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NotJustANumber99 posted:i think I'll trade them all in for a seat on the first trip to mars. look we may have our differences NJAN but if you're feeling suicidal I just want you to know there's people who care about you and want you to live
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Bobby Deluxe posted:drat, even playstation has told twitter to gently caress off. Musk started charging them for the API, dollars first... ethics never.
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Nov 7, 2023 22:50
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The API but also Twitter is just spam, porn, spam porn and nazis now so it's a liability for child-friendly platforms. Companies like Sony and Microsoft could afford the fees; they chose not to pay.
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Nov 7, 2023 22:52
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Tesseraction posted:The API but also Twitter is just spam, porn, spam porn and nazis now so it's a liability for child-friendly platforms. Companies like Sony and Microsoft could afford the fees; they chose not to pay. That assumes he didn't personally try to charge them eleventy billion dollars.
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Nov 7, 2023 23:36
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i see banning vaping is on the agenda again i just have to ask...why?
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i mean they're pretty loving bad for you and it seems to be extremely easy for kids to get ahold of them. not to mention the sheer waste from disposables
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Nov 8, 2023 00:03
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They're a lot less bad for you than tobacco (and alcohol) though and nobody's willing to ban that, so I suspect it's a class/social group thing too.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:04
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And a 'new thing bad' thing. Although that doesn't always make any sense either, Humphrey Davy was huffing nitrous for laughs before the first legal warrant for a gin distillery was issued. A proper waste electronics law that forced manufacturers and importers to pick up the whole life waste cost of a vape and retailers to have buyback or recycle bins would be better ideas.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:07
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I reckon (based on nothing) that the long term effects will be pretty gnarly once someone has been using a vape every day for 40 years and has got popcorn lung
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well two things about that how exactly are they bad for you? i always see 'it's less harmful but still not safe!' but nobody ever says in what way, or they cite some tainted vape case from another country 5 years ago and then regardless, what business is it of theirs
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Nov 8, 2023 00:08
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Nicotine is still bad for you even without the other components of tobacco.
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The unregulated vapes have all kinds of nasty poo poo in them. It's hard to know what's a fully legal vape and what's a knockoff without confiscating it, and confiscating fully legal vapes would presumably just piss people off for no reason. So it's much easier to just ban them all. Also, the long-term effects of vaping aren't known, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see an increase in incidence of head and neck cancers from people who vape.
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roomtone posted:well two things about that If you're inflicting clouds of toxic smoke or candy flavoured poison water on the people around you, you're making your habit their business.
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kecske posted:I reckon (based on nothing) that the long term effects will be pretty gnarly once someone has been using a vape every day for 40 years and has got popcorn lung roomtone posted:some tainted vape case from another country 5 years ago There's a possibility that as with other things we'll discover the terrible disease of mintberryosis in 40 years, but on balance of evidence we have at the moment it's still a lot better than smoking. kingturnip posted:The unregulated vapes have all kinds of nasty poo poo in them. It's hard to know what's a fully legal vape and what's a knockoff without confiscating it, and confiscating fully legal vapes would presumably just piss people off for no reason. So it's much easier to just ban them all.
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Ultimately, if the Govt wanted to keep it legal, they could just tax the poo poo out of it, but Big Vape has far less lobbying power than the tobacco companies do and you'd better believe those shitstains are elbow-deep in getting vapes banned.
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Big tobacco ought to be smart enough to see both the writing on the wall for cigarettes and realize where the raw material for all that nicotine in the vape juice is coming from, but yes I wouldn't underestimate their desire for short term profit.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:20
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poo poo, it's going to be the heated tobacco bullshit that ends up being promoted in its place isn't it? None of the combustion byproducts, just lots of yummy VOCs 
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No one has ever gotten 'popcorn lung' from vaping. The name comes from a case where chemical workers in a popcorn factory received lung damage due to terrible workplace conditions. The (now banned in ecigarettes) flavouring probably isn't even a health risk in the context of vaping but better safe than sorry and all that.
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Nov 8, 2023 00:43
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If enough people start narrowing their eyes at the kids puffing on their Pineapple Ice Lost Marys, their field of vision will be restricted such that they won't see all the school walls dissolving like prawn crackers in the rain
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Guavanaut posted:Big tobacco ought to be smart enough to see both the writing on the wall for cigarettes and realize where the raw material for all that nicotine in the vape juice is coming from, but yes I wouldn't underestimate their desire for short term profit. My assumption has always been that Big Tobacco has been quietly making the transition into becoming Big Vape and Big Cannabis. Keep the old brand around to act as a big distraction while moving into the Big, new markets. As for Vaping as a product, it was initially sold and marketed as "a smoking cessation product." IE something that would encourage people to stop smoking. Which is something it has rowed back to "by which we mean you'll stop smoking cigarettes, because you are too busy vaping." From a health point of view, better than smoking, but it's still about getting a person hooked on a product that they use for no real personal benefit. Ultimately, if you were serious about wanting to keep them as a harm reduction product, they should probably be prescribed by the NHS or something. Kin posted:Thanks for that, I need to look into it a bit more to be honest. Can you check the discs on the front of the vans? See if the insurance-/tax/ whatever your English Equivalent of Road Worthiness/ are all in date? If not shop them to the traffic Wardens or the police. Even a not in any way exhagerating "this van has been left abandoned here for over a month. It could have been used in some crimes." Kind of way. Which I suppose is another option. Call to see if you can hire a company to tow the vehicle away/or send it to an impound lot. Serves the guys for abandoning a van in front of a preschool.
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They got rid of tax discs years ago, all online now. Though you can check the plates online and see whether it's in MOT.
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The Question IRL posted:Ultimately, if you were serious about wanting to keep them as a harm reduction product, they should probably be prescribed by the NHS or something. Ideally the solution to that would be to stop selling tobacco, but if they refuse to do that then making smoking look like poo poo and glamorously marketing any feasible replacement until it goes away, then doing something about those, is the best long term public health option available. It's far from ideal, but it's done in years what the other campaigns took decades to do. I agree with the profit bit, but that's where things like Guavanaut posted:law that forced manufacturers and importers to pick up the whole life waste cost of a vape and retailers to have buyback or recycle bins
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BRINGUE BACK PROPAR TACKS DISQUES AND METTAL DUSTBINS 
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It's odd to me that vapes apparently become popular as anything other than a smoking alternative. Cos like, smoking looks cool. Makes you smell like poo poo, kills, you, and is expensive, but people have looked cool smoking. Whereas I don't think people have ever looked cool vaping.
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Yeah that confused me about the whole "marketing to children" thing because when I was that age younger teens wanted to look like movie hardasses, not suck on a big pink stick labelled unicorn jizz* Maybe now that smoking in public is more associated with Jeremy Clarkson and Nigel Farage than Scarface kids have decided that they'd rather eat a magic horse's donger than look like either of those two. Maybe that's what woke is? *actual vape flavour
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I get that thinking smoking looks cool is a constructed thing that probably doesn't apply to younger generations so much but yeah, I remain a bit baffled as to what the appeal is of vapes because nothing about them seems appealing beyond people who like fiddling when them as a piece of consumer electronics.
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Yeah the appeal of candy flavours with stupid names had held constant, while the appeal of being a cool Humphrey Bogart type smoking forty packs a day has given way to the reality of being that one guy whose every possession just loving stinks.
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I mean vapes also smell pretty bad to me.
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Smoking is still cool though. You can't whack a tab.
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The whole Trashfuture bit about "Kier Starmer want to restrict vapes to savoury flavours only" is probably one of my favourite bits at the moment.
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Yeah I think as Guava said they should ban cigarettes first if they want harm reduction, but they won't, because there's tons of money in it (whereas most vapes are made by companies in China IIRC).
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OwlFancier posted:I get that thinking smoking looks cool is a constructed thing that probably doesn't apply to younger generations so much but yeah, I remain a bit baffled as to what the appeal is of vapes because nothing about them seems appealing beyond people who like fiddling when them as a piece of consumer electronics. I dunno, during term time, the bridge under the road about 200m from the local secondary school is always full of teenagers smoking real cigs - not even vaping. You can just tell from their stance that they think it makes them look big & cool. How they can afford it who knows! One of my exes was a smoker. I told him if he chose to kill himself with nicotine that was up to him, but could he please not stink out my flat & clothes. He switched to vaping with the highest strength nicotine product he could get.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The whole Trashfuture bit about "Kier Starmer want to restrict vapes to savoury flavours only" is probably one of my favourite bits at the moment. Means tested gammon vapes for veterans.
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Tesseraction posted:personally I don't care but the thread needs a punching bag and I'm not letting the low hanging fruit slip out from under me If you slip on them, they’re not hanging anymore
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Big Tobacco are all over vaping/heated tobacco tech and have been from the start. About 90% of the Vape boxes on show at the cig counter in supermarkets are sub brands of BAT/JTI/Phillip Morris etc. Source: me, having worked on tobacco packaging for the best of 10 years. I just finished the 3rd gen of a heated tobacco device range and it's the first year I've actually understood how they work. Still never seen anyone using one in the UK but I know they do mad numbers on them in Japan//China/Eastern Europe/probably Russia.
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