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What gets me going ??? is that RTD stated that Liberation of the Daleks, the DWM comic story that went on for all of last year, was the canonical post-regeneration story for Fourteen, and its ending leads directly into this, and here he is talking about canon like ??? (Also Liberation kinda sucked)
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That was tremendously fun. My first thought was,"Hey, that's like the claw from the original design that was too expensive to produce!" and then everything just got better and better from there 
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Nov 18, 2023 00:15
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armpit_enjoyer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfLtAdSgWPQ "I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry."
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Nov 18, 2023 00:24
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Already seen at least one person mortally offended by it. "Vandalizing Genesis of the Daleks". Get the gently caress out of here. I particularly liked when the Doctor even says this is messing up the timelines and canon, showing RTD knew exactly who this would upset.
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Nov 18, 2023 00:28
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Wolfechu posted:Already seen at least one person mortally offended by it. "Vandalizing Genesis of the Daleks". Davros building a Dalek before surviving the bombing throws a lot of really good material off. But it was fun so who cares.
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Nov 18, 2023 00:42
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Wolfechu posted:Already seen at least one person mortally offended by it. "Vandalizing Genesis of the Daleks". Jesus Christ, Internet. It's a four-minute comedy special for charity.
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Nov 18, 2023 00:49
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Timby posted:Jesus Christ, Internet. It's a four-minute comedy special for charity. Same kind of people who thought Curse of Fatal Death was 'wasting' regenerations, I assume
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Nov 18, 2023 00:55
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armpit_enjoyer posted:What gets me going ??? is that RTD stated that Liberation of the Daleks, the DWM comic story that went on for all of last year, was the canonical post-regeneration story for Fourteen, and its ending leads directly into this, and here he is talking about canon like ??? Also apparently that whole story happened in an hour?
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Nov 18, 2023 00:57
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That was fun. Also guess that the implication is that the next episode won't follow on immediately from the moment of regeneration but have a bit of a gap. Edit: oh I just read the quotes post above, never mind. Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Nov 18, 2023 |
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Nov 18, 2023 00:58
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That’s what it reminded me of. Lower Decks! Being playfully funny with continuity and fan references while still telling a story. Good, liked it. Bring back Mawaan as a companion.
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Nov 18, 2023 01:00
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Random Stranger posted:Davros building a Dalek before surviving the bombing throws a lot of really good material off. But it was fun so who cares.
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Nov 18, 2023 01:44
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Random Stranger posted:Davros building a Dalek before surviving the bombing throws a lot of really good material off. But it was fun so who cares. I'm surprised I've not seen more discussion of this but RTD has said that this is Davros going forward now as a permanent change. They wanted to get away from portraying someone disabled/scarred as evil. Personally if this was a show aimed at adults I'd feel that was a little silly but seeing as it's a kids show, and that the change happened in a Children in Need special, I think it's great. Wibbly, wobbly.
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Nov 18, 2023 02:07
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Delightful stuff. More of that please!
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Nov 18, 2023 02:20
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm surprised I've not seen more discussion of this but RTD has said that this is Davros going forward now as a permanent change. Where did he say this? I'm curious
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Nov 18, 2023 02:25
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Davros1 posted:Where did he say this? I'm curious Sorry, he says it in Doctor Who Unleashed on iPlayer, the new behind the scenes show and he has commented on it on Instagram.
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Nov 18, 2023 02:27
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It's a drat good idea and one of those "why didn't anyone think of it sooner" moments, especially as regards a time travel show. Had my doubts at first but really drat glad he's back.
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Nov 18, 2023 03:16
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm surprised I've not seen more discussion of this but RTD has said that this is Davros going forward now as a permanent change. They wanted to get away from portraying someone disabled/scarred as evil. Hm. On the one hand, I like the thematic and visual connection between creator and creation. But the depiction of disability as a sign of villainy has been a concern about Davros for a while. Right now I think I like the old design better, but I'm not going to get upset about it, especially if RTD is trying to wipe things a bit clean for a more accessible show.
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Nov 18, 2023 03:59
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Initial thoughts: I liked it! Was very fun and definitely a children in need thing. Also seeing shades of the 13th doctor in there was great. A nice little bit of fluff. - 8.7/10
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Nov 18, 2023 04:06
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Random Stranger posted:Hm. On the one hand, I like the thematic and visual connection between creator and creation. But the depiction of disability as a sign of villainy has been a concern about Davros for a while. Right now I think I like the old design better, but I'm not going to get upset about it, especially if RTD is trying to wipe things a bit clean for a more accessible show. It's not just Davros, either. The number of disfigured and disabled villains in the series is pretty high. Sharaz Jek, Magnus Creel, the Master, hell even Morbius. And it's almost always their disfigurement is a result of their own hubris, or it's what made them evil to start with. Probably no more so than any other media that's been going this long - it's rife in things like 2000ad too - but it still rears its head in the new series now and then. I think it's a positive change the way RTD is talking about it, and there's nothing to stop them bringing back post-accident Davros any time they feel like it.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:16
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Right, it was very much a staple of science fiction for decades, as a clear signifier of hubris / "he tampered in God's domain" / technology gone mad or whatnot, and it's not like it was intentionally malicious in all cases, but the field has moved on and there's so much more to explore. It's like RTD's stated approach toward the "Timeless Child" business, you don't have to feel tethered by precedent or cliche or "canon" (a noxious concept, to be frank), especially in a series with time travel and gleeful, casual paradox as central elements.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:23
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Whenever somebody complains about canon/time travel in Doctor Who, they should just hire Matt Smith to do a PSA where he asks the fans if they're familiar with a particular analogy, confirms that they are, then notes that it's nothing like that.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:33
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Yep. In the simplest terms possible, ask yourself: IS the Doctor half human on his mother's side? If you're honest, your answer to that question should be your lodestone to your approach to "canon" in general.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:37
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The Davros design is so iconic, I wonder if they'll tweak it to make it accoutrements to Davros instead of a result of a disability. Like his chariot becomes a vehicle he travels in, and he can wear a headress that amplifies his vision and hearing. And he dons a metal gauntlet that allows him to shoot electricity
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Nov 18, 2023 04:38
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Entirely plausible and easy enough to make into an allegory for current circumstances. Hell yes I Neuralink'd myself, I'm the genius inventor of Daleks, why wouldn't I. Stairs are such a normie concept, why I bet they won't even exist in 10 years.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:43
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:Entirely plausible and easy enough to make into an allegory for current circumstances. Hell yes I Neuralink'd myself, I'm the genius inventor of Daleks, why wouldn't I. Stairs are such a normie concept, why I bet they won't even exist in 10 years. Daleks fly away, and Davros is just left standing there. Get him a hover chariot.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:46
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Wolfechu posted:It's not just Davros, either. The number of disfigured and disabled villains in the series is pretty high. Sharaz Jek, Magnus Creel, the Master, hell even Morbius. And it's almost always their disfigurement is a result of their own hubris, or it's what made them evil to start with. Oh absolutely, it's an old trope that gets dragged out a lot and it shouldn't be used like it has been. With Davros, though, it provides a visual design tie with the Daleks that I think is significant and just because the use of something as a common trope is harmful doesn't mean that all instances of it must be scrubbed. But it's not a big deal and if RTD wants to do a soft reboot of some of the rougher Doctor Who elements and just roll with a new version of the show, cool. Long running franchises often benefit from that kind of shake up.
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Nov 18, 2023 04:48
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Hmm, I totally understand the reasoning for reimaging Davros, but honestly the old look is so memorable that it's going time to warm up to 'just a guy'. Hopefully they can bring in some elements of the old design like the robot glove or something.
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Nov 18, 2023 05:35
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Davros1 posted:Daleks fly away, and Davros is just left standing there. Get him a hover chariot. I'm thinking...a nice red sled, pulled by eight different varieties of Dalek...
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I am cool with ditching the nastier elements of the Davros design, but I'd like there to be something there to bridge the gap to the new design. He could still be rocking the metal glove or have that proto-Dalek third eye headdress without him being blind (although he wasn't blind in The Witch's Familiar, his eyes were just kind of... atrophied?).
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Lottery of Babylon posted:A show about a newsman who gets cancelled because he's recorded saying something that sounds bad out of context if you don't know that his best friend is a pedophile but is actually completely okay to say because his best friend is a pedophile but he can't explain this to the public because he needs to protect his best friend, the pedophile Yeah, that's a good point (linking this to the premise of Moffat's Inside Man). You really get the sense that he's got a lot of anxiety about being targeted for something in ways he feels would be unfair.
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Nov 18, 2023 05:39
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I always thought it was so interesting that while Davros thought so highly of the daleks, even as his body deteriorated he never became one himself
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Nov 18, 2023 05:40
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At this point in NuWho, the universe has been rewritten like what, three or four times already? Whether someone likes RTD's approach to the show or not (I pretty much don't), arguing about DW "canon" (or whether a character looks radically different from when they first appeared in the classic series), when every season seems to end on a reality-warping threat, is completely pointless.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I always thought it was so interesting that while Davros thought so highly of the daleks, even as his body deteriorated he never became one himself I've not watched enough of the classic series to realize that Davros was supposed to be disabled/injured. I thought it was more that he had far exceeded how long he should have lived, and was clinging onto existence through bitterness and embracing all the Dalek tech he could without completely giving himself over to it.
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Nov 18, 2023 05:47
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David's Birthday RTD on Davros "When the world changes, Doctor Who has to change as well."
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Nov 18, 2023 05:50
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As someone with a close relative who is disabled, I don't mind RTD making this change.
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Nov 18, 2023 05:58
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I'm disabled and I super appreciate it. Not mobility disabled mind, but there's solidary there and normalizing this kind of thing is good for everybody.
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Speaking as someone with a disability I hate this idea that disabled people can't be villains (or "evil", in Davies' words). That sucks. I get that there's a bigotry inherent to the character -- alterations to human body = scary stories for reactionaries -- but I think the character transcends anything that simplistic by virtue of being the focus of several nuanced and interesting takes over the years. I think meaningful progress is about writing towards nuance and complexity, rather than restricting characters to decorous and contemporary "taste" (again, Davies' words). Not that it's exactly what's happening here, given it's a story about the guy before his accident. But, still, gently caress restricting representations to model minorities.
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It seems like a good change. The comments on YouTube there seem to hate it though so I worry it'll become a canard to criticise RTD's work with, "he's making the show too PC" or that kinda thing. Not that I don't think he or the show can weather it, it's just annoying. But gently caress 'em! The element of the new design I particularly like is the bringing back of the Genesis-esque "I Can't Believe They're Not Nazi Stormtrooper" uniforms. It's nice to really emphasise that Davros' perspective was/is a fascistic one, even before the rest of his people got welded into the pepperpots.
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lines posted:It seems like a good change. The comments on YouTube there seem to hate it though so I worry it'll become a canard to criticise RTD's work with, "he's making the show too PC" or that kinda thing. Not that I don't think he or the show can weather it, it's just annoying. But gently caress 'em! So if those people will poo poo on anything for the crime of, like, having a woman in it, you might as well go for broke. In for a penny, in for a pound.
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Here's another frustration I have with it: instead of acknowledging that Davros should have gone to a wheelchair user (or, let's be fair here, a vision impaired actor) we're now facing a situation where Davros will continue to be played by an non-disabled actor. Additionally, Davies is essentially making the argument that villains should only be played by non-disabled actors, so to avoid the association of disability with evil. Which sucks if the intention is to open up greater opportunities for wheelchair users, the vision impaired, etc. Speaking as someone who's losing his sight ("My vision is impaired, I cannot see." har har) playing a villain is loving great, and people like me should have the opportunity to do so in ways that are meaningful to us and our lived experience.
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