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Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

Real Mean Queen posted:

Oh hey I’ve got a question now, how does that work? I never really thought about where dead tanks go, leaving them there probably isn’t good and leaving them in an environment like Gaza introduces unique problems (“you can’t get there from here, all the roads are blocked in a really expensive way”)

I don’t know how available this information is, but how would a competent army theoretically solve this problem in this situation, and what’s israel doing instead of that?

all those other people are wrong, tanks go to hell

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CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Dr_0ctag0n posted:

They're preventing HD GoPro footage of IOF soldiers getting shot from showing up on social media. Exploding tanks looks better for PR than Juba videos I guess.

maybe its like the Ukraine war in that because its western armour the crew all escape and then they can just get another tank and so on

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

the problem with social media is they are posting stuff that's old as well and saying it just happened

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

uninterrupted posted:

the idea that regulating different companies is split up by nato/fbi/cia is suspect though.

I think it's more that this is what can be proved, rather than each agency getting their own social media platform to oversee

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/ImpactIsrael/status/1721474505506492469

confirmed: Owned

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Shageletic posted:

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

of course they arent they serve as a propaganda extension of israel

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Shageletic posted:

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

not from what i've seen. their narrative is that it's going great, the IDF are eliminating many terrorists and their bases

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Nonsense posted:

the problem with social media is they are posting stuff that's old as well and saying it just happened

this is indeed a well known social media trickery

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 8 days!

Shageletic posted:

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

Israel still hasn't actually given a number for how many military members were captured and killed a month ago.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

CODChimera posted:

so what are these tanks even achieving?

it gives israelis the notion that their army is *doing something*

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Is shadow banning real?

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

CODChimera posted:

maybe its like the Ukraine war in that because its western armour the crew all escape and then they can just get another tank and so on

that is probably a part of it and israel's "strategy" as it is. the US will bankroll more tanks, so they can try and minimize their casualties by hoping the tanks might get knocked out but the crews survive and in the process they kill hamas soldiers.

Its not working but its not entirely an illogical concept. i imagine in a number of the videos shot by hamas guys the tank crews might survive. but not all of them and certainly way, way more than israel ever expected.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Shageletic posted:

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

It's not quite to the point that they're saying every Israeli death is a civilian and every Palestinian death is a Hamas member, but it's close

mags
May 30, 2008
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CODChimera posted:

so what are these tanks even achieving?

making obstacles for following tanks

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006

Shageletic posted:

Mainstream media is isnt covering Israeli military losses at all?

how? all their journalists are holed up in Jerusalem and only get briefed by the Israelis.

it’s why they have no solidarity with the journalists on the ground. Petty jealous assholes.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
the egyptian press syndicate is calling on its members and others to form a human shield convoy to save gaza

The Egyptian Journalists Syndicate calls on the free people of the world to convoy human shields to break the siege on Gaza and bring in aid.

https://x.com/ahmeddouma89/status/1721879055522238894?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

fizziest posted:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-entertainer-leads-haredi-wedding-rendition-of-may-your-village-burn/

Israeli entertainer leads Haredi wedding guests in rendition of ‘May your village burn’
2hr ago

Israeli entertainer Meni Tzukerl, who is more widely known by his stage name Meni Mamtera is filmed at an ultra-Orthodox wedding in Israel this evening leading the guests in a rendition of the anti-Arab “May your village burn” chant with dozens of Haredi men seen participating.

Tzukerl’s name made headlines toward the beginning of the war thanks to a viral clip of blindfolded Palestinians detained by the IDF featured one of his popular children’s songs being blasted on a loop to confuse the suspects and prevent them from communicating with one another.

Earlier today, The Times of Israel revealed that the State Attorney’s Office has yet to indict any citizen for incitement to violence or racism against either Arabs or those deemed “leftists” since Hamas’s October 7 atrocities, despite inflammatory rhetoric on social media over the past month.

Several coalition lawmakers expressed support for wiping out Gaza after the October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas terrorists left over 1,400 dead and over 240 people kidnapped into Gaza.

“‘May your village burn!!’ Yes, yes, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a great for morale to wish for Gaza to be wiped out and set on fire. I have often said revenge is a [legitimate] value. They almost occupied the kibbutzim of the south, slaughtered, raped, decapitated and gouged out eyes. Almost 1400 were murdered in one Shabbat. So let their village burn. And if the ‘La Familia’ [anti-Arab group] sings it, it’s because they understand that the enemy only understands strength! And more strength,” tweeted Likud MK Tally Gotliv last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjW4JgZPZTo

It is burning, brothers, it is burning
Our poor little town, a pity, burns!
Furious winds blow
Breaking, burning and scattering
And you stand around
With folded arms
O, you stand and look
While our town burns

It is burning, brothers, it is burning
Our poor little town, a pity, burns
The tongues of fire have already
Swallowed the entire town
Everything surrounding it is burning
And you stand around
While our town burns

It is burning, brothers, it is burning!
You are the only source of help
If you value your town
Take up the tools to put out the fire
Put out the fire with your own blood
Don't just stand there, brothers
With your arms folded
Don't just stand there, brothers
Put out the fire, because our town is burning

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Pistol_Pete posted:

To the thread generally, is there any online resource that's trying to keep track of the overall action and losses in this war? The mainstream media just gives incredibly vague and generic info like: "Tanks in action around Gaza City", "More explosions reported in refugee camp" and on Twitter you get stuff like: "Here's a cool vid of an armoured vehicle getting blown up".

not really and the few that sort of are have extremely obvious biases that influence the accuracy of the reporting

most sources in Gaza itself are more interested in tracking and reporting civilian casualties for obvious reasons, resistance military sources are likely going to report almost every vehicle they hit as a vehicle destroyed, the Israelis lie about their casualties as a matter of state policy and have for decades, and the 'OSINT' people are primarily concerned with making Israel look good

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

uninterrupted posted:

yeah, it's a straightforward process. social media companies don't want to face regulation, so the put together content moderation teams. these teams get populated by a bunch of ex-LEO and intelligence folks, because a. it's hard to argue the CIA dude is "promoting Russian propaganda", and b. they have connections on the government side telling them specifically what to censor. social media doesn't face actual regulation, and the government gets to pretend there's no censorship, and what you see on FB is just what the world thinks

the idea that regulating different companies is split up by nato/fbi/cia is suspect though. these companies hire a large swath of each, and those people reference think tanks documents and research that fill in whatever gap might exist from not literally having someone who worked for nato on staff. from there, companies like crowdstrike/threatconnect/XSOAR/recorded future will directly connect your content moderation tools to lists of suspect IPs/usernames/emails/etc collated through fairly obscure means. there's not a ton of accountability on what's suspect or if the methodology covers all threat actors similarly, like if Israeli psyops are identified to the same extent Chinese psyops are. also from here there's an ability to restrict or ramp moderation, where those ex-LEO folks become important. you can imagine flows like:

Israeli psyops start posting pro-genocide stuff > these psyops are identified, default is to shadowban anyone who shares 3 of these posts > people complain they're shadowbanned for being Nazis > some LEO or thinktank dork reaches out to the content moderation team > the shadowban threshold is bumped to 10

or on the other hand

Palestinian psyops start posting anti-genocide stuff > these psyops are identified, default is to shadowban anyone who shares 3 of these posts > people complain that Hamas propaganda is out of control> some LEO or thinktank dork reaches out to the content moderation team > the shadowban threshold is lowered to 1

it's extremely effective at setting censorship goals, and the dumbest people on the planet can still say "iTs NoT dIrEcT cEnSoRsHiP lIkE tHe CcP!" between deep licks of strawberry jam off a window.

good post

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Al-Saqr posted:

the egyptian press syndicate is calling on its members and others to form a human shield convoy to save gaza

The Egyptian Journalists Syndicate calls on the free people of the world to convoy human shields to break the siege on Gaza and bring in aid.

https://x.com/ahmeddouma89/status/1721879055522238894?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

that's how you get a lot of people very, very dead. Remember the Mavi Marmara?

The only way you get supplies into gaza without Israel's calorie-counters signing off on it is for a nuclear power to bring them in on a warship and dare Israel to attack them.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Is shadow banning real?

it's a vague category and every company will call it something different, but they all have some kind of ability to limit visibility and discovery without alerting the affected accounts.

usually aimed at a subset of accounts or posts matching a certain criteria versus the specific user or post

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

special forces teams have been doing border guard work for Egypt. not good

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

SplitSoul posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjW4JgZPZTo

It is burning, brothers, it is burning
Our poor little town, a pity, burns!
Furious winds blow
Breaking, burning and scattering
And you stand around
With folded arms
O, you stand and look
While our town burns

It is burning, brothers, it is burning
Our poor little town, a pity, burns
The tongues of fire have already
Swallowed the entire town
Everything surrounding it is burning
And you stand around
While our town burns

It is burning, brothers, it is burning!
You are the only source of help
If you value your town
Take up the tools to put out the fire
Put out the fire with your own blood
Don't just stand there, brothers
With your arms folded
Don't just stand there, brothers
Put out the fire, because our town is burning




Gay soy nazis etc

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

Is shadow banning real?

yes

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Al-Saqr posted:

the egyptian press syndicate is calling on its members and others to form a human shield convoy to save gaza

The Egyptian Journalists Syndicate calls on the free people of the world to convoy human shields to break the siege on Gaza and bring in aid.

https://x.com/ahmeddouma89/status/1721879055522238894?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Famous human shield respecters, the Israelis

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



It's been a while since I've seen Frosted Flakes post. Can't even find them in search. Kinda weird?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

Is shadow banning real?

i think on twitter it works like people not being able to search for your username/posts unless they already follow you, on reddit you still see your own posts but nobody else does, dunno about other platforms

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Is Elon still personally making sure that pro-Palestinian account can't have any followers? Because the tools they have are so dogshit that's pretty much the only way they were doing that.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023
Saw one of those loving kidnapped signs at the gas station this morning Jesus loving Christ

They rip down missing person posters but force feed me this poo poo

Spaced God posted:

It's been a while since I've seen Frosted Flakes post. Can't even find them in search. Kinda weird?

Probably ended up in the same place as the Bernstein Bears

Engorged Pedipalps has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Nov 7, 2023

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008



lol woke genocide and the insane orthodox freaks who don't even have to go murder people in a prison would surely stone all the gays to death if they had their way

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023

Spaced God posted:

It's been a while since I've seen Frosted Flakes post. Can't even find them in search. Kinda weird?

I haven't heard that name in years.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Saw one of those loving kidnapped signs at the gas station this morning Jesus loving Christ

They rip down missing person posters but force feed me this poo poo

Probably ended up in the same place as the Bernstein Bears

if you take one down be sure to check for razors taped to the back, because that's a thing at least one person has done

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

speng31b posted:

drat this guy sucks rear end

And yet people in the comments are jerking him off and scolding Palestinians and their allies for rejecting the magnanimous comments of a liberal Israeli.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Rubellavator posted:

if you take one down be sure to check for razors taped to the back, because that's a thing at least one person has done

i heard they're putting fentanyl on the hostage posters and if you take one down they human traffic you

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Cuttlefush posted:

that's not camera static. camera static from radiation would be random across the entire sensor. that 'static' you can see in a few of the videos is local to the explosion. it looks like secondary flashes or debris catching light. radiation artifacts look like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf4Ux4SlyT4

you're right that high explosives don't usually have big glowy fireballs but plenty of explosions started by high explosives are. also you can't hide the use of a nuclear weapon, not even a little tactical one, for longer than it takes a few monitoring stations to pick up a few telltale isotopes.

also that article is nonsense and the guy who wrote it is https://www.linkedin.com/in/gordon-duff-b52323154 and he 'advises' https://ads-security.com/

goon hoodwinked by disabled marine

There was something similar a few years ago from Syria where someone was speculating a low yield nuke was used, but the truth is any explosion large enough will take on the same kind of mushroom cloud that is so characteristic and engrained in people's minds as a 1:1 sign a nuke has gone off

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Tel Aviv must pay.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Saw one of those loving kidnapped signs at the gas station this morning Jesus loving Christ

I see a ton of them on bus stations and benches every day, weirdly enough though most of them are in English.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Dokapon Findom posted:

There was something similar a few years ago from Syria where someone was speculating a low yield nuke was used, but the truth is any explosion large enough will take on the same kind of mushroom cloud that is so characteristic and engrained in people's minds as a 1:1 sign a nuke has gone off

Yeah I can't get over how stupid call of duty brained people are that they think that someone could just casually drop a nuke without anyone noticing

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Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Rubellavator posted:

if you take one down be sure to check for razors taped to the back, because that's a thing at least one person has done

It was literally taped to the register, I got a little mad about it tbh

There are people missing in my city! They're putting this stupid poo poo up everywhere and it's driving me loving crazy it's just making people tune out even more on posters and notices

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