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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Jel Shaker posted:

i thought the whole point was to move them from the land so they don’t have a claim to the gas fields, not actually build an island so they’re even closer to the gas fields

its dreaming of an island prison of gas rig slaves

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Seyser Koze
Dec 15, 2013

Mucho Mucho
Nap Ghost

Best Friends posted:

I forget the exact details but America did a really similar story during the invasion of Iraq, where a female soldier under attack was given medical care after the attack by Iraqi bystanders, who tried to also get her back to the Americans. that got turned in to “she was captured by savages but then our brave seals got her back”

Jessica Lynch?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Best Friends posted:

I forget the exact details but America did a really similar story during the invasion of Iraq, where a female soldier under attack was given medical care after the attack by Iraqi bystanders, who tried to also get her back to the Americans. that got turned in to “she was captured by savages but then our brave seals got her back.” She was basically given a series of medals to keep her mouth shut but she couldn’t take it anymore and it was briefly a scandal.

ironically the only thing i remember about her was that she came from an american town called 'Palestine'.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

FuzzySlippers posted:

Most of the combat footage I've seen the Palestinian forces look pretty professional. Everyone moving with purpose and looking competent with their weapons. It seems remarkable how Hamas managed to train so many people in a place so heavily monitored.

Probably did most of their training in buildings or underground

We're pretty far removed from the days of mossad hiding spies everywhere on earth I guess

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp_airstrikes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shati_refugee_camp_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2023_UNRWA_school_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Saint_Porphyrius_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_October_2023_Jabalia_refugee_camp_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_ambulance_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Zaid_school_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Maghazi_refugee_camp_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Buraq_school_airstrike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fakhoora_school_airstrike

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/NoahHurowitz/status/1725349692127498429

Jizzny Princess
Aug 24, 2021

WHILE YOU WERE LEARNING TO SPELL YOUR NAME,
I WAS BEING TRAINED TO CONQUER GALAXIES
UwU
Reports coming in that the premature babies at Al shifa have sadly died.

DTI
DTA

Jizzny Princess has issued a correction as of 22:10 on Nov 17, 2023

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Ytlaya posted:

It's really uncanny, like if someone did a deliberate experiment to produce a country of Literally the Worst People.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Seyser Koze posted:

Jessica Lynch?

yes! That’s the one.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
lol now we know why the germans are crying about erdogans comments he called them
out for having misplaced holocaust guilt

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1725614534344257881?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1725537602143437100

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
Edit out the tweet jizzny, seems like a rule 2 violation

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

WoodrowSkillson posted:

i cannot remember a time this has ever happened

That’s because it hasn’t.

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

Literally on verge of tears right now.

This is too much.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.




This is a hate symbol.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Al-Saqr posted:

lol now we know why the germans are crying about erdogans comments he called them
out for having misplaced holocaust guilt

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1725614534344257881?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already: it's amazing to me that the supposedly intractable dictators that we label our "enemies" see what's happening in Palestine so much clearer than the fossils governing the US. They call this out for what it is while almost no one in D.C (save for Rashida Tlaib and Ihlan Omar) is brave enough to even utter the word "ceasefire".

The same is no doubt true for "leadership" in the UK and Germany as well.

Real Mean Queen
Jun 2, 2004

Zesty.


CheetoVonTito posted:

Ok so this has to completely derail their “Shifa hospital is Hamas hub” claim, because they are at a hospital in the West Bank now. What kind of fetishes is it with the Idf and hospitals?

https://x.com/mayadeenenglish/status/1725345097242312765?s=46

https://x.com/eyeonpalestines/status/1725350673200431154?s=46

On the propaganda front, I think we see this hosed up mirror morality develop sometimes, where you kind of decide that the enemy did something so now you're allowed to do it too, and much worse, because you're fighting fire with fire and they poked the bear or whatever. In this case, it would certainly be horrific if somebody brought a war into a hospital, therefore our horrific enemy has already done so and now we are justified, obligated even, in loving up every hospital we can get our hands on

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
And also God loving dammit dti

Burn Zone
May 22, 2004



Sancho Banana posted:

Edit out the tweet jizzny, seems like a rule 2 violation

the babies are alive in the picture?

also stop being a cop

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already: it's amazing to me that the supposedly intractable dictators that we label our "enemies" see what's happening in Palestine so much clearer than the fossils governing the US. They call this out for what it is while almost no one in D.C (save for Rashida Tlaib and Ihlan Omar) are too cowardly to even say the word "ceasefire".

The same is no doubt true for "leadership" in the UK and Germany as well.

Idk, maybe ask him about Armenia before you hand it to him

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already: it's amazing to me that the supposedly intractable dictators that we label our "enemies" see what's happening in Palestine so much clearer than the fossils governing the US. They call this out for what it is while almost no one in D.C (save for Rashida Tlaib and Ihlan Omar) are too cowardly to even say the word "ceasefire".

The same is no doubt true for "leadership" in the UK and Germany as well.

Enemies? Turkey is the most important country in NATO next to the United States. Erdogan is the intractible dictator that we call an ally.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

DTI but also don't loving do this guys what the gently caress

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

Burn Zone posted:

the babies are alive in the picture?

also stop being a cop

They hand out bans+30 for it, just being safe.

E: misread the post, ignore the sentence that was here before

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
lol remember when they made up the lie about saddam ripping babies out of incubators yet here we are now today with it really happening for real and its done by israel and directly sponsored by america.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Sancho Banana posted:

Edit out the tweet jizzny, seems like a rule 2 violation

that is a photo of babies that were alive at the time, until israel murdered every last one of them

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Burn Zone posted:

the babies are alive in the picture?

also stop being a cop

Posting dying babies next to a tweet about dead babies isn't much better than just posting dead babies dude

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Lazy_Liberal posted:

it is accepted in my Jewish community that while genocides don't always start with us, they always end with us. it's soul shattering how some Jews have used this to justify extreme violence.

This is just an ideology/mindset passed down to people. Being Jewish doesn't inherently lead someone to think like this unless they grow up in a family or attend a synagogue where everyone tells them this is the case. I see this split in my own family - the only Jews in my family who think like this are the ones who grew up regularly attending a synagogue where they were all infused with this mentality. Those of us who didn't aren't like that.

Anecdotally, there also seems to be a socioeconomic element to it. All the Jews in my extended family who think like this (with a big focus on "the need for Jews to protect their own and support Israel") are well-off, and I think this makes people inclined to feel anxiety over things that are more abstract and not directly part of their own "lived experience." Meanwhile, the rest of us are far more concerned about the normal material concerns that afflict most people in our world. Worrying about affording healthcare or losing your job tends to take precedence over "the philosophical concept that Holocaust 2 is inevitable."

It's entirely possible that my experience isn't the norm, but it has lead to me not being particularly sympathetic towards the sort of mindset you describe. I understand it in the older generation, but for most people under the age of like 50-60, this isn't a belief they've naturally arrived at through their own lived experiences.

(Also, as has come up in this thread before, the origins of Zionism have nothing to do with "a response to the Holocaust," with early Zionists even looking down on Holocaust victims. A large part of this mindset has been deliberately promoted by Israel in service of its own goals.)

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


Sancho Banana posted:

Edit out the tweet jizzny, seems like a rule 2 violation

the picture is from a few days ago when they moved the babies to regular hospital beds because the incubators were out of power

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Al-Saqr posted:

lol now we know why the germans are crying about erdogans comments he called them
out for having misplaced holocaust guilt

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1725614534344257881?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Now please don't ask about our good friends in Azerbaijan!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Real Mean Queen posted:

On the propaganda front, I think we see this hosed up mirror morality develop sometimes, where you kind of decide that the enemy did something so now you're allowed to do it too, and much worse, because you're fighting fire with fire and they poked the bear or whatever. In this case, it would certainly be horrific if somebody brought a war into a hospital, therefore our horrific enemy has already done so and now we are justified, obligated even, in loving up every hospital we can get our hands on

If you listen to any Zionist talk about October 7th, they've been constantly gassing each other up with the most lurid tales of rape and gore that you can possibly imagine. There's literally nothing that they can't do to Gaza in their minds.

Jizzny Princess
Aug 24, 2021

WHILE YOU WERE LEARNING TO SPELL YOUR NAME,
I WAS BEING TRAINED TO CONQUER GALAXIES
UwU

Sancho Banana posted:

Edit out the tweet jizzny, seems like a rule 2 violation

I edited it, but the picture in the tweet was from when the babies were alive and they were put on beds trying to keep them alive back when the incubators could no longer be used.

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

Lazy_Liberal posted:

it is accepted in my Jewish community that while genocides don't always start with us, they always end with us. it's soul shattering how some Jews have used this to justify extreme violence.

Good news for the people in rwanda, no Jewish people involved. Didn't count!

Real Mean Queen
Jun 2, 2004

Zesty.


Al-Saqr posted:

lol remember when they made up the lie about saddam ripping babies out of incubators yet here we are now today with it really happening for real and its done by israel and directly sponsored by america.

Actually it's the good guys doing it now so it's different

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

If you listen to any Zionist talk about October 7th, they've been constantly gassing each other up with the most lurid tales of rape and gore that you can possibly imagine. There's literally nothing that they can't do to Gaza in their minds.

Yeah exactly, it's like this weird Punisher morality where you get to do whatever you want as long as you establish first that you are the antihero that has been pushed to this point instead of a human being making a series of horrific decisions

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

Real Mean Queen posted:

it's like this weird Punisher morality

lol I've seen a ton of pictures both from the current conflict and in the past that show IDF helmets with punisher stickers

Cookie Cutter
Nov 29, 2020

Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

RIP to the Jewish community in North Korea, wiped out by US germ weapons and napalm

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Real Mean Queen posted:

Actually it's the good guys doing it now so it's different

Yeah exactly, it's like this weird Punisher morality where you get to do whatever you want as long as you establish first that you are the antihero that has been pushed to this point instead of a human being making a series of horrific decisions

Death Wish would be a better example. Frank Castle actually has standards.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Good news for the people in rwanda, no Jewish people involved. Didn't count!

You don’t know what the Interhamwe is plotting!!

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

FuzzySlippers posted:

Most of the combat footage I've seen the Palestinian forces look pretty professional. Everyone moving with purpose and looking competent with their weapons. It seems remarkable how Hamas managed to train so many people in a place so heavily monitored.

when your enemy will erase you from the sky without warning if they get a hint you're resisting them you prob get good at not giving hints

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Real Mean Queen posted:

Yeah exactly, it's like this weird Punisher morality where you get to do whatever you want as long as you establish first that you are the antihero that has been pushed to this point instead of a human being making a series of horrific decisions

They think all this hospital poo poo is going easy on Gaza. Like it's more than they deserve.

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HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

War Monitor
⚡️Netanyahu to NPR: "It is necessary to make a cultural change in Gaza similar to the change that occurred in Germany and Japan"

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