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bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The suggestion is that he'd opt out after 2 or 3 years, i.e. after he's proven he can pitch at a high level again by doing so for your team.

Andrew Friedman's dream above all dreams is for this kind of short term high AAV deal. It's the primary reason he went after Bauer.

I just don't buy that this is what Ohtani actually wants.

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Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

bawfuls posted:

I just don't buy that this is what Ohtani actually wants.

It might be what he's willing to accept if no team is actually willing to give him a $600M contract due to uncertainty as to whether he can still pitch like an ace.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Popete posted:

Benetti and JD would own. If JD ever leaves the Cubs broadcast booth is going to be dire.

Sutcliffe and Giradi every game and also giving a play by play every time you go on a date.

Legendary Ptarmigan
Sep 21, 2007

Need a light?

mcmagic posted:

The yankees trading a regular player to boston would be loving wild. Shows what the state of the rivalry is at this point.

It's hard to sustain a rivalry when there's been basically one year (2018) in the last decade and a half when both teams have been really good. Yankees have been good but not great more or less each year while the Red Sox have yoyo-ed between WS winners and 5th-place-in-the-division losers.




Absolutely not. Verdugo is a barely average hitter, below average everywhere else, and seems like a trashy guy.

This is also why I don't like the idea of any trade with the Cardinals for an outfielder - all their guys are varying flavors of mediocre. Make something happen for someone good or just give the playing time to Florial for a change. Incremental improvements won't cut it with this group of players; you have to get much, much better a theoretical trade/signing or it isn't worth it.

Bregor
May 31, 2013

People are idiots, Leslie.

Popete posted:

Benetti and JD would own. If JD ever leaves the Cubs broadcast booth is going to be dire.

Bregor posted:

Someone hire Joe Girardi, please and thank you

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Legendary Ptarmigan posted:

This is also why I don't like the idea of any trade with the Cardinals for an outfielder - all their guys are varying flavors of mediocre.

How about a weightlifter who occasionally plays baseball to pay the bills?

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
looking forward to 2026 when Our Perfect Boy Shohei is mashing dingers and a staff ace while old managers fired from their last 3 jobs continue to scream "HE CAN'T SUSTAIN THIS"

maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Nov 10, 2023

Ace Jameson
Feb 10, 2006
i’ve tolerated a ton of bad decisions from the white sox over the years but this benetti stuff is really stupid and awful. zero chance soxfest happens this year either, people are as fed up as I can remember with the whole organization.

Traxis
Jul 2, 2006

How much money can you tie to incentives in MLB contracts? Just give him like a Mookie Betts contract + $200k for every IP.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
It's so funny that the Sox finally got rid of Hahn and Williams and couldn't even get an offseason's worth of goodwill out of it

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Traxis posted:

How much money can you tie to incentives in MLB contracts? Just give him like a Mookie Betts contract + $200k for every IP.
not sure there's a limit aside from the incentives must be playing time based like IP/games etc and not raw stats

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Legendary Ptarmigan posted:

It's hard to sustain a rivalry when there's been basically one year (2018) in the last decade and a half when both teams have been really good. Yankees have been good but not great more or less each year while the Red Sox have yoyo-ed between WS winners and 5th-place-in-the-division losers.

Absolutely not. Verdugo is a barely average hitter, below average everywhere else, and seems like a trashy guy.

This is also why I don't like the idea of any trade with the Cardinals for an outfielder - all their guys are varying flavors of mediocre. Make something happen for someone good or just give the playing time to Florial for a change. Incremental improvements won't cut it with this group of players; you have to get much, much better a theoretical trade/signing or it isn't worth it.

You likely think Torres has a great year this last year, right? His Baseball Reference WAR was 0.3 better than Vergudo's.

I pretty much agree that Verdugo is a shithead and I'd rather not root for him but JUST from a baseball perspective it's not a awful.

Reiche
Jan 28, 2009

I like my coffee with cream and lsd.
drat I didn’t think it could get much worse as a Sox fan but seeing Benetti go like this hurts deep. The only saving grace at least since TLR was hired was that we had one of the best tv duos in the sport. No matter how bad they were on the field or how bad the atmosphere around the team was, it was still worth it to tune into their broadcasts.

Tigers fans should be super excited about this

Kevlar v2.0
Dec 25, 2003

=^•⩊•^=

Second time someone's bought me an av in only a few months. Bawfuls isn't the only one with a secret admirer. ;-*

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
The Twins are the latest team to publicly announce they're slashing payroll.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Kevlar v2.0 posted:

Second time someone's bought me an av in only a few months. Bawfuls isn't the only one with a secret admirer. ;-*
I got four in one month, keep grinding kid I believe in you!

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1722764485637603820

Cody Bellinger... utility guy???

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1722782410260000855

Coming to a lineup near you!

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Who could the source of that story be !!!??

Legendary Ptarmigan
Sep 21, 2007

Need a light?

mcmagic posted:

You likely think Torres has a great year this last year, right? His Baseball Reference WAR was 0.3 better than Vergudo's.

I pretty much agree that Verdugo is a shithead and I'd rather not root for him but JUST from a baseball perspective it's not a awful.

I do not. I think it was better than last year 2021 (and substantially better than 2020) but just the same as I said about Verdugo: slightly above average. Combined with his poor defense and truly awful baserunning, I have been a big proponent of moving on from Torres, just not for left-handed Clint Fraizer.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Eric the Mauve posted:

The Twins are the latest team to publicly announce they're slashing payroll.

This is just for dark horse Ohtani reasons.

Legendary Ptarmigan
Sep 21, 2007

Need a light?
We all know Ohtani is going to the Cubs because he really wants to be managed by Counsell.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"

Legendary Ptarmigan posted:

We all know Ohtani is going to the Cubs because he really wants to be managed by Counsell.

Craig's gonna fix Shohei's stance

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
we've been over this before but Ohtani is coming to Chicago and we are going to be best friends

elentar
Aug 26, 2002

Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.
not the basketball thread

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Something I just remembered about the Brewers saying they're looking to slash payroll: They just got $550 million in public financing for renovations of Miller Park. So right after they get a giant taxpayer handout, they start screaming "cost certainty!"

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=
Sign Ohtani and we will win the division by 30 games

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Whereas... don't and you'll win the division by 20 games?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1722770516292018340?s=20

Typhoid Heyman

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Legendary Ptarmigan posted:

Absolutely not. Verdugo is a barely average hitter, below average everywhere else, and seems like a trashy guy.

To Verdugo's credit after the 2022 season he said that he wanted to improve his defense, and he did. Which meant for a moment it looked like he's finally put it all together. Then he cratered in the second half, got benched a couple times and remains seemingly as callow as ever.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Most of the other hotel guests are having In-N-Out as well.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


howe_sam posted:

remains seemingly as callow as ever.

...I thought that was a compliment.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Popete posted:

Most of the other hotel guests are having In-N-Out as well.

lmao

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Popete posted:

Most of the other hotel guests are having In-N-Out as well.

Heyo

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


i'm so fuckin bummed about benetti not just because i feel bad for sox fans who have had one of the most promising teams in the majors turned into complete poo poo through blatant mismanagement from a garbage owner who is also ruining my favorite basketball team, but because as a Certified Baseball Sicko I watch a bunch of Sox games because they're just on here and because the White Sox were extraordinarily funny this year, and Benetti and Stone made those awful games a lot of fun.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1722704924742762554

Edit: I see no sources for this and this guy is a paid Twitter user, just FYI

Red fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Nov 10, 2023

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


only one guy makes sense for brewers manager

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Red posted:

https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1722704924742762554

Edit: I see no sources for this and this guy is a paid Twitter user, just FYI

That is a fake account.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Red posted:

https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/1722704924742762554

Edit: I see no sources for this and this guy is a paid Twitter user, just FYI

This is the "Machado to the Yankees or I leave Twitter forever" guy, I think?

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MrMidnight
Aug 3, 2006

Yeah he's a hack wannabe journalist

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