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Every scene with Debbie is so loving sad. How the gently caress does she find a happy ending out of all this?
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^^^ Like her support group buddy said, it takes time. pik_d posted:Is Nolan gonna Vegeta those bug people? Depending on what era of Vegeta you mean, yes. Admin Edit: Added spoiler tags to the entire post because I have no idea what is a spoiler and this was reported as such, sorry if it aint, sorry if it was.
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Nov 17, 2023 07:55
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Takes No Damage posted:^^^ I have never been to a 12 step like program so maybe this is reading into things. But did it seem like he was hitting on her? He seemed like kind of a terrible person before he name dropped his ex but then he casually breaks the first rule of their group, huge red flag. In the end he lacks the brain power to realize Nolan is her abuser and goes off in a huff. Low class dude.
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Nov 17, 2023 08:09
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I can see it looking that way, what with him inviting her over to a bar as a group and then they're the only ones who show up... But the story does cram a bunch of coincidences in there to set up that final confrontation, I can see it feeling rushed. Also c'mon Deb, you go to a support group for spouses of dead superheroes and don't imagine you being married to the world's leading murderer of superheroes might get awkward? Also, still laughing at the 'Oh they're about to bone down? Uhh, let's go follow these characters for a while.' Comic does it exactly the same way.
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Nov 17, 2023 08:26
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everydayfalls posted:I have never been to a 12 step like program so maybe this is reading into things. But did it seem like he was hitting on her? He seemed like kind of a terrible person before he name dropped his ex but then he casually breaks the first rule of their group, huge red flag. In the end he lacks the brain power to realize Nolan is her abuser and goes off in a huff. Low class dude. Maybe? He could have just been trying to help her open up given how he comments on being in a similar position until recently. I don't really think "Hey, want to hear me talk about my dead wife?" is really part of the standard pickup, though. While I don't think he handled the situation well at all, I could see how, from his point of view, Debbie didn't "lose" anything given Mark and Nolan both survived while Green Ghost is still dead.
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Nov 17, 2023 12:16
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Speaking of suspicious: who the gently caress decided to invite this random weirdo to the Guardians hideout? Immortal you are not running a tight ship at all. Also stop loving your coworkers that's inappropriate!
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Nov 17, 2023 12:17
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I, for one, believe in our good friend Hugh Man.
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Nov 17, 2023 12:22
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Maybe this gets explained later, but how has the Coalition actually survived this long? They have 0 defense against Viltrumites, who can just show up in their territory and kick the poo poo out of their best solider on a whim. Why do the Viltrumites even need a mole? Just topple the whole thing straight up.
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Nov 17, 2023 14:51
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Also, as a show only person, is Thaedus just straight up a Viltrumite? Is there a third race that looks just like humans and he happens to also be the mole? (Comic readers, I don't actually want this answered)
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Nov 17, 2023 14:59
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everydayfalls posted:I have never been to a 12 step like program so maybe this is reading into things. But did it seem like he was hitting on her? He seemed like kind of a terrible person before he name dropped his ex but then he casually breaks the first rule of their group, huge red flag. In the end he lacks the brain power to realize Nolan is her abuser and goes off in a huff. Low class dude. I dunno, I think its completely normal for a person to not want to interact with the person who was the wife of the person that brutally murdered his girlfriend.
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Nov 17, 2023 15:04
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GunnerJ posted:Maybe this gets explained later, but how has the Coalition actually survived this long? They have 0 defense against Viltrumites, who can just show up in their territory and kick the poo poo out of their best solider on a whim. Why do the Viltrumites even need a mole? Just topple the whole thing straight up. It's explained in the comics so I assume it will be covered in the show. I've been re-reading the comics and boy the TV show crams a lot of plot into each episode. Not a bad thing just jarring in contrast. Seance Dog was a fun and timely update from Science Dog in the comics.
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Nov 17, 2023 15:06
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It does get explained. Probably at the end of this or the next block.Chinston Wurchill posted:It's explained in the comics so I assume it will be covered in the show. It's central to the entire plot, I don't see how they can avoid it. Collateral fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Nov 17, 2023 |
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I dunno, I think its completely normal for a person to not want to interact with the person who was the wife of the person that brutally murdered his girlfriend. I mean sure don’t invite her to bar time anymore, but he broke the rule of the group. Then at the end he is the one that threatens her with violence. It’s just a weird interaction all around.
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Thanks for the clarification!pik_d posted:Also, as a show only person, is Thaedus just straight up a Viltrumite? Is there a third race that looks just like humans and he happens to also be the mole? (Comic readers, I don't actually want this answered) This was my guess too, tbh, when trying to think of an explanation for my own question. (No one needs to fill in this blank either.)
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Nov 17, 2023 15:21
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GunnerJ posted:Maybe this gets explained later, but how has the Coalition actually survived this long? They have 0 defense against Viltrumites, who can just show up in their territory and kick the poo poo out of their best solider on a whim. Why do the Viltrumites even need a mole? Just topple the whole thing straight up. My (non-book reader pls don't spoil) theory is that the limit of Viltrumite power is a numbers game. Only so many survived the unification and they aren't or can't make more. Viltrumite occupation is one rear end in a top hat who can wreck your whole planet's poo poo if you don't do what they say. Like maybe if your species is tuned to live for 100,000 years it takes 15,000 to hit puberty and get your powers. If so Mark inheriting is doubly special: not only was he a successful powered up crossbreed (which seems unique so far) but also the equivalent of humans figuring a way to hatch fully grown adult humans from fruit fly eggs. It makes Earth (and it's location) the most important secret in the universe.
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Nov 17, 2023 16:50
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Aces High posted:It can not be stated enough how amazing the casting choices for this series are The world's biggest asterisk for Jason Mantzoukas on this one.
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Nov 17, 2023 16:51
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Maybe it's been so long since season 1 that I'm not remembering correctly (I'll have to go back and rewatch i guess) but Mantzoukas sounds like he's really toned down his Mantzoukas-ness for Rex this season. I think a lot of the voice acting is pretty good regardless though, in my experience on-screen actors don't usually do as well with it.
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Nov 17, 2023 17:17
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Yeah I've been enjoying Rex/Mantzoukas this season, at least.
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GunnerJ posted:Maybe this gets explained later, but how has the Coalition actually survived this long? They have 0 defense against Viltrumites, who can just show up in their territory and kick the poo poo out of their best solider on a whim. Why do the Viltrumites even need a mole? Just topple the whole thing straight up. I'm guessing the Viltrumites allow it to live to get useful information from the mole. So for any planets they really want, the coalition invites them in, they're weaknesses are discovered and that gets passed on to the Viltrumites.
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mastajake posted:Yeah I've been enjoying Rex/Mantzoukas this season, at least. I didn’t love his casting at first but I have to admit he kinda works in the role now
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Nov 17, 2023 18:31
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Cojawfee posted:I'm guessing the Viltrumites allow it to live to get useful information from the mole. So for any planets they really want, the coalition invites them in, they're weaknesses are discovered and that gets passed on to the Viltrumites. This would make sense if the Viltrumites needed a scheme like that, but I don't see it. How valuable, really, is info about target weakness to them? Nothing we've seen so far (besides, very recently and very clearly freaking them the gently caress out, the power of complex father-son emotions) has been shown to beat a Viltrumite; subtlety and planning around enemy weaknesses is for villains with vulnerabilities they have to cover for. My first guess was honestly that they just don't care about the Coalition: it's not worth altering their timetable of conquest for some pompous alliance that doesn't stand any better chance of resisting them than anyone else. That makes more sense to me than that the Coalition is some major asset to them.
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everydayfalls posted:I mean sure don’t invite her to bar time anymore, but he broke the rule of the group. Then at the end he is the one that threatens her with violence. It’s just a weird interaction all around. I imagine this is exactly why the no full names and identities rule is in place; because super heroes go crazy/get possessed or whatever else and kill each other frequently and it'd drag a lot of bad blood into the circle to constantly be sniping at each other about how your spouse was too much of a loser to fight off alien mind control and got everyone killed.
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Nov 18, 2023 01:01
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I'm so interested in Debbie's journey. Its all presented so well with no bs
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Nov 18, 2023 04:19
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GateOfD posted:I'm so interested in Debbie's journey. Its all presented so well with no bs Interested in what they do with her as well. Character work is what's being improved the most from the comics. All the big action beats are going to be there but they're moving stuff around so that things make a lot more sense. Amber is an actual person now rather than just Hot GirlfriendTM, and having his friend be gay from the start makes him worrying so much about that guy that got kidnapped at college flow a lot better. He does come out towards the end of the comic but Mark is just 'Oh OK, cool.' and it's never brought up again 
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Nov 18, 2023 05:25
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Mark was "ok cool" eventually, but initially it freaked him out, it was Eve that was just like "oh, huh, that explains a lot" right from the moment William came out of the closet (I think she walks in on him with a guy?). To really put into perspective the era the comics were written in, when William first finds out Mark is Invincible, he insists that he take him flying and the panel with them in the air has a William that is pleased as punch, and a frustrated Mark saying "this is so gay". This joke gets repeated again when William finds out that Eve is Atom Eve, insists SHE take him flying, and this time she is the one saying "this is so gay"
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Nov 18, 2023 07:08
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Eve being Atom Eve feels like it shouldn't be something that needs to be revealed unless you've just never heard of her before or seen her face. I wonder if there's a Superman-esque explanation for how no one recognizes her or Nolan as civilians.
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Takes No Damage posted:Interested in what they do with her as well. Character work is what's being improved the most from the comics. The Debbie subplot here is better than in the comics imo. In the comics she just becomes an alcoholic for a bit, getting blackout drunk and passing out on the couch for Mark to find. This isn't a spoiler since that subplot has been wholly replaced and doesn't make sense to add after this point in the story. The way its constructed in the show makes for a better pacing fit since there's less 'mark fights a guy and comes home' stories in the show when compared to the comics.
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Nov 18, 2023 07:35
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I think the biggest change there is changing what Nolan says when he's ranting at Mark. In the show he says that he considers Debbie more of a pet, something he never got close to saying in the same moment in the comic. Though with that said, was the audio from what Nolan and Mark were saying to each other broadcast to the world? Or did Cecil keep that contained to just those in the room + the Guardians? If that did go public, Mr. Green Ghost looks like even more of an rear end in a top hat, not that he needs help with that. I hope we see Olga again so that Debbie can tell her about that bullshit. Even when Nolan was still around and being insidious, Debbie continued supporting Olga, so I think it's fair to say that not all of the group would share the same feeling of anger towards Debbie as proxy for how they feel about Nolan and all of his actions.
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Aces High posted:I think the biggest change there is changing what Nolan says when he's ranting at Mark. In the show he says that he considers Debbie more of a pet, something he never got close to saying in the same moment in the comic. nope  this was early in the mark/nolan fight btw
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I wonder if there's a Superman-esque explanation for how no one recognizes her or Nolan as civilians. The explanation is Because Comics. Same way Mark can fly around an active college campus in street clothes or practice landing in his own back yard for hours and ain't nobody saw nothin'.
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also this is the gist of the whole Debbie arc we 'missed' the show's version is better
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Eve being Atom Eve feels like it shouldn't be something that needs to be revealed unless you've just never heard of her before or seen her face. Eve says to Mark early on that it's a psychological effect: if you don't expect to see a superhero at your school, you just don't see one. Of course, her name makes that a bit harder, since someone is bound to think "Huh, my classmate 'Eve' sure looks exactly like this famous person also named 'Eve'"
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I like the Viltrumite with the knife braided into her hair. I like to imagine other Viltrumites take the piss out of her behind her back for trying too hard to be cool. It could make for some fun fight sequences if she ends up in a situation where she'd actually need to use it.
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Good Citizen posted:nope dang, I remember it having such a punch in the show, I had thought it was new dialogue. It's such a striking line too, I don't know how I forgot that line over two reads of the series Then again, I remember when I was a kid, reading Lord of the Rings after Fellowship came out and feeling no emotional connection when the Balrog appears. J.K. Simmons and Ian McKellen just brought something to the lines, I guess
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Aces High posted:dang, I remember it having such a punch in the show, I had thought it was new dialogue. It's such a striking line too, I don't know how I forgot that line over two reads of the series I think it's because of the prior line. In the show the prior clause in that line is "I do love your mother, but" which makes it seem like he's going to say something positive which makes the pet comparison more jarring and upsetting. In the comic he's basically just saying "These fleshy weak things have no real use except for breeding viltrumites and keeping as a pet" which is a much more standard evil monolog. Also just going from the words on the page Gandalf is basically listing allocades (I am the keeper of the sacred flame etc) and just telling the balrog to gently caress off. Being all "You aren't invited, I've got a phd in magic. Go away." Hence that dialog working only with the delivery because McKellen sells it and makes it hit harder. Also from one of those joke meme videos (this meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOx7gFwE1oU) I learned that one of Gandalf's people's powers is basically speaking natural laws into existence, so he's not just trash talking the Balrog, it could be seen as him enacting something that prevents the Balrog from crossing the bridge at all beyond just breaking it. "You shall not pass" is a statement of fact because Gandalf said it, as far as I understand that idea. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 18, 2023 |
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I haven't read the comic, but just based on that panel the show has more "oomph" because in the comic he is just stating facts, while in the show he says something along the lines of "I love your mother... but, like a pet" and sounds somewhat ashamed of himself. ^^ yeah that
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The space fight was cool in that the sound effects were very muted (obviously no sound in space). But those Viltrumites need to work on their interrogation techniques. Seems they lost patience too fast and it didn't seem like they got any information out of Allen.
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Good Citizen posted:also this is the gist of the whole Debbie arc we 'missed' This reminds me how much I hate how American comics bold certain words characters speak. Makes for such a difficult flow when reading. Anyway new episode was really good!
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Panfilo posted:The space fight was cool in that the sound effects were very muted (obviously no sound in space). But those Viltrumites need to work on their interrogation techniques. Seems they lost patience too fast and it didn't seem like they got any information out of Allen. My theory is that Viltrumites aren't actually all that wise. After all, they thought the great purge was a good idea. They made cool science advances, but common sense? Not so much. They rely so much on brute strength that their tactical minds have atrophied to nothing.
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The viltrumites seem like any advanced race in any sci-fi. They are complete douchebags, are dumb as poo poo, and can't understand why everyone else just doesn't submit to them.
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