium rare. Can someone recommend me a good one? I kinda don't want a digital one because I don't want to fuss with the door seal on my oven. Ty!

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


The small "thermapop" ones are cheaper and have much of the larger pen's functionality. I went that route since I don't use probe thermometers super frequently and also was reluctant to go all-in on the price. So far it's been good enough for me.

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!


Thermapen's #1 feature is the speed of readings - it's the fastest available.

If you are willing to hold the probe in the meat for 5+ seconds, (vs the 2-3s), there's lots of cheaper options.

Accuracy of probes is basically the same across the board, most people don't leave them in the place long enough to stabilize the readings.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Checking back in with the thread, the Di Oro silicone spatula that was recommended is very nice. No complaints.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

VelociBacon posted:

You can get ripoffs for much less and see if it becomes something you integrate into your workflow. They'll be slower and a bit less accurate and much worse construction but they do the job. If you like it you can ask Santa for a thermapen!

On this topic my kitchaid leave-in oven thermometer is way off and my roast came out rate, not medium rare. Can someone recommend me a good one? I kinda don't want a digital one because I don't want to fuss with the door seal on my oven. Ty!
The door seal isn’t a problem ime. I have the Thermoworks one, because it also does cold stuff like when I make ice cream, but I use an Ikea one at my parents’ and it’s also totally good for being all of $10. I think Bluetooth ones are also a thing, so there’s no cord coming out of the oven, but the display is still outside of the oven and there’s an alarm.

For regular probes, I agree, a $15 one is perfectly fine. I can see you’d notice a Thermapen’s speed when you’re cooking like 15 or 20 pieces of meat, but I personally am cooking like 1-3 pieces so it doesn’t matter whatsoever if it takes an extra second each. You also rarely have to wait for the temp to finalize, it just needs to be past X, or going in the right direction when you switch pieces, which it only takes a second to determine anyway.

JoshGuitar
Oct 25, 2005

VelociBacon posted:

You can get ripoffs for much less and see if it becomes something you integrate into your workflow. They'll be slower and a bit less accurate and much worse construction but they do the job. If you like it you can ask Santa for a thermapen!

On this topic my kitchaid leave-in oven thermometer is way off and my roast came out rate, not medium rare. Can someone recommend me a good one? I kinda don't want a digital one because I don't want to fuss with the door seal on my oven. Ty!

Not sure of your price range, but earlier this year I splurged on a Meater Block and it's great. It replaced a "weird random Amazon brand" thermometer with wired probes, that worked great until individual probes stopped working right. Which led to an overcooked Thanksgiving turkey last year :cry:.

The Meater probes are wireless, so no worries about door seals. The only downside is the base unit has to be within a few feet of the probes. That means on a counter next to the oven, or on a side table next to the smoker. The base is attached to a nice bamboo block, which I'll usually stick inside a Ziploc bag to keep from dripping poo poo on it since it's kind of in harm's way. If it could be 10-20 feet away, safely in the house, I'd have no complaints. As long as the base unit connects to the probes, and the base also connects to WiFi, it's then cloud connected. Last Memorial Day weekend I made a Lowes run and was able to check on my brisket from miles away.

Actually it occurred to me that I'd never used it in the oven, and wasn't sure the probe would transmit through the thicker steel as compared to a smoker. I tried to turn it on, but the batteries I replaced a few months ago (4 x AA) were dead. So maybe one downside. Then it decided it wanted to update the firmware. Eventually I got the answer...yes it works in the oven. You're welcome :cheeky:.

The one other minor downside to the Meater is the probe is about 1/4" thick and has to be inserted a couple inches into the meat. Thick because it has electronics inside, and it has to go that deep to keep the electronics below 200 F or so. The thickness and depth can both be annoying depending on what you're cooking.

Oh and seconding Anne on the door seal not being an issue. The cords are pretty thin. They do have a temperature limit though (as do the wireless probes), so if you're using them on a grill you can hit a hot spot where it goes under the lid and kill the cord.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




unknown posted:

Thermapen's #1 feature is the speed of readings - it's the fastest available.

If you are willing to hold the probe in the meat for 5+ seconds, (vs the 2-3s), there's lots of cheaper options.

Accuracy of probes is basically the same across the board, most people don't leave them in the place long enough to stabilize the readings.

This might be a unpopular opinion but unless you're using it for fish I don't think you need the speed of a thermapen.

That said I have one and use it all the time.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I could see splurging on a Thermapen if I cooked a lot of fish, but I've been using a Lavatools Javelin for probably 15 years now that cost $20 and has never had any issues.

I do use ThermoWorks probes for my smoking though.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
https://twitter.com/cookingissues/status/1721562154522771632?s=46

$700 juicer

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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Anne Whateley posted:

The door seal isn’t a problem ime. I have the Thermoworks one, because it also does cold stuff like when I make ice cream, but I use an Ikea one at my parents’ and it’s also totally good for being all of $10. I think Bluetooth ones are also a thing, so there’s no cord coming out of the oven, but the display is still outside of the oven and there’s an alarm.

For regular probes, I agree, a $15 one is perfectly fine. I can see you’d notice a Thermapen’s speed when you’re cooking like 15 or 20 pieces of meat, but I personally am cooking like 1-3 pieces so it doesn’t matter whatsoever if it takes an extra second each. You also rarely have to wait for the temp to finalize, it just needs to be past X, or going in the right direction when you switch pieces, which it only takes a second to determine anyway.

JoshGuitar posted:

Not sure of your price range, but earlier this year I splurged on a Meater Block and it's great. It replaced a "weird random Amazon brand" thermometer with wired probes, that worked great until individual probes stopped working right. Which led to an overcooked Thanksgiving turkey last year :cry:.

The Meater probes are wireless, so no worries about door seals. The only downside is the base unit has to be within a few feet of the probes. That means on a counter next to the oven, or on a side table next to the smoker. The base is attached to a nice bamboo block, which I'll usually stick inside a Ziploc bag to keep from dripping poo poo on it since it's kind of in harm's way. If it could be 10-20 feet away, safely in the house, I'd have no complaints. As long as the base unit connects to the probes, and the base also connects to WiFi, it's then cloud connected. Last Memorial Day weekend I made a Lowes run and was able to check on my brisket from miles away.

Actually it occurred to me that I'd never used it in the oven, and wasn't sure the probe would transmit through the thicker steel as compared to a smoker. I tried to turn it on, but the batteries I replaced a few months ago (4 x AA) were dead. So maybe one downside. Then it decided it wanted to update the firmware. Eventually I got the answer...yes it works in the oven. You're welcome :cheeky:.

The one other minor downside to the Meater is the probe is about 1/4" thick and has to be inserted a couple inches into the meat. Thick because it has electronics inside, and it has to go that deep to keep the electronics below 200 F or so. The thickness and depth can both be annoying depending on what you're cooking.

Oh and seconding Anne on the door seal not being an issue. The cords are pretty thin. They do have a temperature limit though (as do the wireless probes), so if you're using them on a grill you can hit a hot spot where it goes under the lid and kill the cord.

Thanks to both of you for taking the time to steer me in the right direction. I had actually never heard of the MEATER products but they do look pretty slick. Not at all that expensive for a single probe and the MEATER 2 is now out which can be used in open-flame situations (the sticky outy end is good to 500C, 932F). I'll pick that up.

Cheers goons. I'll leave my thoughts after I've used it a few times.

e: For :canada: goons, it came to $190CAD after tax with free shipping for the Meater 2 +.

VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Nov 7, 2023

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