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LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Big Mean Jerk posted:

You don’t get to post like a condescending rear end
I'm not, friend-o. When people respond in ways out of step with what I feel I've tried to say, I usually assume I've hosed up and rephrase my post to closer align to what I believe, attempting to remove colorful metaphors and hyperbole or replacing them with ones I hope are clearer, but often when I do this, people assume I think they're idiots who can't understand my very simple point or whatever.

Open Source Idiom posted:

It's lividliquid. She's just really angry all the time.
I'm really not. I just speak in ways average people have difficulty parsing and have an angry avatar.

Funny thing about that: years ago, I changed it to a happy face in the glass of water and people responded to me very, very differently.

Sometimes I do get frustrated when these miscommunications happen, though, because I feel like I'm being very clear and it's impossible to tell who just needs further clarification, who understands just fine but disagrees, and who's performatively misunderstanding me to win an argument and if I get to the point that I think it's the latter, I will take the gloves off from time to time.

McGann posted:

Let me just say as an outside observer, this did look a lot like people misread the intent of the original post. Which was better phrased above by Senator Tron.
Much better. I agree completely. I think my point would've landed a lot better if I compared it to the two different types of Mad Men fans.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Diabolik900 posted:

The articles main source is apparently saying he was misrepresented.

https://twitter.com/drwhopodcasters/status/1723388160866943358

All I know is that there are existing episodes out there I can't see, and that makes me sad, so please whatever parties are involved just sort it out and make it so I can see the existing episodes thank you very much :kiddo:

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Okay I think Pandorica is the episode where I'm officially tired of the Doctor making intimidation rolls based on reputation. Not clever, not cute anymore, also the Doctor is pretty easy to kill like it happens every couple seasons, take your shot! edit: ok yeah I forgot it was a trap

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Nov 12, 2023

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Khanstant posted:

Okay I think Pandorica is the episode where I'm officially tired of the Doctor making intimidation rolls based on reputation. Not clever, not cute anymore, also the Doctor is pretty easy to kill like it happens every couple seasons, take your shot! edit: ok yeah I forgot it was a trap

Look the last time a Dalek rolled up and just shot the Doctor he split into two different guys, anybody would be a little gun-shy after that

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

First two



Then three



Then four...

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The fact they used that wax work of Tom Baker for the end of Day of the Doctor still cracks me up :allears:

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!


Oh, their outfits being T-shirts is just wonderful.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Random Stranger posted:

Apparently two more lost episodes have been confirmed! Except they're in the hands of a private collector who refuses to let anyone see them.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/11/lost-doctor-who-episodes-found-owner-reluctant-to-hand-them-to-bbc

Sounds like one of the episodes is part of The Dalek's Master Plan, too...

It's been mentioned elsewhere that there may be up to five or six missing eps in private collections, but no one is willing to part with them

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Davros1 posted:

It's been mentioned elsewhere that there may be up to five or six missing eps in private collections, but no one is willing to part with them

Has anybody explained that I want to watch them?

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Jerusalem posted:

Has anybody explained that I want to watch them?

But what do they get out of it?

Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Davros1 posted:

But what do they get out of it?

People's gratitude, which doesn't line their pockets with money or add to their collection of stolen goods

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Davros1 posted:

But what do they get out of it?

That I get to watch the episodes! Everybody wins! :)

Coward
Sep 10, 2009

I say we take off and surrender unconditionally from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure



.
If it helps, I'd like to watch them too. Double the value, there.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
It just seems so incredibly strange that they are keeping them hidden and I don't understand why.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

gently caress the rich.

Wait. That idiom is too ambiguous.

Nobody ever gently caress anybody who's rich.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

McGann posted:

OODUNIT - quite fun. I still don't quite understand the context of the earth empire Torchwood and feel I may have missed some stories(I have listened to archive and a couple others but it's vague memory), but I like the Zachary Cross character. And I really always enjoy having a good Ood story - and James Goss is never a miss for me, so I definitely recommend it.

Yeah, this was quite good.

They've yet to actively define what Empire era Torchwood's role is, but my guess is that they're an officially sanctioned, reputable branch of the Imperial Court, and that they seem to divide their duties between archival work and being the areligious, less racist Inquisitors from 40K. Their role in this story seems to be specifically about maintaining the ongoing function on the Empire's slave classes.

I thought it was interesting that official investigations are usually two person groups, and always include a slave.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

LividLiquid posted:

gently caress the rich.

Wait. That idiom is too ambiguous.

Nobody ever gently caress anybody who's rich.

They have ways around that, Elon Musk has like ten kids and he's never hosed in his entire life

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Confusedslight posted:

It just seems so incredibly strange that they are keeping them hidden and I don't understand why.

Because it's something they have that other people can't have. Some people just want that buzz of knowing that. There's a cache in being in with the in crowd that you can't buy.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Confusedslight posted:

It just seems so incredibly strange that they are keeping them hidden and I don't understand why.

There's certain collectors of media who prefer a dragon's hoard rather than preservation. They like that they have something precious that no one else is can see. It's fucky lovely both on a personal level and in terms of preventing things from being lost.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Open Source Idiom posted:

Yeah, this was quite good.

They've yet to actively define what Empire era Torchwood's role is, but my guess is that they're an officially sanctioned, reputable branch of the Imperial Court, and that they seem to divide their duties between archival work and being the areligious, less racist Inquisitors from 40K. Their role in this story seems to be specifically about maintaining the ongoing function on the Empire's slave classes.

I thought it was interesting that official investigations are usually two person groups, and always include a slave.

Good point, that checks out. I kind of like the idea of an official Torchwood, would love to see the timeline but don't really look forward to them boxing themselves in. I'm tempted to do a little digging to find other stories relating, besides the couple I own. The fact that it's the Torchwood range makes me believe the overall quality is probably going to be more consistent, so I feel better safer grabbing any random audio.

Who would everyone say is their favorite big finish writer? I'm definitely going to choose James Goss.

Author is actually why I chose Blood on Satan's Claw without remembering much - it's by Nev Fountain, who also did Kingmaker.

I should have realized when noticing he is using an alias for this box set that it probably wasn't the same quality as king maker

Edit also lol I almost listed spare parts but I couldn't remember 100% if it was taking place during the holiday season. Now it all floods back.

poo poo, I'm adding it to my list. Can't have a merry Christmas without experiencing the a bit of body horror amirite??

McGann fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Nov 12, 2023

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

McGann posted:

Good point, that checks out. I kind of like the idea of an official Torchwood, would love to see the timeline but don't really look forward to them boxing themselves in. I'm tempted to do a little digging to find other stories relating, besides the couple I own. The fact that it's the Torchwood range makes me believe the overall quality is probably going to be more consistent, so I feel better safer grabbing any random audio.

Who would everyone say is their favorite big finish writer? I'm definitely going to choose James Goss.

Author is actually why I chose Blood on Satan's Claw without remembering much - it's by Nev Fountain, who also did Kingmaker.

I should have realized when noticing he is using an alias for this box set that it probably wasn't the same quality as king maker

Edit also lol I almost listed spare parts but I couldn't remember 100% if it was taking place during the holiday season. Now it all floods back.

poo poo, I'm adding it to my list. Can't have a merry Christmas without experiencing the a bit of body horror amirite??

Christmas wouldn't be christmas.

Edit: to the question of favourite Big Finish writer, he has a rough start with Blood Tide and Flip Flop but Jonathan Morris gets some serious points from me for Cobwebs and The Eternal Summer. And I know he's not written anything for them for an age but it's got to be Shearman hasn't it? The closest thing he has to a miss is that one of his story shares a CD with a bloody awful Joseph Lidster miseryporn story.

Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Nov 12, 2023

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

McGann posted:

Who would everyone say is their favorite big finish writer? I'm definitely going to choose James Goss.

Goss and Fountain both write good stuff. Goss in particular has an absurdly high hit rate for how much he writes. David O'Mahoney is excellent, best writer no-one knows about. Up there with Shearman, if a different stripe.

Jonathan Clements and Marc Platt are very good. Eddie Robson too. John Dorney is good, though less so that the others IMO. Simon Guerrier is good too.

With the provisio that most of these people wrote their best work either under Gary Russell or in the side ranges.

McGann posted:

Author is actually why I chose Blood on Satan's Claw without remembering much - it's by Nev Fountain, who also did Kingmaker.

I should have realized when noticing he is using an alias for this box set that it probably wasn't the same quality as king maker

It's just a gag, it'll make more sense when the set is complete.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Tim Foley and Lisa McMullin are quite good.

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Fil5000 posted:

Christmas wouldn't be christmas.

Edit: to the question of favourite Big Finish writer, he has a rough start with Blood Tide and Flip Flop but Jonathan Morris gets some serious points from me for Cobwebs and The Eternal Summer. And I know he's not written anything for them for an age but it's got to be Shearman hasn't it? The closest thing he has to a miss is that one of his story shares a CD with a bloody awful Joseph Lidster miseryporn story.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Goss and Fountain both write good stuff. Goss in particular has an absurdly high hit rate for how much he writes. David O'Mahoney is excellent, best writer no-one knows about. Up there with Shearman, if a different stripe.

Jonathan Clements and Marc Platt are very good. Eddie Robson too. John Dorney is good, though less so that the others IMO. Simon Guerrier is good too.

With the provisio that most of these people wrote their best work either under Gary Russell or in the side ranges.

It's just a gag, it'll make more sense when the set is complete.

Good call - I forgot about Shearman entirely. I never connected the fact that he wrote Chimes, Jubilee AND Holy Terror - I only really remember the Jubilee/Dalek connection. I actually believed (for some reason) he was the writer of Live 34 as well, but that appears to be wrong.

Eddie Robson may actually be tied for #1 now that I think about it. His stories are instant buys for me, and I've mentioned many times how much I adore the Unbound combo hit of Sympathy for the Devil/Masters of War. I just gave those two another re-listen a couple weeks ago, actually.


...but speaking of Live 34 - it appears the author(s) (James Parsons/Andrew Stirling-Brown) have only really contributed to BF a few times. The I, Davros series (great), the aforementioned Live 34(great), a Bennie audiobook (IDK), and a couple Six stories (I don't remember them).

I know I've listened to their Six output, Rossiter (the character) and Evelyn are a fun pairing, but I don't really remember this one:

quote:

1.1 The Headless Ones by James Parsons and Andrew Stirling-Brown
When a distress call from an unknown source threatens to rip the TARDIS from the vortex, the Doctor and Peri arrive in nineteenth-century Africa hoping to find the cause of the disturbance. Instead, they meet a British expedition searching for a long lost tribe: the B’lemyae... better known to the locals as the Headless Ones.

I am tempted to dig it out since I know I have it somewhere, just to see how well they handled this particular subject...which I'd expect most authors to gently caress up royally, but based on the subtext work in the previous stories I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

McGann posted:

...but speaking of Live 34 - it appears the author(s) (James Parsons/Andrew Stirling-Brown) have only really contributed to BF a few times. The I, Davros series (great), the aforementioned Live 34(great), a Bennie audiobook (IDK), and a couple Six stories (I don't remember them).

I know I've listened to their Six output, Rossiter (the character) and Evelyn are a fun pairing, but I don't really remember this one:

Those are Paul Sutton, I believe. And I think Clements wrote Sympathy For The Devil.

The Headless Ones is exactly what you'd expect, and also slow.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

LividLiquid posted:

Funny thing about that: years ago, I changed it to a happy face in the glass of water and people responded to me very, very differently.

Well, your username isn't HappyLiquid, is it? Checkmate, liberals. :smug:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
https://twitter.com/thewhodivision/status/1723733405160886589?s=46

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
BbC iPlayer Audio Description takes some getting used to. They don't use a consistent person episode to episode, easy enough to get used to but the weird things is when they drip in AD, they first lower volume of show, speak, then return volume. ive been watching AD on shows for years and never experience anyone else doing that and it's pretty jarring, it happens before they speak as well so for a second it seems like you've had an audio glitch or gone underwater somehow.

edit: Also they asked me for a postcode which I gave a random one between london and birmingham and then they asked me if I had a TV licence. I said yes and they accepted it, didn't even ask to see my license number or anything lol.

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 12, 2023

McGann
May 19, 2003

Get up you son of a bitch! 'Cause Mickey loves you!

Open Source Idiom posted:

Those are Paul Sutton, I believe. And I think Clements wrote Sympathy For The Devil.

The Headless Ones is exactly what you'd expect, and also slow.

That explains why Masters of War is the superior story of the two. I just assumed they were both him I guess.

Huh. You're right about Sutton, though - the problem is the Big Finish website erroneously credits some stories to authors who have no involvement (and then there's the matter of multiple authors/box sets...).

So, I began wondering if Parsons/Stirling-Brown was some sort of pseudonym as I can't find much on the web. But it appears Parsons has some other books to his credit, alone. So i have no idea. I just wanted to share my temporary confusion as I tried to fact check myself earlier.

Well hell, anybody got recommendations for Clements? Curious to hear another one with the fresh context that he wrote one of my favorite stories (it's probably down to Warner/Gatiss - as I said, the second outing "Masters of War" is far superior a story - but how much of that is due to it being a sequel with more runtime allotted/etc/being early days Unbound). I do enjoy the UNIT series and he did Snake Head, I was not a big fan of his Klein story contribution but I may also be mixing it up with some of the other lesser Klein stories - the synopsis didn't jar any memories unfortunately. Also enjoyed the Key2Time arc but again, not sure that was his particular story or just overall..

So, yea - suggestions. I just finished a re-listen of Goodbye Piccadilly and have some upcoming drive time. Hulp!

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Sadly, Clements best stuff was his 2000AD stories, which BF no longer sells. (I *Heart* Judge Dredd, 99 Code Red! Pre-Emptive Revenge, Fire From Heaven).

His Eight and Lucie story "Brave New Town" is good.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Davros1 posted:

Sadly, Clements best stuff was his 2000AD stories, which BF no longer sells. (I *Heart* Judge Dredd, 99 Code Red! Pre-Emptive Revenge, Fire From Heaven).

His Eight and Lucie story "Brave New Town" is good.

Yeah, this is true. His Benny is quite good as well.

But tbh I think Sympathy For The Devil is the better of the two Warner Unbounds. Clements is a published historian and commercial translator who's done a lot of culture writing, and there's a strong angle in that story concerning Doctor Who's history of cultural imperialism and implicit racism ("Pol Pott killed every Doctor he could find, and none of them were you!") that's handled better than pretty much any other of the (vanishingly few) Who stories that even approach that material. There's nothing in Masters of War that I found nearly as interesting, it's basically a riff on an unpublished take on a first draft version of The Mutants.

Even his Key2Time story goes there, mashing up British pantomime with Shin Megami Tensei (of all the loving things) to fairly great effect.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
So what I'm hearing is, we need to come up with a heist to obtain these privately owned episodes.

Doctors Eleven?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
A Time Heist, if you will.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Children in Need scene! We’re properly back, baby!

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1724004190177861829

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Seeing Eddie Robson's name on a Big Finish audio is usually a seal of quality for sure. Human Resources is one of my favorite Cybermen stories ever, it captures them in exactly the way I've always wanted to see them written.


That's great but also I keep being distracted by how loving cool those shoes are.

Confusedslight
Jan 9, 2020
Ive yet to be disappointed by a John Dorney big finish.

https://twitter.com/EveryMeep/status/1724046411811926079?s=20

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Confusedslight posted:

Ive yet to be disappointed by a John Dorney big finish.]

Guessing you've not heard the story he wrote where he plays John, a work from home writer that murders all his neighbours because they're very annoying.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



The_Doctor posted:

Children in Need scene! We’re properly back, baby!

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1724004190177861829

That guy (not Tennant) is wearing a Kaled uniform

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Mawaan Riswan is a treasure and a delight, so I’m glad he’s in Who. Maybe it’s a bit from a larger thing?

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Vinylshadow
Mar 20, 2017

Explaining why there won't be Daleks in the upcoming series, perhaps?

This way they at least show up as a technicality

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