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CombineThresher posted:Funk worked them unless it was a big spot, and his first punch of the match was always a live round to remind people not to gently caress with him. Funk was also punching them right in the middle of the forehead, as opposed to lower on the actual face where bad things can happen.
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Shard posted:Ivory was so jacked she ruled Dick Bastardly posted:I definitely remember being intimidated by her and I only felt that way about one other female wrestler at the time and that was Jacqueline (Chyna too I suppose). Ivory vs. Jacqueline would've been a pretty good match think, I don't recall if that match up ever happened though. Ivory (and Jacqueline too) both fuckin' owned and they existed in the wrong era of wrestling.
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Dick Bastardly posted:Who would be widely regarded as the stiffest in the ring in recent history (let's say... the past 30 years or so) I wonder? It's a crowded field once you get to Japan, but Katsuhiko Nakajima is notorious for sometimes just knocking his opponent the gently caress out with a kick or a strike. Edit: an example of this from when he legit concussed Tetsuya Endo. Not an easy watch. https://youtu.be/6UQAPcK_1mc?si=LMVB6fQwbsYGZw1a They cut just before the actual concussion but it was a hell of a blow. Lamuella fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Nov 9, 2023 |
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Bonk posted:Fans were also conditioned for decades to believe "3 minute matches = sucks" and "not on main TV show = sucks", and it's hard to shake that mentality since fans of the biggest company in the world still buy into it. But if you ever see Dark/ROH jobbers from the past few years in their home promotions, some of them will blow your mind.
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davidbix posted:This and things like it still happen, BTW. This year alone, I've heard stories of one rookie woman working prominent indies before she learned how to properly bump, another getting a concussion because she was unprepared for basic highspots because her school had babied her through training because they thought she had a look...stuff like that. Follow-up question for the thread in general: are there any notable examples of anything similar happening with men? I've heard about Vampiro having really limited training because everyone in Mexico thought he was dreamy and that was enough, but there has to be more examples than that. (I will also accept a better explanation of Vampiro's deal, because I only kind of remember it.)
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Follow-up question for the thread in general: are there any notable examples of anything similar happening with men? I've heard about Vampiro having really limited training because everyone in Mexico thought he was dreamy and that was enough, but there has to be more examples than that. Not on the "being dreamy" side, but there were certainly guys who were rushed out too fast because they had a hell of a look. The cohort of Power Plant trainees that included Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, and Chuck Palumbo were definitely being pushed out the moment they could do a vague approximation of working because they had exactly the builds that WCW wanted.
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Lamuella posted:Not on the "being dreamy" side, but there were certainly guys who were rushed out too fast because they had a hell of a look. The cohort of Power Plant trainees that included Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, and Chuck Palumbo were definitely being pushed out the moment they could do a vague approximation of working because they had exactly the builds that WCW wanted. Jade was rushed out the minute she wasn't an obvious danger to her self and others.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Follow-up question for the thread in general: are there any notable examples of anything similar happening with men? I've heard about Vampiro having really limited training because everyone in Mexico thought he was dreamy and that was enough, but there has to be more examples than that. Konnan did not have proper training either.
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MassRafTer posted:Konnan did not have proper training either. That I did not know.
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Defenestrategy posted:That I did not know. Konnan was introduced to the business by a guy who called himself "The World Champion" and later turned out to be a fan.
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MassRafTer posted:Konnan was introduced to the business by a guy who called himself "The World Champion" and later turned out to be a fan. I assume he actually got training before Vince gave him a giant blue robosuit with blasters[sold seperately]
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History Comes Inside! posted:I feel like someone actually did a shoot and said they were fake old lady boobs though so maybe it’s ok! not sure of the reasoning but yea they were prosthetics
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MassRafTer posted:Konnan was introduced to the business by a guy who called himself "The World Champion" and later turned out to be a fan.
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davidbix posted:He didn't immediately start wrestling, though. He got hooked up with Rey Misterio Sr. and trained in the same class as Rey Jr. and Psicosis (and Cassandro, when he was around, since he lived in Juarez) before he actually had a match. Yeah, Konnan had to admit to a promoter that he'd never wrestled after said fan hyped him up as this seasoned guy who'd worked in the US. Once that happened, he was introduced to Rey Sr. Nikita Koloff very famously was put on TV right out of the gym because they needed another Russian on TV and, well, look at him. He admits to being trained on the job and had no idea what the hell he was doing early on.
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CombineThresher posted:Nikita Koloff very famously was put on TV right out of the gym because they needed another Russian on TV and, well, look at him. He admits to being trained on the job and had no idea what the hell he was doing early on. Super lucky in hindsight he got put in there to ride with an industry vet like Ivan.
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I wonder when the transition from "Pay a guy $500 to learn how to lock up and bump and the rest is all on the job training" to dedicated academies occured. I'd guess the 90s once Vince killed kayfabe and you could openly advertise a wrestling school, but I'd be curious if it happened earlier.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I wonder when the transition from "Pay a guy $500 to learn how to lock up and bump and the rest is all on the job training" to dedicated academies occured. I'd guess the 90s once Vince killed kayfabe and you could openly advertise a wrestling school, but I'd be curious if it happened earlier. People like Dominic DeNucci were running reputable schools at least a decade before that.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'd guess the 90s once Vince killed kayfabe and you could openly advertise a wrestling school, but I'd be curious if it happened earlier. I don’t think there’s anything inherently kayfabe-breaking about advertising that you run a wrestling school. Even legit athletes need to be trained.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I wonder when the transition from "Pay a guy $500 to learn how to lock up and bump and the rest is all on the job training" to dedicated academies occured. I'd guess the 90s once Vince killed kayfabe and you could openly advertise a wrestling school, but I'd be curious if it happened earlier. High quality wrestling schools were around as early as the 1930s, possibly earlier.
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If your trainer didn't shoot break your legs on the first day to make sure you respected the business did you even go to wrestling school
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the Wigan Snakepit was afaik one of the best wrestling schools in the world in the 50s and 60s despite being in the middle of Wigan
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Venomous posted:the Wigan Snakepit was afaik one of the best wrestling schools in the world in the 50s and 60s despite being in the middle of Wigan Meat me in the Wigan Snakepit.
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little munchkin posted:not sure of the reasoning but yea they were prosthetics more mentally scarring than actual old lady boobs somehow
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It is pretty funny to see him in his very early TV appearances, all he does is stand in the background and look mean while there's a promo being cut. quote:In 1984, Simpson was going to try out for the USFL when Road Warrior Animal, a professional wrestler from the Minnesota area, called him to ask him to become a professional wrestler. Simpson decided to go with wrestling and was told to shave his head bald and to show up. Jim Crockett, Jr., the promoter of the NWA's Jim Crockett Promotions, renamed him "Nikita Koloff", the Russian Nightmare, and teamed him with "uncle" Ivan Koloff and Don Kernodle, a turncoat American. Koloff was briefly trained by Eddie Sharkey.[2] He debuted on June 5, 1984, and won his first match in 13 seconds, with the only edict from Crockett being that should Koloff trip on the ropes, he would be fired on the spot lol
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If I remember the progression was Jacqueline getting her shirt ripped off at a UK PPV, then Miss Kitty (remember when Lawler quit over her firing? And he met her when she was eighteen and he was forty?) took off her top at another UK PPV, and finally Mae Young removed her top during a swimsuit competition at the Royal Rumble.
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Dick Bastardly posted:more mentally scarring than actual old lady boobs somehow Yeah the genuine reasoning was probably “old lady boobs are just boobs we want this to look as gross as possible”
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Lamuella posted:People like Dominic DeNucci were running reputable schools at least a decade before that. Yeah, and in the 80's Larry Sharpe's Monster Factory was going strong. I think Bam Bam was the first wrestler I heard being trained at <blank> school in the Apter mags instead of trained by a certain wrestler. The Factory's still open but somebody else runs it now, obviously.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:If I remember the progression was Jacqueline getting her shirt ripped off at a UK PPV, then Miss Kitty (remember when Lawler quit over her firing? And he met her when she was eighteen and he was forty?) took off her top at another UK PPV, and finally Mae Young removed her top during a swimsuit competition at the Royal Rumble. IIRC Miss Kitty removed her top at a PPV in the US, maybe a SummerSlam or something because I feel like it was after a pool party or bikini contest or something?
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I was under the impression they kept doing it in the UK because there wouldn't be as big of an issue, and then used a seventy year old woman with prosthetics in the US.
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little munchkin posted:not sure of the reasoning but yea they were prosthetics They were doing a There’s Something About Mary bit with the fake old lady boobs.
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Ganso Bomb posted:IIRC Miss Kitty removed her top at a PPV in the US, maybe a SummerSlam or something because I feel like it was after a pool party or bikini contest or something? Wasn’t that the uk Armageddon show? There was a match involving a pool of water or something because I vaguely remember her being soaking wet at the time and it was a good excuse to have someone with a towel dive on her immediately.
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It was Armageddon, but that wasn’t a UK show. I’ve heard that she did that on her own without prior approval, but I don’t know that I actually buy it.
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Diabolik900 posted:It was Armageddon, but that wasn’t a UK show. I’ve heard that she did that on her own without prior approval, but I don’t know that I actually buy it. There was a security guy or something there immediately to cover her up with a towel so I’d be skeptical of believing she just decided to do it on her own
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It was Sgt Slaughter. And the story I’ve heard is that we weren’t actually supposed to see anything but Slaughter was late with the towel. Whoops!
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Grendels Dad posted:Meat me in the Wigan Snakepit. What if we kissed in the Wigan Snakepit?
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TL posted:What if we kissed in the Wigan Snakepit? Billy Robinson would beat the poo poo out of you.
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CombineThresher posted:Billy Robinson would beat the poo poo out of you. Why? Does Billy hate love or something?
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Nystral posted:Why? Does Billy hate love or something? Love has no place in the Snake Pit, only violence and smack barm pea wet.
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The UK show was Insurrexion. Kat arm wrestled Terri Runnels. I vaguely remember watching because it was a rare UK PPV. Found this: "Post-match, Terri yanked off The Kat's top. Unphased, Kat flashed her puppies to the entire Earls Court Arena."
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