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I don't know what GolfHole was talking about because that scene is chilling. Even being able to psychoanalyze it doesn't strip away the fear element and I get some serious Norman Bates vibes from it. The way it's lit, the way it moves and the layer of ambiguity surrounding it are all very effective, no matter how much psyche 101 rationalization one can use to describe it away. I got similar vibes from the Tony B purgatory scene with Kevin Finnerty. For me, the idea with these scenes is that Tony is this big tough mob boss strong silent type but the things that truly scare him are just fundamental things he'll never truly decide to face in therapy so, of course, they haunt him. Interesting that they never really use his father in these types of sequences too. It's always his mom. And in fairness to Tony, Livia DID try to have him murdered. His dad just gave him a smack in the mouth once in a while.
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Once Tony’s mother dies she only appears like that apparition in his dreams as far as we know. While with his father it seems a lot of the dreams have them both at the same age.
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Pattonesque posted:
I had dreams like this almost every night when I was a kid. It's hard to rewatch.
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Nov 12, 2023 20:51
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Yeah, it's like a sleep paralysis demon.
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Nov 12, 2023 20:53
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Both the dreams at the house remind me of a lot of my nightmares where nothing is explicitly going wrong or scary, but there is just this dark vibe that slowly makes me more and more scared.
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Nov 12, 2023 20:56
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That dream sequence with the stairs begins with another shot that I also find creepy and no one mentions it. For a half second after you see Tony tossing in bed you see a woman’s leg getting out of a car. It was tricky to even get the screenshot. Cuts immediately to the back of Ralphie’s bald head as Tony walks to the house. What is that leg about? It’s easy to forget seeing it as the dream continues. I’ve watched this show too many times.
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Nov 12, 2023 22:39
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On a completely different tangent, I was listening to my iPod on shuffle the other day and Dylan’s “I’m Only Bleeding” played. I’ve loved the song since I was a young kid, but for fifteen years now it’s reminded me of the looks on Tony/Carm’s faces after they’ve bitched out AJ for parking on leaves, and told him he’s not getting another car, and AJ replies “Good. We need to break our dependence on foreign oil.” 
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Ralph Hurley posted:That dream sequence with the stairs begins with another shot that I also find creepy and no one mentions it. For a half second after you see Tony tossing in bed you see a woman’s leg getting out of a car. It was tricky to even get the screenshot. Cuts immediately to the back of Ralphie’s bald head as Tony walks to the house. What is that leg about? It’s easy to forget seeing it as the dream continues. I’ve watched this show too many times. I interpreted this as having something to do with Svetlana as we only see one.
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Pattonesque posted:
mentioned it before but it was only quite recently that i realised it's not holding a handrail, but sliding its hand down the wall and it made it so, so much worse for some reason Jerusalem posted:Somebody pointed out in this thread something I had never noticed before, that it comes down the stairs trailing its fingers along the wall instead of the banister, and somehow that just adds even more to the wrongness of it all. oh it's the least I can do for you 
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Nov 13, 2023 01:37
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ulvir posted:I love how AJ is such a mirror of Tony in his therapy sessions. first he gleefully joins in on beating up the african bicycle courier, and then he cries fake crocodile tears to his therapist just to wash away his guilt I don't really think they were fake. I think he got caught up in group action that felt good at the time, but it's not something he's really comfortable with or would do on his own. Maybe if he kept hanging around with the wrong people and getting jaded to violence it would become normal to him, but I think at that point in his life he still has a conscience. He's a character who's pretty easy to hate, but he's not even close to being one of the worst people on the show.
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Pirate Radar posted:If Sil is having a coma dream at the end, what do you think that’s like? socks full of provolone ruddiger posted:I wish they would’ve showed Chris’ vision of hell. they did, except it was in the Wire and they called it a "detective's wake"
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I don't really think they were fake. I think he got caught up in group action that felt good at the time, but it's not something he's really comfortable with or would do on his own. Maybe if he kept hanging around with the wrong people and getting jaded to violence it would become normal to him, but I think at that point in his life he still has a conscience. He's a character who's pretty easy to hate, but he's not even close to being one of the worst people on the show. He's a tragic character really, because he clearly looks up to his dad and wants to look at him as a role model, and Tony's giving him fuckin' nothing. It's something that I think Jerusalem pointed out a few times in his recaps, there are loads of instances where AJ is clearly watching and learning from Tony, they're just...not good things, and not things that Tony was intending to teach (to the extent that he remembered he had any duties as a father in the first place). That scene towards the end where Tony picks him up from jail is so good; the whole "'it's wrong!' 'what?!'" exchange, you can see Tony realizing in the moment that he forgot to actually raise his son, and AJ was just watching him gently caress around the whole time and thinking it was a cue he was supposed to follow. Just trying to sputter out some hollow fatherly wisdom when it's far too late to make a difference. I don't wanna give AJ too much of a pass here because cmon, you're like 21 or something and you should have learned more than just what your dad taught you by now (although, with the company he'd been around for his entire life, I guess I'm not sure where a good role model is supposed to come from for him) but still, unclean hands all around
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"First of all, your mother does not find out about this"  The look Tony gives AJ says it all; it would be bad for both of them. I can imagine his reconciliation with Carmela essentially being undone by that
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I thought AJ was a really good depiction of just aimless youth. There’s this set social path for rich suburban kids to follow up thru entry level jobs. Then when there’s less expectation they start to come around and figure it out.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I don't really think they were fake. I think he got caught up in group action that felt good at the time, but it's not something he's really comfortable with or would do on his own. Maybe if he kept hanging around with the wrong people and getting jaded to violence it would become normal to him, but I think at that point in his life he still has a conscience. He's a character who's pretty easy to hate, but he's not even close to being one of the worst people on the show. He doesn't gleefully take part in that anyway, he follows the group around but he stands there looking shocked while they lay into the guy. I think that's getting mixed up with the earlier scene where they use acid on the feet of a debtor, which he is thrilled about. The contrast must be intentional but I think the point is the earlier scene he feels like a gangster and the later one he feels like a racist thug, and being a vaguely liberal suburbanite who mostly knows the Mafia from films, he hasn't really connected the dots between his father's world and gratuitously violent ethnic tribalism
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Sinbad's Sex Tape posted:I thought AJ was a really good depiction of just aimless youth. There’s this set social path for rich suburban kids to follow up thru entry level jobs. Then when there’s less expectation they start to come around and figure it out. Peak depiction is AJ sitting at his computer with his shirt off chuckling like a goof at a chat room. (In the modern day update of course, as been mentioned it would be listening to Cum Town.)
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UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST posted:He doesn't gleefully take part in that anyway, he follows the group around but he stands there looking shocked while they lay into the guy. I think that's getting mixed up with the earlier scene where they use acid on the feet of a debtor, which he is thrilled about. The contrast must be intentional but I think the point is the earlier scene he feels like a gangster and the later one he feels like a racist thug, and being a vaguely liberal suburbanite who mostly knows the Mafia from films, he hasn't really connected the dots between his father's world and gratuitously violent ethnic tribalism points taken Dawgstar posted:Peak depiction is AJ sitting at his computer with his shirt off chuckling like a goof at a chat room. who among us has not been sitting in our underwear in front of the computer like that as a teen?
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ulvir posted:points taken I'm still doing it in my mid 30's.
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do pajamas count as underwear
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Pirate Radar posted:If Sil is having a coma dream at the end, what do you think that’s like? Lilyhammer
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God I love Paulie Lines. Johnny Sack dies, everyone is getting ready to make a toast to him, Paulie pops up with "I survived Cancer and it took him out. Ride the painted pony and let the spinning wheel fly. Heh heh."
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There’s a lot of competition, but Paulie has to be the most selfish person on the show. At least the most pettily selfish character.
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Great thread especially liked the episode recaps. Had questions about my favorite storyline with Davey Scatino & his gambling. -would it be fair to assume when we see him at Richie’s card game, he’s already been on a gambling binge for weeks/months and the college fund & any liquid savings are already gone? -Would he have been playing poker at above board casinos before resorting to Richie’s game? Imagining that could be the case as he doesn’t seem infatuated with the mafia lifestyle & it would have more dignity until his credit ran out. -sorry if this has been asked before, but how did his loan with Richie work? Like if it were ballpark $10k, would a five point vig mean $500 a week is tacked on? And Davey couldn’t even pay that in full?
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I don't think he blew the college fund until he was trying to get together almost $100k between his debts to Tony and Richie. But he was struggling prior to that, as seen by his "That envelope's a little light" with a smile bullshit. I don't think it was the mafia lifestyle so much as the allure of something he's not supposed to be doing as well as it being the Executive Game with people like Frank Sinatra Jr. at the table. I think it would also be a bit more difficult to hide a trip to Atlantic City from his wife and kid than hanging out at a hotel for a few hours. "Late payments are tacked onto the principal" means that the $300 he was short on that payment to Richie is now added to the original amount, which means the interest goes up because that's what the vig is based on in the first place.
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crispix posted:mentioned it before but it was only quite recently that i realised it's not holding a handrail, but sliding its hand down the wall and it made it so, so much worse for some reason gently caress another thing that freaks me out about it is that its head is *too big*. weird and elongated
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I still think the reason she's trailing her hand along the wall rather than the railing is because that's where the track for the chairlift would be.
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Ainsley McTree posted:There’s a lot of competition, but Paulie has to be the most selfish person on the show. At least the most pettily selfish character. you’re forgetting Feech and Richie Aprile
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though, Paulie and Vito refusing to pay their shares until they hear that Tony has woken up is never not funny
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ulvir posted:though, Paulie and Vito refusing to pay their shares until they hear that Tony has woken up is never not funny Also Bobby "the good mobster" Bacala being the whiniest, greediest little bitch about getting a cut of some of Eugene's poo poo Sil rules on temporarily.
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To be fair that was mostly Janice. I think that was during her "To be his age and not be a captain" tantrum with Tony.
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ulvir posted:though, Paulie and Vito refusing to pay their shares until they hear that Tony has woken up is never not funny It's super important as well since it's part of the entire thesis - well, one of them - of the series. The Mafia are not what they pretend to be. They pretend to be civilized criminals governed by a strict code of, if not ethics, at least rules and regulations. Modern feudalism. But they're not. They're just predatory criminals and we basically see all the time that at nearly every single opportunity, they cast aside the norms of their organization when it benefits them and they think they can get away with it. Like on the one hand, you can see Tony's hesitance on Vito as kind of a good thing, but it also just is further proof of it. He's willing to try and get away with breaking a rule as important in his chosen culture as 'no gays' because Vito is a good earner. Homosexuality can be tolerated because he is benefiting from it. EDIT: Like the only 'norm' of the Mafia they seem to genuinely treat as sacrosanct is omerta, and I mean obviously you don't get more self-serving and self-beneficiary when you are in a criminal conspiracy than in making sure your co-conspirators keep their mouths shut and making examples of anyone who breaks the oath. RoboChrist 9000 fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I don't think he blew the college fund until he was trying to get together almost $100k between his debts to Tony and Richie. But he was struggling prior to that, as seen by his "That envelope's a little light" with a smile bullshit. Gotcha makes sense thanks. I still like how that arc has peak Artie decision making, leaving a game while he’s ahead then not getting involved with Davey’s finances. Hyrax Attack! fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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I'll touch a wall sometimes when going down stairs, that small point of contact helps me keep my balance as well as a handrail. Apparently this is terrifying ghoul behavior?
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Its straight up Livia, but its still pretty terrifying and cool to ponder
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There's a theme of not knowing both irl and the dreams.
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JethroMcB posted:I'll touch a wall sometimes when going down stairs, that small point of contact helps me keep my balance as well as a handrail. Apparently this is terrifying ghoul behavior? only if you do it ethereally
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I don't think he blew the college fund until he was trying to get together almost $100k between his debts to Tony and Richie. But he was struggling prior to that, as seen by his "That envelope's a little light" with a smile bullshit. Well, you know, he took a second on the house, didn't factor it into his budget. Pope Corky the IX posted:"Late payments are tacked onto the principal" means that the $300 he was short on that payment to Richie is now added to the original amount, which means the interest goes up because that's what the vig is based on in the first place. And it's probably worth noting that whatever interest rate Richie had him on was probably super high. Davey was into Richie for $8000 so probably, what, 800 a week?
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you know regardless of the payoff its still annoying to have to go down to the sports store every week for like 3 months, that's like $50 of gas right there
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The show's pretty bad at picking music, and the one that always kills me the most is using this over the christening of Christopher's kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KgB-sI2H-c
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