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https://twitter.com/sgowsmith1988/status/1723638794342281479?s=20 Not a great update...
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https://twitter.com/MFATNZ/status/1723798852044537884?s=20 Some kiwis have made it out of Gaza last night.
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Nov 13, 2023 01:10
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i've been (probs delusionally) wondering if nz has been holding off criticism until our citizens are out – israel isn't letting brazilians leave gaza because their govt said war crimes are bad
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Nov 13, 2023 06:37
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We currently have a caretaker government, so holding any particular strong stance is unlikely. Luxon and Co are totally going to suck up to the US. I expect they will acknowledge war crimes are bad and both sides it.
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Nov 13, 2023 06:48
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if there's one thing luxon knows how to do it's avoiding talking about war crimes
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Nov 13, 2023 07:06
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Yeah nah well actually I'm here to talk about kiwi mum and dad investors
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Nov 13, 2023 07:11
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Well, we're about to have former mercenary Mark Mitchell as Minister of Defence again, I'm sure he can give an expert opinion.
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Nov 13, 2023 07:12
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To be honest I am glad we have a care taker government at the moment. I have zero faith that Luxon would say anything helpful to anybody except maybe the Israeli lobby that I didn't know we had until recently.
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Nov 13, 2023 07:34
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It's not as if this caretaker govt has been neutral on this whole thing, their stance is disgusting. They have a definite opinion on the matter and it's not much better than what luxons stance is gonna be.
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Nov 13, 2023 08:18
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They do have to consult with luxon on statements and such.
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Nov 13, 2023 08:25
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Remember the shitstorm when Mossad got caught stealing NZ identities for passports? Luxon would probably just give them to them free of charge.
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Confusedslight posted:They do have to consult with luxon on statements and such. Have to? Or, are doing so as a courtesy to an incoming govt on the hopes that when the roles are reversed the same courtesy is extended to them? I think they are being cowards, either way.
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Nov 13, 2023 08:42
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I personally think Hipkins is not planning on sticking through the whole term. This gives him the prime opportunity to attend OPEC, publicly condemn Israel's actions in Gaza and declare a war against the ocean. It's not like he has a political future to sacrifice.
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Nov 13, 2023 08:57
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klen dool posted:Have to? Or, are doing so as a courtesy to an incoming govt on the hopes that when the roles are reversed the same courtesy is extended to them? I mean, depends on how seriously you take the Cabinet Manual. 6.29 Where it is clear which party or parties will form the next government but Ministers have not yet been appointed, the outgoing government should: (a) undertake no new policy initiatives; and (b) act on the advice of the incoming government on any matter of such constitutional, economic, or other significance that it cannot be delayed until the new government formally takes office—even if the outgoing government disagrees with the course of action proposed. Yes, it's convention and not legislation, but a surprising amount of how our Government runs is via convention and not legislation.
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Nov 13, 2023 09:27
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Project M.A.M.I.L. posted:Remember the shitstorm when Mossad got caught stealing NZ identities for passports? Luxon would probably just give them to them free of charge. Which time? I remember the one where the guy got busted trying to obtain the passports. The Israel Institute NZ pretty much screamed Helen Clark was being antisemitic when he was prosecuted. Then there were the backpackers killed in the CHCH Earthquakes who were carrying multiple different passports.
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Nov 13, 2023 09:29
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cptn_dr posted:I mean, depends on how seriously you take the Cabinet Manual. Yeah look I'm not having a go at you but recognising and condemning an ongoing genocide cannot cannot cannot be hindered by mere convention, I don't care how deeply held or relied upon it is. That's a moral judgement of course on my part. If ever there was a time to defy convention, surely it's now. Hipkins either lacks the courage to defy convention, or believes what he is saying, and both options suck.
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Varkk posted:Which time? Whoa I didn't know about the earthquake one, I meant the first one.
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klen dool posted:Yeah look I'm not having a go at you but recognising and condemning an ongoing genocide cannot cannot cannot be hindered by mere convention, I don't care how deeply held or relied upon it is. That's a moral judgement of course on my part. If ever there was a time to defy convention, surely it's now. Sorry, yeah, I wasn't even really disagreeing with you, I was just pointing out that even if it's not strictly speaking a law, it just might as well be. klen dool posted:Hipkins either lacks the courage to defy convention, or believes what he is saying, and both options suck.
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Nov 13, 2023 20:02
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treaty referendum incomingquote:Senior New Zealand First MP Shane Jones made supportive remarks about Act leader David Seymour’s approach to the issue of the Treaty of Waitangi this morning, saying there would be a “reset” in Māori policy under the new Government. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/polit...TOZQHI73Z5HU5I/
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Nov 14, 2023 05:58
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A 'reset' being full restoration of all Maori land, right? They can give pakeha back their muskets and blankets.
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klen dool posted:It's not as if this caretaker govt has been neutral on this whole thing, their stance is disgusting. They have a definite opinion on the matter and it's not much better than what luxons stance is gonna be. that's because mfat is advising them both the same way https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/502336/pro-palestinian-protesters-splash-red-paint-on-us-consulate-mfat-buildings-in-auckland
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Nov 14, 2023 06:47
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It's not clear what advice they've had from MFAT but yeah all the top people there at the moment have been posted in Washington so it wouldn't surprise me if they're giving lovely hawkish advice. Australia is getting ready to call out the genocide and I think we'll see a change of tone here if they do.
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bike tory posted:Australia is getting ready to call out the genocide and I think we'll see a change of tone here if they do. where are you seeing evidence of that? the e.u. has just endorsed israel's insane lies about hospitals, it's hard to see the five eyes countries departing strongly from their position.
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i guess what i'm saying klen is that mfat staff need to stop getting invited to parties... really lay on the pressure
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exmarx posted:where are you seeing evidence of that? the e.u. has just endorsed israel's insane lies about hospitals, it's hard to see the five eyes countries departing strongly from their position. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/12/penny-wong-says-steps-towards-ceasefire-in-israel-hamas-war-cannot-be-one-sided https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/14/anthony-albanese-labor-branch-alp-marrickville-gaza-ceasefire-israel it's still an if, not a when, but they're likely to jump before we do on calling for a ceasefire
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bike tory posted:treaty referendum incoming This is basically american constructionalism in NZ right?
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Looking at the disinformation around the voice vote across the ditch is worrying. On the other hand, it will be a referendum because of Peters and change is a harder sell than the status quo.
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exmarx posted:i guess what i'm saying klen is that mfat staff need to stop getting invited to parties... really lay on the pressure I have never once knowingly invited any employee of MFAT to any party or social gathering. 
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Nov 14, 2023 15:36
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Wayne-o continues to be the biggest wanker alive: https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/301008975/wayne-brown-calls-congestion-charge-consultation-and-equity-bollocks
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Kea got third, stupid national pride and John Oliver.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Wayne-o continues to be the biggest wanker alive: hes 100% right here ftw
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Nov 15, 2023 01:48
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Sphyre posted:hes 100% right here ftw The bit about consultation is about right. Of course if you ask people if they want to pay more $ they will not like it. Consultation in this situation sounds like an excuse to do nothing in the guise of doing what people want (sometimes, what people want isn't always the right decision)
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Congestion charging is a good idea, but doing it the way he's proposing would be loving dumb. It needs to be imposed on all the roads in/out of a certain zone, not just on two specific roads that are busy - that just encourages ratrunning and fucks with public transport.
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Nov 15, 2023 02:25
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Okay issuing a correction on my previous post, John Oliver's interference seems to have saved us from nominating the brown kiwi as bird of the century, so it is in fact a good thing.quote:Australasian crested grebe: 290,374
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The kiwi edging out the kea would be so mind-numbingly middle NZ I would probably have died then and there so you can thank John Oliver for inflicting me on you people for the foreseeable future
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does this mean they're going to stop doing those now
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Conservation efforts benefit from Bird of the Year scandal. Forest and Bird set a new bar by getting JL trolling everyone, but there is still much to do.
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Nov 15, 2023 07:48
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Glad huia made the top 10. I hope JO and his buds gave some money at least and didn't just vote and charge their crystals
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Where do I find the full results? Need to see how many votes the Weka got
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more like wrekta
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