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Doltos posted:QBR is EPA divided by "action plays" which is any play they deem as more important than normal downs and it makes me angry how bad of a stat it is but that will trigger Blarzgh from his slumber Doltos I honestly think it’s kind of an intriguing idea. That the old system where the max was 158.3 rated, and gave the QB equal credit for both of these plays: 1) first quarter of a scoreless tie. WR runs a go route, gets separation, QB hits him in stride for a 50 yard TD 2) last five minutes of a game, our QB is down 40-6. He completes a three-yard screen-type pass to an RB, there are a couple of missed tackles, a couple of good moves, and the RB takes it 47 more yards for a 50 yard TD The old system they’ve used since the early 70s gives the QB the same score or points for both plays, whereas the newer QBR system gives a lot more credit to the QB for the first example, than it does the second. Although, I have no earthly idea how they tabulate this. ESPN staffers analyzing every single pass thrown by every QB in every game?
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Nov 14, 2023 01:36
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Passing is only one part of what a qb does
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Nov 14, 2023 01:37
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my god these past two pages are just a greatest hits catalog
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Nov 14, 2023 01:45
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Toaster Beef posted:my god these past two pages are just a greatest hits catalog They are missing the greatest hit of all: gently caress the Cowboys.
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Nov 14, 2023 01:50
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MrMojok posted:Although, I have no earthly idea how they tabulate this. Yeah, QBR is derived from the play by play data and run through whatever EPA and WP formula ESPN uses. As I understand it, the QB's EPA is down weighted on plays where his team's win probability meets a garbage time threshold. The newer QBR is probably fine as an additional measuring stick for QB efficiency, but it will inherently measure some things outside the QB's control. Like throwing an interception will logically result in negative EPA, but the defense returning it for six is mostly random chance. QBR will grade the unlucky QB more harshly in that instance.
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Nov 14, 2023 01:50
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Toaster Beef posted:my god these past two pages are just a greatest hits catalog Yes they have been, especially because the bottom graphic has my main man Toño Romo tied for 14th-best single season QBR ever 
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Nov 14, 2023 01:50
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MrMojok posted:Doltos I honestly think it’s kind of an intriguing idea. That the old system where the max was 158.3 rated, and gave the QB equal credit for both of these plays: The issue I have with this is I don't believe that they analyze every single pass equally. I have a hard time believing that subjective analysis of a play by multiple outsiders can be of the same constant quality or interpretation. I think also the war against early quarter/down stats and garbage time are bad for stats in general. Either everything counts or nothing counts if you're doing a measurement of what happened in a game. I think that anyone who gives Blarzgh crap about not believing in intangibles should also believe in the intangibles of running up a score or 'wasting' early possessions tiring out defenses.
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Nov 14, 2023 01:56
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Doltos posted:The issue I have with this is I don't believe that they analyze every single pass equally. I have a hard time believing that subjective analysis of a play by multiple outsiders can be of the same constant quality or interpretation. Yeah, it all comes from this urge to find a single stat that will tell you if a given football player is good or not with unerring accuracy and in complete isolation, without having to look at any surrounding context. And that's impossible.
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Nov 14, 2023 02:00
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That stat exists though
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Nov 14, 2023 02:01
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euphronius posted:That stat exists though Is that wins or rings?
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Nov 14, 2023 02:03
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Rings factor in League office intervention heavily so wins are more pure
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Nov 14, 2023 02:04
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Just win baby
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Nov 14, 2023 02:22
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QBR isn’t even like a real stat, it’s just make believe numbers for nerds.
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Nov 14, 2023 02:25
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One thing that can't be disputed is that the cowboys have handled the poo poo teams exactly how you'd expect and the eagles have been gasping for air just to beat them and even losing to Zach wilson.Wilson.Doltos posted:The issue I have with this is I don't believe that they analyze every single pass equally. I have a hard time believing that subjective analysis of a play by multiple outsiders can be of the same constant quality or interpretation. Game context shouldn't matter? This is loving intangibles erasure!
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Nov 14, 2023 03:44
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Zack is the best qb in the nfce don’t spoil his name
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Nov 14, 2023 03:46
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It wasn’t NFCE and I don’t know if any of you were watching it, but we just had one of the alltime great clownball games on MNF. If you didn’t see it, trust me… check out the highlights.
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Nov 14, 2023 05:55
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It was a very nfce ending that’s for sure
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Nov 14, 2023 05:57
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https://twitter.com/ConnorNFLDraft/status/1724080051598000273?t=AindZIW5Jdzy633VWUdnTw&s=19
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Nov 14, 2023 06:13
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:It was a very nfce ending that’s for sure I am still sitting here like an hour later thinking, “There is no way I saw what I just saw. That just cannot have really happened.”
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Nov 14, 2023 06:16
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I sometimes wonder if some of yall even like football.
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Nov 14, 2023 18:00
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I love football I'm wondering when my team will play it again
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Nov 14, 2023 18:14
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Watching a lot of high school football really reinvigorated my love of the game. The nfl does a pretty good job. They need to get rid of “instant” replay and about half the commercials tho.
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Nov 14, 2023 18:15
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Sickening posted:I sometimes wonder if some of yall even like football. Its great except when the Cowboys are on, then its only great if they’re losing. HTH
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Nov 14, 2023 19:30
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Cash Monet posted:they're a top 5 offense this year with Big Mike and Brian Schottenheimer running the show. statistically sure, which lets you know the value of those statistics. not a single one of us cowboys fans post "wow this top five offense is really cruising!!" during a (non-Giants) game, it's all accurate criticisms and handwringing about play design and sequencing and all that poo poo. the fact that they're top five statistically is laughable MrMojok posted:Thread favorite Carson Wentz coming in at #19! again, this is more illustrative of how trustworthy football stats are than the quality of those seasons (Garrard at 7 lol)
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Nov 14, 2023 20:13
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People say “top 5 offense”but what do they mean by that ?
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Nov 14, 2023 20:14
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indigi posted:
I had to look that up. He started twelve games that season (they were 9-3 during those games) and threw 18 TDs to only 3 INTs, which is pretty decent. 7.7 yards per attempt. He also averaged only about 200 yards passing per game. 
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Nov 14, 2023 20:22
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euphronius posted:People say “top 5 offense”but what do they mean by that ? I was referring to scoring. They finished 4th last year and are 2nd right now. Fake E: I was looking at total points but for offensive points scored they finished top 5 last year and are top 5 right now. Cash Monet fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Nov 14, 2023 20:40
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MrMojok posted:It wasn’t NFCE and I don’t know if any of you were watching it, but we just had one of the alltime great clownball games on MNF.
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Nov 14, 2023 20:44
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Asproigerosis posted:One thing that can't be disputed is that the cowboys have handled the poo poo teams exactly how you'd expect and the eagles have been gasping for air just to beat them and even losing to Zach wilson. I’d like to revisit this conversation after the upcoming Thanksgiving Clownbowl between the Commanders and Cowboys.
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Nov 14, 2023 20:56
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Ok say scoring then. I don't think scoring is a 1:1 replacement for "offense". Offense is also keeping the other team from scoring for example.
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Nov 14, 2023 21:01
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Dak passes well (ignoring interceptions) and the Dallas offense scores points when hes the QB. That is true. Do we finally have consensus???
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Nov 14, 2023 21:02
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I wish the Cowboys could play the Giants forever
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Nov 14, 2023 21:24
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Cartoon Man posted:I’d like to revisit this conversation after the upcoming Thanksgiving Clownbowl between the Commanders and Cowboys. no joke. Absolute upset potential
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Nov 14, 2023 21:54
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euphronius posted:Ok say scoring then. I don't think scoring is a 1:1 replacement for "offense". Offense is also keeping the other team from scoring for example. Oh poo poo tthis poor guy has been turning the TV off when the eagles punt or score, he doesn't know that they have a defense who also plays half the game Its almost magical, that he's going to discover a whole world of football (defenses) that he's never seen before!
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Nov 14, 2023 21:58
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What is the better offense for team A Scenario 1 Team A wins 21-17 Scenario 2 Team A loses 24-31 Assume all points are scored by offenses (The answer is Scenario 1)
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Nov 14, 2023 22:01
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Stopping the other team from scoring is the second most important thing an offense can do overall At some points of a game it is the most important thing an offense can do
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Nov 14, 2023 22:03
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blarzgh posted:Oh poo poo tthis poor guy has been turning the TV off when the eagles punt or score, he doesn't know that they have a defense who also plays half the game From watching the Eagles offense against the Cowboys, I think anyone could be forgiven for assuming defense doesn't exist
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Nov 14, 2023 22:15
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Black Lighter posted:From watching the Eagles offense against the Cowboys, I think anyone could be forgiven for assuming defense doesn't exist Heyooo!
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Nov 14, 2023 22:27
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euphronius posted:Stopping the other team from scoring is the second most important thing an offense can do overall The offense doesn't play defense, Time of Possession is a consequence of successful offense, not an objective. It is a myth that Defenses who are 'rested' have any advantage - there is no evidence that a defense is any more or less successful following a lengthy offensive possession.
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