[P/I] Live Hamas

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1723740120530956798?s=20

IAF is buzzing Beirut again, but not actually doing anything.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:39

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# ? May 26, 2024 17:30

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Allah confused their instruments.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:40

Chillgamesh: Jul 29, 2014

Frosted Flake posted:

So, suppose the Idea of Galicia prevailed over Zionism. Would there be a conservative Galician-ism that had all of these same talking points about why Jews can only be safe in Western Ukraine?

Or, broadly, without the Holocaust, would there be a strain of conservative politics in the diaspora demanding Jews return to the shtetls of the Pale?

Isn't a big buttress of Zionism the Fundamentalist Christians who think their victory will bring about the Rapture? I feel like without Muslims existing as a mutual Other for both Jews and Christians to hate, they'd have a lot less power. If Western Ukraine was the promised land, the enemy would just be communists, who were already the enemy anyway.

Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/Vagoish/status/1723122648090017878?s=20

support our troops

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:44

Ba5ic: Nov 12, 2023; by VG

Al! posted:

Zionism is not Judaism is just baseline poo poo you need to know to understand the conflict at all and i think that's a pretty easy concept to most people to grasp. some people have been misled on this point but that doesn't make them ignorant to it.

no, it's not "baseline"
it's completely insane to expect the average person the be able to differentiate between the two. you have to have a good knowledge of history, good knowledge of current geopolitics and a solid understanding of the history of P/I to not lose your poo poo when confronted by the concept "powerful jews wreck havoc on defenseless palestinians"

i get that most goons touch computers for most of the day but this poo poo is by no means "just a few bad apples". never forget that you are not immune to propaganda, and the effort to synergize judaism and zionism has been a huge success partly because it builds upon centuries of hate. this poo poo that transcends generations, borders and cultures.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:44

Phigs: Jan 23, 2019

PhilippAchtel posted:

Don't attack people for wearing the Star of David in the gym ffs.

I won't defend someone who does that no matter what their politics are.

This is fine, but you have to careful. Too many people walk right into the minefield and then complain they got burned.

Genuine question, not trying to justify attacking someone for wearing a Star of David, but is it even common for non-Zionist Jews to wear the Star of David? I thought it was basically equivalent to the Jesus Fish where it's technically a religious symbol but typically only people of a certain political persuasion would actually go around displaying it these days.

Again, even if it is mostly worn by Zionists that's no reason to go hating on someone who just happens to wear it.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:49

WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

Ba5ic posted:

no, it's not "baseline"
it's completely insane to expect the average person the be able to differentiate between the two. you have to have a good knowledge of history, good knowledge of current geopolitics and a solid understanding of the history of P/I to not lose your poo poo when confronted by the concept "powerful jews wreck havoc on defenseless palestinians"

i get that most goons touch computers for most of the day but this poo poo is by no means "just a few bad apples". never forget that you are not immune to propaganda, and the effort to synergize judaism and zionism has been a huge success partly because it builds upon centuries of hate. this poo poo that transcends generations, borders and cultures.

Welcome new poster to SA

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:49

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Frosted Flake posted:

So, suppose the idea of Galicia prevailed over Zionism. Would there be a conservative Galician-ism that had all of these same talking points about why Jews can only be safe in Western Ukraine?

Or, broadly, without the Holocaust, would there be a strain of conservative politics in the diaspora demanding Jews return to the shtetls of the Pale?

The thing about Zionism is that it sought to change the meaning of being Jewish. The movement was spearheaded by weirdos who hated Yiddish, hated the Eastern European Jewish communities from whence they came, just hated Jewish culture and the diaspora in general. They wanted to reinvent jews from "the people of the book" to "the people of the sword." They wanted to cast away "the old jew" - religious, scholarly, "weak", and to make way for a "new jew" - the suntanned, strong, secular, hebrew speaking self reliant kibbutznik alpha male. They wanted jews to be first and foremost a race living in an ethnic homeland rather than a religious community, for whom the cultural/historical significance of Jewish traditions or holy sites is more important than their religious/spiritual significance.

Without the new, zionist conception of the Jewish people, I'm really not sure that the same paranoid, ethnonationalist talking points would still emerge. After all, if the jews have a safe, "soft" homeland in a territory that's found within another country or empire whose existence and borders they don't have to militarily defend themselves (proving that anti-semitism isn't some inexorable force of nature and they don't need to barricade themselves away from non-jews), and the jews within it don't view themselves as a fascist warrior-race defending the fatherland, why would they still think like that?

Sancho Banana has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Nov 12, 2023

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:50

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ba5ic posted:

no, it's not "baseline"
it's completely insane to expect the average person the be able to differentiate between the two. you have to have a good knowledge of history, good knowledge of current geopolitics and a solid understanding of the history of P/I to not lose your poo poo when confronted by the concept "powerful jews wreck havoc on defenseless palestinians"

i get that most goons touch computers for most of the day but this poo poo is by no means "just a few bad apples". never forget that you are not immune to propaganda, and the effort to synergize judaism and zionism has been a huge success partly because it builds upon centuries of hate. this poo poo that transcends generations, borders and cultures.

I mean, it's actually very simple:

Do you believe Jewish Canadians are Canadians who are Jewish, or non-Canadians who happen to live in Canada, but belong somewhere else?

If you believe Jews are your countrymen, Zionism is ridiculous. If you can accept that they are a member of your nation, then they can belong to all nations, in the same way we live alongside Prods and nowadays people who belong to eastern religions too.

Accepting the premise of Zionism means that (at best) we should organize our own societies around "homelands" the same way,

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:54 on Nov 12, 2023

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:51

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

WampaLord posted:

Welcome new poster to SA

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:54

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Sancho Banana posted:

The thing about Zionism is that it sought to change the meaning of being Jewish. The movement was spearheaded by weirdos who hated Yiddish, hated the Eastern European Jewish communities from whence they came, just hated Jewish culture and the diaspora in general. They wanted to reinvent jews from "the people of the book" to "the people of the sword." They wanted to cast away "the old jew" - religious, scholarly, "weak", and to make way for a "new jew" - the suntanned, strong, secular, hebrew speaking self reliant kibbutznik alpha male. They wanted jews to be first and foremost a race living in an ethnic homeland rather than a religious community, for whom the cultural/historical significance of Jewish traditions or holy sites is more important than their religious/spiritual significance.

Without the new, zionist conception of the Jewish people, I'm really not sure that the same paranoid, ethnonationalist talking points would still emerge. After all, if the jews have a safe, "soft" homeland in a territory that's found within another country or empire whose existence and borders they don't have to militarily defend themselves (proving that anti-semitism isn't some inexorable force of nature and they don't need to barricade themselves away from non-jews), and the jews within it don't view themselves as a fascist warrior-race defending the fatherland, why would they still think like that?

Thanks for this, that was a great post.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:57

Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

Phigs posted:

Genuine question, not trying to justify attacking someone for wearing a Star of David, but is it even common for non-Zionist Jews to wear the Star of David? I thought it was basically equivalent to the Jesus Fish where it's technically a religious symbol but typically only people of a certain political persuasion would actually go around displaying it these days.

I know very few Jews personally but I do know one who is totally secular, mixed feelings on Israel leaning toward �it�s bad� (ie, not a Zionist) and they wear a Star of David necklace on the reg.

Looked it up and there�s five total synagogues in Oklahoma, population 4 million.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:57

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

Frosted Flake posted:

in the same way we live alongside Prods and nowadays people who belong to eastern religions too.

this comparison is reductive because it ignores the ethnoreligious factors not present in protestantism

# ? Nov 12, 2023 17:58

CheetoVonTito: Nov 11, 2023; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 23 hours!)

Even though I'm dead inside, this made me chuckle

https://x.com/emadisanie624/status/1723746637888016882?s=46

Maybe Israel should use this as their next propoganda video, and claim NBC is�wait for it�

ALSO Hamas

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:02

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Frosted Flake posted:

Do you believe Jewish Canadians are Canadians who are Jewish, or non-Canadians who happen to live in Canada, but belong somewhere else?

poo poo, that's a great way of putting it. I'm gonna start using that.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:03

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

Phigs posted:

Genuine question, not trying to justify attacking someone for wearing a Star of David, but is it even common for non-Zionist Jews to wear the Star of David? I thought it was basically equivalent to the Jesus Fish where it's technically a religious symbol but typically only people of a certain political persuasion would actually go around displaying it these days.

Again, even if it is mostly worn by Zionists that's no reason to go hating on someone who just happens to wear it.

I mean the saudis think the ottomans were basically infidels and even they use the star and crescent, which comes from the ottoman flag.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:05

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

WampaLord posted:

Welcome new poster to SA

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:06

Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

I keep hearing that I'm not immune to propaganda, but with every passing day I think I get a little closer

DTI DTA

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:08

PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/ArnoRosenfeld/status/1723033755818868740

What is the point of jstreet

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:11

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/ArnoRosenfeld/status/1723033755818868740

What is the point of jstreet

Laundering American/Israeli policy.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:13

speng31b: May 8, 2010

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/ArnoRosenfeld/status/1723033755818868740

What is the point of jstreet

peace bloc at the pro genocide rally

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:13

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Germany being nazis

AFP: The German Chancellor announces his rejection of an immediate ceasefire in Gaza

https://twitter.com/AlarabyTV/status/1723748342188953657?s=20

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:16

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

go for a stroll posted:

has anyone explained why a misfired qassam has 50x the yield of a regular one? why don't they make the whole barrage out of misfires?

Because it gains power from bombing baby icus you idiot

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:16

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

All the ICU patients in al-shifa are dead.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1723746313303474580?s=20

Urgent | Journalist Mustafa Sarsour from inside Al Shifa Hospital to Al Jazeera: Israeli drones sniped a number of civilians in the hospital courtyard

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1723749772744392880?s=20

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:17

fosborb: Dec 15, 2006; Chronic Good Poster

gently caress

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:21

Strep Vote: May 5, 2004; أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Sancho Banana posted:

The thing about Zionism is that it sought to change the meaning of being Jewish. The movement was spearheaded by weirdos who hated Yiddish, hated the Eastern European Jewish communities from whence they came, just hated Jewish culture and the diaspora in general. They wanted to reinvent jews from "the people of the book" to "the people of the sword." They wanted to cast away "the old jew" - religious, scholarly, "weak", and to make way for a "new jew" - the suntanned, strong, secular, hebrew speaking self reliant kibbutznik alpha male. They wanted jews to be first and foremost a race living in an ethnic homeland rather than a religious community, for whom the cultural/historical significance of Jewish traditions or holy sites is more important than their religious/spiritual significance.

Without the new, zionist conception of the Jewish people, I'm really not sure that the same paranoid, ethnonationalist talking points would still emerge. After all, if the jews have a safe, "soft" homeland in a territory that's found within another country or empire whose existence and borders they don't have to militarily defend themselves (proving that anti-semitism isn't some inexorable force of nature and they don't need to barricade themselves away from non-jews), and the jews within it don't view themselves as a fascist warrior-race defending the fatherland, why would they still think like that?

Perfect encapsulation of how Zionism is just fascism in a yarmulke. These people aren't believers in something greater than themselves because if they were they wouldn't be bombing hospitals. No, the only thing they believe in is themselves and their supremacy over others. They fear death because they, themselves, are all they think is real.

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:21

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Al-Saqr posted:

All the ICU patients in al-shifa are dead.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1723746313303474580?s=20

Urgent | Journalist Mustafa Sarsour from inside Al Shifa Hospital to Al Jazeera: Israeli drones sniped a number of civilians in the hospital courtyard

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1723749772744392880?s=20

Goddammit
Death to loving Israel

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:22

Spaced God: Feb 8, 2014; All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!

Al-Saqr posted:

All the ICU patients in al-shifa are dead.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1723746313303474580?s=20

Urgent | Journalist Mustafa Sarsour from inside Al Shifa Hospital to Al Jazeera: Israeli drones sniped a number of civilians in the hospital courtyard

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1723749772744392880?s=20

I'm just inclined to believe the Israelis just went in and shot them at this point

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:24

Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

Al-Saqr posted:

All the ICU patients in al-shifa are dead.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1723746313303474580?s=20

Urgent | Journalist Mustafa Sarsour from inside Al Shifa Hospital to Al Jazeera: Israeli drones sniped a number of civilians in the hospital courtyard

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1723749772744392880?s=20

May God drat Israel

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:24

Rabid Snake: Aug 6, 2004

Al-Saqr posted:

All the ICU patients in al-shifa are dead.

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1723746313303474580?s=20

Urgent | Journalist Mustafa Sarsour from inside Al Shifa Hospital to Al Jazeera: Israeli drones sniped a number of civilians in the hospital courtyard

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1723749772744392880?s=20

There has to be some kind of justice in the world loving poo poo

# ? Nov 12, 2023 18:24