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Kale posted:I just realized I have absolutely no idea what the flagship event in 4.2 is cause I never actually watched that part of the livestream. some diving poo poo with freminent (who is the reward character). seems to be a kind of repeat of the 4.0 event, tbh
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Tree Reformat posted:some diving poo poo with freminent (who is the reward character). seems to be a kind of repeat of the 4.0 event, tbh Man if 4.1 somehow ends up having the best flagship event story of the Fontaine arc........
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Nov 10, 2023 05:59
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YoshiOfYellow posted:True. Also he could in theory be a driver for like Nilou Bloom? But then I'd want to give him completely different artifacts and his support wouldn't be as good so eh. Yeah it's less a thing I rely on and more "a nice upside to realizing I absolutely brought the wrong team into this situation."
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Nov 10, 2023 06:06
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It might be prudent to start prefarming Navia's local specialty (Spring of the First Dewdrop) pretty early. There's not a vast number of them, and the fact that they're all spread out on the Z axis underwater makes tracking them all down a real pain, even with a map.
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Nov 10, 2023 06:30
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Dang 4.2 took Furina from "a character that exists that I think is pretty cool" to "my absolute favorite character in this game" good poo poo hoyo
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^^^ sameTuxedo Catfish posted:Much as I would almost prefer your interpretation because it's cooler and casts Celestia in worse light, I'm pretty sure the Divine Nails aren't weapons, or even punishments. They weren't dropped on disobedient civilizations, they were installed after the war between the First and Second Descenders -- which completely hosed up the entire world with collateral damage -- to keep the Abyss from leaking. They're last-ditch efforts at making amends and keeping the status quo going, not rods from god. Well, except in the most literal sense. Given the context of the Narwhal and the Eldritch Horror From Beyond vibes it gives me, I'm starting to think the Heavenly Principles/whoever's in charge of Celestia might actually be busy fighting/managing even more dangerous things hence a seeming failure to respond to the goings-on in Teyvat Also the narwhal seeking out primordial water and by extension life created from it makes me think that Celestia/Heavenly Principles punishes doing things like what Egeria did because it attracts said Eldritch Horrors
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Nov 10, 2023 08:24
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rio posted:With how profitable it is other companies will and are following that pity system, which sucks. Except for die hard defenders I don’t think players like 50/50s either. The gacha system in HI3 is way worse  it costs more money per roll, the pity numbers for a 5* characters are about the same, and characters are basically kneecapped without their 4 gear pieces of gacha gear with their own special pity that does not carry over to future banners.That works out to 300 rolls to get a character at their baseline effectiveness at 30bucks per 10 pull. Genshin needs max 180 (realistically ~160) to get a character at 20bux per 10 pull and while the weapon banner loving sucks, at least characters don't have literal parts of their kit dependant on the weapon, and weapons don't have their effects locked to a specific character. Yeah I prefer genshins system even with 50/50 and it's not even close. Even if you do consider genshin weapons necessary, if you do the math assuming max pity/max epitomized path it literally costs the same as HI3. In the end gacha companies are trying to extract the most money out of players, if they really were "magnanimous" they would make games that cost a one time fee or sub for access to all characters or at least let us buy characters for a flat fee.
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Nov 10, 2023 08:27
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Oh jesus christ when I posted that I hadnt yet gotten to the parts of 4.2 that are genuinely so uncomfortable to read and experience that I'm finding it hard to progress There is some hosed up poo poo in this game. Man.
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Meowywitch posted:Oh jesus christ when I posted that I hadnt yet gotten to the parts of 4.2 that are genuinely so uncomfortable to read and experience that I'm finding it hard to progress When I got to the point in the AQ where the quest title was just Apocalypse, I was just "okay, so we're really doing this, huh? cool"
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Nov 10, 2023 08:46
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What a loving story, make it an anime immediately.
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Nov 10, 2023 08:51
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I do appreciate a good infodump and drat the story did some very interesting things there, but my god, that was like 2 hours of straight cutscenes with an ocasional mouse click required. And having now finished the Fontaine archon quest, does anyone else find it hilarious that despite being a normal human/non-archon, Furina is arguably the strongest hydro off-field/buffer in the game? Hell, I don't even know how she got a vision, unless Neuvilette gave a (fake?) one to her after she quit.
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Nov 10, 2023 09:15
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Furina's story quest is extremely important as an epilogue, unlike other archon story 1 quests.
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Tae posted:Furina's story quest is extremely important as an epilogue, unlike other archon story 1 quests. I'm kind of surprised that she basically disappeared from the plot after she was sentenced, it's disappointing. I hope she has a chance to truly be happy now though
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I wonder when, or if, we're going to start meeting characters like Rhinedottir and Skirk's master. Maybe already setting up post-Celestia arcs?
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Meowywitch posted:I'm kind of surprised that she basically disappeared from the plot after she was sentenced, it's disappointing. I hope she has a chance to truly be happy now though it was disappointing sure but once her role was exposed, her role in the story was done. she had no power of her own and nothing else to do. part of why she could straight-up disappear, wander off on her own, and everyone involved just let her. which is part of why her follow-up story quest is so much more important than virtually any other character's to date. a lot of people needed hugs after all that. sushibandit posted:I do appreciate a good infodump and drat the story did some very interesting things there, but my god, that was like 2 hours of straight cutscenes with an ocasional mouse click required. if i remember right, and it's been a while, Ei heavily impllies during the Inazuma archon quest that the archons are not the ones that determine who gets visions. the fact that Furina gets one after the death of Focalors and the throne of the hydro archon confirms it. note Furina doesn't receive her vision until after the play finishes - it's not on her dress until the final cutscene.
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Neuvilette has a newly unlocked character story that's about "what creates visions"
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MajorBonnet posted:I wonder when, or if, we're going to start meeting characters like Rhinedottir and Skirk's master. Maybe already setting up post-Celestia arcs? There is a very good chance that Skirk's master is Kevin Kaslana.
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Furina character quest spoilers: She gets it during the play as part of the scene. Paimon was supposed to drop a prop vision but didn't have to because the real one materialised. Ferrous fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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So... Mono Hydro is actually kind of a thing with Furina. Kokomi/Yelan/Kazuha/Furina. Drop Furina's pals and Burst, have Kazuha do his thing, set up the Yelan Burst and generate energy with her skill, then swap to Kokomi, Q, and spam. 3/4 of your party are built like freight trains and you have infinite healing, so you can just facetank everything (Kokomi can probably just run HP% goblet with Furina+Yelan buffs and get even swoler). Also probably scales in a very silly manner with Yelan C4, Furina C2, and Kazuha C6 (but what doesn't get better with a better Kazuha). EDIT: Just 36 starred Abyss with it, it's a pretty smooth rotation and is incredibly forgiving. Just don't run it against anything Hydro immune. Nakar fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Ferrous posted:Furina character quest spoilers: I know, i remember that part well. The open question is who doles them out, if anyone
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Xun posted:The gacha system in HI3 is way worse Regarding HI3, every other character (rounding it out out) is free and they only require 30 pulls per piece of gear. So you aren’t seeing the 100 pull pity when those characters release since they are grindable to max rank (SSS) with no cost to the player. That’s one of the biggest differences in currency economy since you are getting a lot of characters for free (all SP units and war treasury S ranks, on top of just lucking into Dorm valks, though many of those are out of date). When you do have to pull a character soft pity is around 25, 20 or so but you’re getting a character 100%. Most characters will function (as in they feel complete) with only their weapon, and despite it not being documented officially weapons seem to have much higher rates. I got four weapons full gearing the most recent character, with the weapon being the first thing I got, and on the other new gear introduced I got the weapon in 11 pulls and stopped because the gear only provides roughly a 10% damage increase. F2p is in no way expecting to full gear a character in HI3 so if you’re going to make that assumption then you need to add getting the weapon for every character into Genshin too to make the comparison at least slightly equal. You’re also usually not going anywhere near 200 pulls for full gearing a character with how the averages work. As time has gone on, HI3 has pushed players harder in terms of encouraging spending but there are still f2p players in Nirvana, though not many, and a lot in RL and I’d say if you are maintaining RL you’re basically getting everything the game offers as an experience. Even if just staying at agony 3, which is very doable since it doesn’t require fully built teams in any way, you are missing out on a fairly inconsequential amount of crystals. Lastly implying that somehow a good player experience *needs* predation to make a profit is sad to see - it isn’t just be a gacha or be a one time fee/monthly sub game. There are games with good gachas and bad gachas; it isn’t black and white like you’re implying. All I’m saying is Genshin’s gacha isn’t one of the good ones. HI3 isn’t even one of the best even if it is better than Genshin’s system imo. PGR has one of the best if you’re unfamiliar with it. The gacha system is tied directly to monthly currency income and it’s not a coincidence that genshin gives you roughly enough to get a 50/50, because when you fail it you’re going to want to spend or play more.
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OK so it sounds like I really need to do Furina's story quest Hopefully the traveler is less mean to her in it?
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Meowywitch posted:OK so it sounds like I really need to do Furina's story quest Its a really solid bow on her arc
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i think its good that the traveler actually has a relationship with furina that isnt the same as their relationship with every other character in the game
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Leraika posted:sunglasses existed in 1700s europe and in fact have existed in their current form (tinted lenses in frame) since roughly the 1300s Navia grew up in the city with walking bipedal and wheeled mining robots. By the time colored glass is figured out, sunglasses should be the least of your concern.
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Endorph posted:i think its good that the traveler actually has a relationship with furina that isnt the same as their relationship with every other character in the game Still havent Story Quested, but I guess I just think Furina has suffered enough and I am actually pretty sad she still has a 100% unapproval rating from her people Perhaps this is my fault though, because I was totally expecting a feelgoody-esque "Oh she was protecting us this entire time, regardless of it all, she truly was our Hydro Archon!" but nope. More suffering for Furina.
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Finally pulled one Charlotte. Time to Fatal Frame my way through Fontaine
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Meowywitch posted:Still havent Story Quested, but I guess I just think Furina has suffered enough and I am actually pretty sad she still has a 100% unapproval rating from her people the whole country loves Milkshake Archon, a lovely god who drinks milkshakes
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I mean the thing that turns me around is that the game specifically didn't go for that pat ending. I entirely expecting the ending of the archon quest to be everyone in a circle of Furina clapping and telling her congratulations.
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Personally I was really hoping for a "Searing of Ascalon" type outcome, for at least part of the quest if not permanently, where the entirety of Fontaine is completely submerged but I guess that would have taken too much effort.
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sushibandit posted:Personally I was really hoping for a "Searing of Ascalon" type outcome, for at least part of the quest if not permanently, where the entirety of Fontaine is completely submerged but I guess that would have taken too much effort. That is what I want. I am holding out hope that the Dain quest is Celestia Strikes Back. Celestia being completely asleep at the wheel is not a very exciting plotline I want my Befall moment drat it.
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rio posted:As time has gone on, HI3 has pushed players harder in terms of encouraging spending but there are still f2p players in Nirvana, though not many, and a lot in RL and I’d say if you are maintaining RL you’re basically getting everything the game offers as an experience. Even if just staying at agony 3, which is very doable since it doesn’t require fully built teams in any way, you are missing out on a fairly inconsequential amount of crystals. I'm not really sure how you got that a good experience needs predation to make a profit from what I said. If a company didn't want to predate on players they wouldn't be making a gacha game in the first place. I suppose what I am trying to point out that these games are all predatory and when you get down to it it costs 900 dollars to get a complete character with all their gear in HI3 and 920 for one in genshin. You are reading a lot of "implying" going on here. Honestly I feel way more pressured to spend in HI3 because as a casual ftp player there is no way I'm saving up enough rolls for even one geared out character in a patch and there's a counter in your face saying "oh but you could in just this many more rolls!" Also if you actually you know, check the drop rates it is a 4.958% chance to get a weapon vs 7.437% for the stigmas. It is literally illegal to lie about that poo poo. Xun fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Xun posted:I'm not really sure how you got that a good experience needs predation to make a profit from what I said. If a company didn't want to predate on players they wouldn't be making a gacha game in the first place. I suppose what I am trying to point out that these games are all predatory and when you get down to it it costs 900 dollars to get a complete character with all their gear in HI3 and 920 for one in genshin. You are reading a lot of "implying" going on here. Yeah for what it's worth HI3 is the game that got me to start a spreadsheet of every time I swipe to be aware of what I spend, because it got me to spend a lot really fast and it's just sooo easy to do in that game. I've had other say it's the more generous one before and I just do not see it. Genshin/SR can vacuum as much money out of you, but in those games it feels like I do it because I want the extras, but in HI3 I NEED the extras for the character to be baseline usable.
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Meowywitch posted:Still havent Story Quested, but I guess I just think Furina has suffered enough and I am actually pretty sad she still has a 100% unapproval rating from her people
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:wasted a lot of time on this stupid puzzle because I didn't realize you could combine 2 water bubbles to make a big explodey one. Maybe I should have read the tutorials lol Same
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But she probably has no idea how to live or take care of herself after dedicating 500 years pretending to be somebody else. I find it very tragic. 500 years of difficult-to-impossible to fix emotional trauma too
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